When will Democrats stop killing unarmed black Americans?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Glad to know where you stand:
--Opinions IB doesn't agree with = lies
--Judgement should be surpressed

Welcome to the gulag!

YOUR 'opinions', 'hypotheses' and 'suppositions' have been revealed as lies and should be ignored! The MSM created the gulag wherein you exist, and you are but a Kool-Aid drinking trustee who has swilled to excess, Old-goaT.

Let the legal system run its course without interjecting your biased 'hypotheses', 'opinions' and 'suppositions'.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

YOUR 'opinions', 'hypotheses' and 'suppositions' have been revealed as lies and should be ignored! The MSM created the gulag wherein you exist, and you are but a Kool-Aid drinking trustee who has swilled to excess, Old-goaT.

Ignore the man behind the curtain! How appropriate you use an OZ-sentiment, IB. Have you read a bio of Frank Baum? Quite an interesting fellow; I think you and he would have a lot to talk about. I actually lived down the street from his family for a while.

Are you really so scared of my opinions? If they are as far fetched as you claim, what is the harm in others hearing them? They couldn't possibly believe my words, could they? No, you reek of the same stench as any petty despot--right or left. Ignore the man behind the curtain! Only listen to IB's propaganda! Rip out the tongue of anyone who disagrees with IB--most especially anyone who points out his Communistic thought control preferences. Remenber, according to IB judgment is bad! Big Brother knows what you should believe. IB will tell you what to believe. Trust Ol' IB and he will set you free!

That's what I love about this board: logical, unemotional dialogue by a person who always keeps his/her calm. There are so many problems with your post I don't know where to begin, but it is at least humorous on an otherwise gloomy Monday. I guess I truly did hit a nerve about your Communist tendencies; I should have noticed it earlier but I admit I was laughing (at you) too much.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Is Old-T an alternate handle for WTF who doesn't understand what a red herring argument is?

OMG!! After all the yelling WTF and I have done at each other over the years you think he & I are the same! Wow. No, WTF and I are most assuredly not the same, but occasionally we find that there are more extreme folks we both disagree with.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Ignore the man behind the curtain! How appropriate you use an OZ-sentiment, IB. Have you read a bio of Frank Baum? Quite an interesting fellow; I think you and he would have a lot to talk about. I actually lived down the street from his family for a while.

Are you really so scared of my opinions? If they are as far fetched as you claim, what is the harm in others hearing them? They couldn't possibly believe my words, could they? No, you reek of the same stench as any petty despot--right or left. Ignore the man behind the curtain! Only listen to IB's propaganda! Rip out the tongue of anyone who disagrees with IB--most especially anyone who points out his Communistic thought control preferences. Remenber, according to IB judgment is bad! Big Brother knows what you should believe. IB will tell you what to believe. Trust Ol' IB and he will set you free!

That's what I love about this board: logical, unemotional dialogue by a person who always keeps his/her calm. There are so many problems with your post I don't know where to begin, but it is at least humorous on an otherwise gloomy Monday. I guess I truly did hit a nerve about your Communist tendencies; I should have noticed it earlier but I admit I was laughing (at you) too much.

Enumerated above are four attempts (not counting this deflecting BS you are now posting) by you to mischaracterize the facts and distort the truth; hence, you are a liar. You've been exposed as an inveterate liar.

[nwarounder]

Omg, glad I don't live in Florida! I can almost hear the riots gathering now. The PA announced she is not sending the case to a grand jury, and the request has been withdrawn. But she did say that they would continue to investigate it, haha, yea right.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Enumerated above are four attempts by you to mischaracterize the facts and distort the truth; hence, you are a liar. You've been exposed as an inveterate liar.

You really can't read and comprehend, can you?

"Distort the truth" = "Disagree with IB". Got it! Carry on, Comrade.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

You really can't read and comprehend, can you?

"Distort the truth" = "Disagree with IB". Got it! Carry on, Comrade.

You made statements contrary to known facts; by definition, you are distorting and lying -- that is NOT a mere difference of opinion. You and the MSM present your distortions as 'proof' to support your biases: you are the one's subverting and/or suppressing the truth.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Omg, glad I don't live in Florida! I can almost hear the riots gathering now. The PA announced she is not sending the case to a grand jury, and the request has been withdrawn. But she did say that they would continue to investigate it, haha, yea right.

Of course they will investigate! Sure, and the Tooth Fairy will lead it.
I served on grand juries in Florida--in that part of Florida. The level of proof to get an indictment was something like: "Is there a dead body?" Check. "Is there a reason to believe this defendant was involved?" Check. "OK, take it to trial". Unless the potential defendant was connected to LE in some way. The corruption in the legal system of Florida hasn't changed a lot since the 1870s, and this is another example.

I was hoping this would at least get to trial; after that I assumed the jury system would give it as fair a hearing as could be done, whether Zimmerman was found innocent or guilty. Sadly this does not surprise me: the Good Ol' Boy system ensures it won't see the light of day. There will be some bile about "Trust us, we looked at the facts and we know what we are doing". Had a grand jury gotten the case and decided not to indict I would take that as a very strong statement that the case against Zimmerman was very weak. But to not bring the case to the GJ is the equivalent of a pocket veto and reeks of closed door smoke filled room deals.

Racism is alive and well in central Florida, but I don't know enough about this case to know if that is the underlying reason. I sincerely hope that is not what is at work here. If I had to guess it is more likely the Thin Blue Line taking care of its extended family. It is near impossible to get an indictment if LE doesn't show for the grand jury proceedings. Again, if there really was no substantial case against Zimmerman the right approach--and least politically painful one--would be to take it to the GJ and let them toss it out. That way it is the "people" saying so, not one part of the legal system passing closed door judgement on itself. Not taking it to the GJ screams that the DA was afraid there would be a incitement handed down.

If they were honest, many of the posters on here would be livid, yelling for a true, open, and honest examination of what happened. Any bets?

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You made statements contrary to known facts; by definition, you are distorting and lying -- that is NOT a mere difference of opinion. You and the MSM present your distortions as 'proof' to support your biases: you are the one's subverting and/or suppressing the truth.

You really can't read and comprehend, can you? What "Truth" am I suppressing?

"Distort the truth" = "Disagree with IB". Got it! Carry on, Comrade.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

"Distort the truth" = "Disagree with IB". Got it! Carry on, Comrade.

Old-goaT, your posts in this thread have been nothing more than judgmental lies and suppositional distortions -- that is NOT a mere difference of opinion.

[CuteOldGuy]

Man, I hate it when my suppository is distorted.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Of course they will investigate! Sure, and the Tooth Fairy will lead it.
I served on grand juries in Florida--in that part of Florida. The level of proof to get an indictment was something like: "Is there a dead body?" Check. "Is there a reason to believe this defendant was involved?" Check. "OK, take it to trial". Unless the potential defendant was connected to LE in some way. The corruption in the legal system of Florida hasn't changed a lot since the 1870s, and this is another example.

I was hoping this would at least get to trial; after that I assumed the jury system would give it as fair a hearing as could be done, whether Zimmerman was found innocent or guilty. Sadly this does not surprise me: the Good Ol' Boy system ensures it won't see the light of day. There will be some bile about "Trust us, we looked at the facts and we know what we are doing". Had a grand jury gotten the case and decided not to indict I would take that as a very strong statement that the case against Zimmerman was very weak. But to not bring the case to the GJ is the equivalent of a pocket veto and reeks of closed door smoke filled room deals.

Racism is alive and well in central Florida, but I don't know enough about this case to know if that is the underlying reason. I sincerely hope that is not what is at work here. If I had to guess it is more likely the Thin Blue Line taking care of its extended family. It is near impossible to get an indictment if LE doesn't show for the grand jury proceedings. Again, if there really was no substantial case against Zimmerman the right approach--and least politically painful one--would be to take it to the GJ and let them toss it out. That way it is the "people" saying so, not one part of the legal system passing closed door judgement on itself. Not taking it to the GJ screams that the DA was afraid there would be a incitement handed down.

If they were honest, many of the posters on here would be livid, yelling for a true, open, and honest examination of what happened. Any bets?

Still another post exemplifying Old-goaT's 'unbiased', 'nonjudgmental' conjecture regarding the Zimmerman case.

[Jackie S]

The reason the Special Prosecutor will not send this to a Grand Jury is she knows a NoBill will come down, and she simply does not want to see the inner cities of America burned.

She did say that just because a Grand Jury will not be conviened does not mean that she will not file charges without one.

I suspect she is biding her time, hoping things will die down over the summer and Jesse, Al, and the rest of Poverty Pimps Inc will find another cause.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The reason the Special Prosecutor will not send this to a Grand Jury is she knows a NoBill will come down, and she simply does not want to see the inner cities of America burned.

She did say that just because a Grand Jury will not be conviened does not mean that she will not file charges without one.

I suspect she is biding her time, hoping things will die down over the summer and Jesse, Al, and the rest of Poverty Pimps Inc will find another cause.

The grand jury throwing out the case is far less inflamatory that a DA deciding not to even ask. I do agree that it is likely a NoBill would have been rendered--I have seen exactly that kind of situation too often.

I would be very curious what charges she thinks she might file. A man is dead, and whether it was a crime or not should be determined in the open. I hope you are correct that this is not just tossing the case away behind closed doors, but until proven otherwise I have to assume that is exactly what is happening here.

I completely agree with you that having Jackson, Sharpton, et. al., step into this doesn't help anything.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Still another post exemplifying Old-goaT's 'unbiased', 'nonjudgmental' conjecture regarding the Zimmerman case.

Racism being alive and well in central Florida is a fact, not conjecture. The level of racism, and by which races against which other races is open for discussion. For you to claim otherwise makes you even stupider than I thought, and that was a very low standard to begin with. I have been threatened by Blacks, Whites, and various ethnic groups in Florida pleanty of times. Sometimes it is about my skin color, sometimes it's been because I don't hate "them" enough. Stupidity, bias, anger, hatred, or a mix of all: whatever your reason for denying racism exists in central FL it all serves the same sick end. The nicest explaination I can give for your actions is stupidity, and that itself is sad.

And case where a man was shot to death under questionable circumstances--and it does not go to a GJ when the shooter is known--does reek of closed door politics. Maybe it is justified, maybe not. The point is we don't know. But what we do know is you are now openly in support of non-open innocent and guilty verdicts. Welcome to the Gulag, Comrade! Papa Joe appreciates your support of his tactics to control the masses! With sympathizers like you, democracy will never win! What part of "open" do you disagree with, Comrade? You approve of the DA acting this way, so I ask why? Why is this better than letting the public see it air out in the open?

You also object to my stating my opinions/beliefs about life in FL that were formed from first hand knowledge and observation. Kind of you to once again claim that individuals are not allowed to have opinions unless approved by you. Yes, Comrade, I understand. The first rule of Comrade Che was to control the minds of the children, teach them that the Party always knows best and the Party will tell them what to think. You have learned well, Comrade.