Those that don't know history are doomed. . .

[ANONONE]

Originally Posted by John Bull

OK guys. It's time to tone down the anti-Semitic/pro Semitic stuff. Back on subject please. Otherwise, I'll sic Charles on you.

Okay, let's change the subject. . .

So which one of the guys above really got more pussy?

[DFW5Traveler]

Hogan, of course. Until he was murdered.

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Okay, let's change the subject. . .

So which one of the guys above really got more pussy?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

Hogan, of course. Until he was murdered.

Didn't he get murdered because he was getting so much pussy or more exact yje wrong pussy?

[DFW5Traveler]

Originally Posted by WTF

Didn't he get murdered because he was getting so much pussy or more exact yje wrong pussy?

It is still unsolved iirc. He had a doubles partner for mfm sessions. The partner allegedly got pissed when 'hogan' kicked him to the curb.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

It is still unsolved iirc. He had a doubles partner for mfm sessions. The partner allegedly got pissed when 'hogan' kicked him to the curb.

I knew there was some crazy shit going on with my man Hogan, couldn't remember what it was. Loved that show, that and the Rat Patrol!

[ANONONE]

Originally Posted by WTF

I knew there was some crazy shit going on with my man Hogan, couldn't remember what it was. Loved that show, that and the Rat Patrol!

Wasn't there some flick out recently with Greg Kinear and Willem Defoe about Crane and his lifestyle?

[pjorourke]

Autofocus

[I B Hankering]

RE: The OP’s original post

If you depend on the internet as a source for history, you’ll end up with history like this:

“Thousands of Southern blacks fought in the Confederate ranks, including two black battalions under the command of Stonewall Jackson.”

This misinformation found it’s way into a classroom, history textbook—the textbook’s author did not know her history.
See @:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101907974.html

Eliminating history teachers is a tenet of neither socialist nor fascist governments. It’s quite the opposite. Socialist and fascist governments use teachers (propagandists) to distort the past (create scapegoats) to justify the present (an existence wherein personal, social and economic freedoms are repressed) in order to control the future. Other posters, @ #28 & #78, alluded to this earlier. Eric Hoffer covers all of this in his book The True Believer—assigned to me by a history teacher.

@ Sisyphus [BTW your avatar, your handle, and your location are great]but when you said:
“Agreed. It's one of many political terms of art that get used & abused in general parlance all the time. They've become the modern-day equivalent of "waving the bloody flag"...”

It should be “wave a bloody shirt.” The term “wave a bloody shirt” has its origins in a speech made by General Benjamin “Beast” Butler on the floor of the House of Representatives during Reconstruction—know your history. j/p


I enjoyed the thread. It only changed directions about three or four times. Lol

[Camille]

I understand "Waving the bloody shirt"..it's a term I have heard explained..but I have also come across "waving the bloody flag." The term was explained to me Krugman's leap in saying liberalism = support of Stalin-esque policy, therefore indicating misuse of the word "liberalism."
That was at least what I thought Sis was relating his point to...

C x

[Sisyphus]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

@ Sisyphus [BTW your avatar, your handle, and your location are great]but when you said:
“Agreed. It's one of many political terms of art that get used & abused in general parlance all the time. They've become the modern-day equivalent of "waving the bloody flag"...”

It should be “wave a bloody shirt.” The term “wave a bloody shirt” has its origins in a speech made by General Benjamin “Beast” Butler on the floor of the House of Representatives during Reconstruction—know your history. j/p


I enjoyed the thread. It only changed directions about three or four times. Lol

Originally Posted by Camille

I understand "Waving the bloody shirt"..it's a term I have heard explained..but I have also come across "waving the bloody flag." The term was explained to me Krugman's leap in saying liberalism = support of Stalin-esque policy, therefore indicating misuse of the word "liberalism."
That was at least what I thought Sis was relating his point to...

C x

The lady hath a charm that only partially emanates from wisdom beyond her years!!

Yeah, that's where I was going with that....

IBH, first things first...thanks for the kind words on the avatar, handle & location!

As for the "correction"...[shrugs]...eh...maybe. Waving the bloody shirt or waving the bloody flag don't refer to exactly the same thing but they've been used interchangeably for so long that they've come to mean the same thing in common parlance.

However....I will push back a little on the origins of the former. Butler popularized the term in American politics but he did it by calling to mind a scene from the Bard's, "Julius Caesar." It's a tactic as old as man.

Being raised neither a Reb nor a Yank, I don't view all things American in terms of the (Failed) War of Southern Independence...

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

However....I will push back a little on the origins of the former. Butler popularized the term in American politics but he did it by calling to mind a scene from the Bard's, "Julius Caesar." It's a tactic as old as man.

Yes. I read the same thing. I wanted to be sure I remembered correctly, so I checked my facts before posting. However, I must admit that I thought the phrase had its origins during Garibaldi's campaign to unify Italy - which was just a few years prior to Butler's terms as a congressman. Garibaldi's volunteers were called "redshirts" because that was the only common uniform item his men could afford to wear.

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

Being raised neither a Reb nor a Yank, I don't view all things American in terms of the (Failed) War of Southern Independence...

If you are refering to my example for why one shouldn't rely on the internet to learn history, please read the article at the hyperlink. The fact is, Jackson did not have two battalions of African American soldiers serving under him. The author of this fourth grade history textbook used the internet to research her book where she found this "incorrect factoid." Because she did not know her history, she included it in the textbook which found its way into the classroom.

Now, if you are referring to me calling Butler "Beast Butler," he earned that eponym because he publically pronounced all of the ladies in New Orleans - high and low - whores. Then, he had the audacity to "confiscate" all of their heirloom silver.

Butler was one of the political generals Lincoln had to tolerate because Butler weilded considerable political influence in the North. He was no military genius, and the professional generals, Grant, Sherman, etc., had no use for him. So you might say he was despised North and South.

[Sisyphus]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yes. I read the same thing. I wanted to be sure I remembered correctly, so I checked my facts before posting. However, I must admit that I thought the phrase had its origins during Garibaldi's campaign to unify Italy - which was just a few years prior to Butler's terms as a congressman. Garibaldi's volunteers were called "redshirts" because that was the only common uniform item his men could afford to wear.

I honestly don't recall but it would not surprise me if Giribaldi did so as well. My point was simply that Butler didn't invent the term...he merely introduced it into American political discourse. Butler was simply doing Shakespeare "schtick" when he made the reference. Shakespeare may be credited with being the first "modern" to take notice of the tactic...but it is a tactic as old as politics...which makes it, by definition, as old as "social" man.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

If you are refering to my example for why one shouldn't rely on the internet to learn history, please read the article at the hyperlink. The fact is, Jackson did not have two battalions of African American soldiers serving under him. The author of this fourth grade history textbook used the internet to research her book where she found this "incorrect factoid." Because she did not know her history, she included it in the textbook which found its way into the classroom.

Not at all...sorry for the confusion/lack-of-clarity. I was poking fun at the tendency of some in our little "neighborhood" to view all of American history through the prism of North/South relations.

Bad "schtick" on my part....

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Now, if you are referring to me calling Butler "Beast Butler," he earned that eponym because he publically pronounced all of the ladies in New Orleans - high and low - whores. Then, he had the audacity to "confiscate" all of their heirloom silver.

Butler was one of the political generals Lincoln had to tolerate because Butler weilded considerable political influence in the North. He was no military genius, and the professional generals, Grant, Sherman, etc., had no use for him. So you might say he was despised North and South.

I was referring more to Butler himself rather that your characterization of him. I believe what he actually said was that he would consider any female resident of New Orleans....regardless of her social standing...that insulted or showed contempt to a Union soldier to be, " a woman of the town plying her avocation."

Just more bad double-endre "schtick" on my part...this being a SHMB & all...

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

I believe what he actually said was that he would consider any female resident of New Orleans....regardless of her social standing...that insulted or showed contempt to a Union soldier to be, " a woman of the town plying her avocation."

True enough, but I believe that the New Orleans "ladies" who were in fact spitting on or otherwise showing contempt towards Union soldiers and officers felt insulted. Lol

[Sisyphus]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

True enough, but I believe that the New Orleans "ladies" who were in fact spitting on or otherwise showing contempt towards Union soldiers and officers felt insulted. Lol

lol...no doubt! My guess is the hookers felt insulted as well!

How to win friends & influence people...

[Camille]

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

The lady hath a charm that only partially emanates from wisdom beyond her years!!

Yeah, that's where I was going with that....

I can remember the most obscure shit like that for no apparent reason, yet I can't hold the figures of a current budget breakdown that I am working on daily in my head for more than 5 minutes. I think I have someone elses brain...

C x