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08-06-2024, 01:46 PM
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Nor do I care if you care.
If one has a Y chromosome that doesn't activate properly that person can develop as a female.
PCOS can lead to high T. There are female athletes that have more testosterone than most of the male population. Asking if they should be banned because you used "Or." Should they?
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Yes. They should be banned. There HAS to be measuring points. XY, unusual high T levels and man’s junk should be the measuring points.
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08-06-2024, 02:02 PM
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To be clear... you need all 3 or just 1 of those 3?
Asking because you now switched to "and" and I'm looking for clarity
Geneticists, such as Albert de la Chappele specifically fought to have the Barr test eliminated from sports testing which is why things changed in the late 80's and early 90's. The IOC switched to PCR testing and then ultimately switched to hormone testing and eliminated chromosome testing in the late 90's.
They also over time published lists of conditions which include PCOS.
That faulty Y can lead the person to develop normally as a woman with zero advantages over other women. Which is why the entire point was to move away from strictly single source testing, look at hormones and look more holistically at the situation.
There ARE measuring points. Most of the folks talking in this thread just have no idea what they are.
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08-06-2024, 05:13 PM
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08-06-2024, 05:36 PM
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08-06-2024, 07:25 PM
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To be clear... you need all 3 or just 1 of those 3?
Asking because you now switched to "and" and I'm looking for clarity
Geneticists, such as Albert de la Chappele specifically fought to have the Barr test eliminated from sports testing which is why things changed in the late 80's and early 90's. The IOC switched to PCR testing and then ultimately switched to hormone testing and eliminated chromosome testing in the late 90's.
They also over time published lists of conditions which include PCOS.
That faulty Y can lead the person to develop normally as a woman with zero advantages over other women. Which is why the entire point was to move away from strictly single source testing, look at hormones and look more holistically at the situation.
There ARE measuring points. Most of the folks talking in this thread just have no idea what they are.
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08-06-2024, 07:33 PM
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Yeah, Mr Gristle. He’s the only one insisting that the guy is a biological female.
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08-06-2024, 07:46 PM
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Ok, so its an "or"
Do you trust geneticists and science?
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08-07-2024, 06:10 AM
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08-07-2024, 07:09 AM
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08-07-2024, 02:05 PM
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08-07-2024, 02:46 PM
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That's conflating sex and gender, Bam. You're showing an example of a woman who identifies as Trans but was born male and went through male puberty before some level of conversion. That isn't even remotely the same conversation.
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08-07-2024, 04:26 PM
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08-07-2024, 06:33 PM
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08-07-2024, 07:00 PM
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⚠️Breaking: Lin Yu-Ting, a biological male boxer who was barred from the 2023 World Championships for having male XY chromosomes, defeated Turkish female boxer Esra Yildiz Kahraman in the Olympics semi-finals tonight. After her defeat, Kahraman made an 'X' gesture in protest, symbolizing women's rights and highlighting the controversy of competing against a biological male. This incident took place during the Paris Olympics, where Kahraman was punched in the face and ultimately lost to Lin Yu-Ting, who had previously failed a gender test.
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