In the hands of the jury

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Angel14609

I did not read the whole the thread. But this is how I feel.
I think GZ was wrong to continue to follow Trayvon after he was told not to, and now a teen who was doing nothing wrong to begin with is dead. And now GZ is free. Its a shame that people go to jail for killing dogs but not for killing unarmed teen after being told to leave him alone. I am so dissappointed in the US justice system. I hope that Trayvons death was not in vain and that the Trayvon Martin movement helps to make some changes to our country. My thoughts,prayers,love and respect go out to Trayvons family.

STOP THE VIOLENCE!

again, we do not know who started the fight.

Originally Posted by quiver4me

OSD.... By definition, we are ALL racist, each and every one of us, the instant we look at a person and merely think "Asian" "Black" "White" "Native American" "Latino" or whatever... by defintion that's being racist. I think us WASPS often simply omit "white" when describing someone... and that doesn't make one any more or any less racist.

I am good with that statement. Good post.

[roscoe14850]

The transcript of 911 conversation. INTERPRET as you will but there seem to be a lot of people who think hearsay and the "news" are official documents.

George Zimmerman First 911 Call Feb. 26, 2012 Transcript



George Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

George Zimmerman:

He looks black.

911 dispatcher:
Did you see what he was wearing?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

911 dispatcher:

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

George Zimmerman:

Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:
OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

George Zimmerman:

That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

George Zimmerman:

He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

George Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

George Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

George Zimmerman:

OK.

These assholes. They always get away.

When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

George Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

George Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[Zimmerman mutters Fucking Punks at 2:22]


Are you following him? [2:24]

George Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

George Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

George Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, what’s your last name?

George Zimmerman:

Zimmerman.

911 dispatcher:

What’s the phone number you’re calling from?

George Zimmerman:

407-435-2400

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

George Zimmerman:

Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

George Zimmerman:

Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you live in the area?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah, yeah, I live here.

911 dispatcher:

OK, what’s your apartment number?

George Zimmerman:

It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]

George Zimmerman:

Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …

George Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]

911 dispatcher:

OK, that’s no problem.

George Zimmerman:

My number -- you’ve got it?

911 dispatcher:

Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400?

George Zimmerman:

Yeah, you got it.

911 dispatcher:

OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

George Zimmerman:

Thanks.

911 dispatcher:

You’re welcome.

Call ends 4:07

[quiver4me]

from that conversation it's clear that GZ had observed no illlegal activity. tell me again why he should have run after that boy?

[offshoredrilling]

to see where he went

[offshoredrilling]

then told "you do not have to do that" was not told not to. And agreed to meet cops at his truck.

[malonely]

You sold me OSD, Trayvon ran. He found a weird looking white guy sitting in his truck on a dark rainy night watching him intently. What could possibly be the matter with that? His running from the perv lurking in the truck watching him, stalking him is clearly an indication that he was guilty of something. It doesn't matter what it was, he was a black kid who ran. Any black kid who runs from white adult males watching them at night from their trucks should be put to death. Don't those people know their places already!!

[offshoredrilling]

Now 911 calls I have made I said where I lived. As I could still see who I called about. And I was sure out of range to hear me.

[roscoe14850]

Who was the pursuant at the time of confrontation? According to the transcript Zimmerman had lost track of Martin and was headed back to truck to meet police who were on their way.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

by what logic do you think he did not????

Are you serious with this?

You're fingering the guy who was being stalked. I'm fingering the guy who did the stalking.

You're fingering the guy who initially ran away. I'm fingering the guy who ran after him.

You're fingering the guy who was coming home from the store. I'm fingering the guy who was playing Dirty Harry.

You're fingering the guy who was outweighed by 40lbs. I'm fingering the guy who had a 40lb advantage. And...

You're fingering the guy who had a packet of skittles in his possession. I'm fingering the guy who knew he had a gun for back-up.

Ok, your turn.

back to Roderick Scott

Nobody in here gives a shit about Roderick Scott except you. And in spite of his total irrelevance to this entire case, referencing him is still about the best argument you got. So i suppose i can see why you'd want to keep bringing him up.

So back Zimmerman and Martin. we both do not know who started, and we both have are own opinion. Only living person that knows who started that fight is Zimmerman.

In both cases, I am happy the fuck ups are dead. You are not, life goes on.

How you can reconcile those two paragraphs in your own mind is anyone's guess.

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

well I going by something his mother said

And that was????

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

as my democrat neighbors where sayin " who does this n(word) think he is killing white kids"

I call bullshit.

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

again, we do not know who started the fight.

And in spite of there being zero logic indicating Martin started the fight, we all know he's the one who deserved to be killed. Right, OSD?

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by malonely

You sold me OSD, Trayvon ran. He found a weird looking white guy sitting in his truck on a dark rainy night watching him intently. What could possibly be the matter with that? His running from the perv lurking in the truck watching him, stalking him is clearly an indication that he was guilty of something. It doesn't matter what it was, he was a black kid who ran. Any black kid who runs from white adult males watching them at night from their trucks should be put to death. Don't those people know their places already!!

I would not go that far, As we still do not know who started the fight. Other than Zimmerman statements latter on. The investigators where on the side of Zimmerman. also Zimmerman plea was self defense. I think it was self defense, also the cops.
but when cops thought I was up to no good in there eyes, they where right. But they let me go as they had no case.

This case was passed on by local.They believed his story and thinking they had no case. And so a special FL state prosecution was formed to nail him bypassing the Grand jury under political pressure. The FL state attorney that started the special prosecution is being investigated for holding and making up evidence.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Who was the pursuant at the time of confrontation? According to the transcript Zimmerman had lost track of Martin and was headed back to truck to meet police who were on their way.

Ummmm, no.

He says he lost track of Martin, but nothing about him heading back to his car. In fact, he told the dispatcher to have the cops call him so he could tell them where he was when they got there - indicating his intention was not to be sitting around waiting at his car.

Nice try though.

Correction: Prior to his stating he lost track of Martin, he talked of meeting the police at the mailboxes by his truck. But after his stating he lost track of Martin, this is when he told the dispatcher to simply have the police call him and he'll tell them where he is. Nevertheless, i stand by my point that it indicates he had no intention of then waiting by his truck.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Who was the pursuant at the time of confrontation? According to the transcript Zimmerman had lost track of Martin and was headed back to truck to meet police who were on their way.

as I see it
edit: not sure we know or not part left in black

Originally Posted by Doove

Are you serious with this?
yes
You're fingering the guy who was being stalked. I'm fingering the guy who did the stalking.stalker called 911

You're fingering the guy who initially ran away. I'm fingering the guy who ran after him.
ok that is your opinion
You're fingering the guy who was coming home from the store. I'm fingering the guy who was playing Dirty Harry.That was the one that called 911

You're fingering the guy who was outweighed by 40lbs. I'm fingering the guy who had a 40lb advantage. And... yes

You're fingering the guy who had a packet of skittles in his possession. I'm fingering the guy who knew he had a gun for back-up.
yes, we do not know, but I believe Martin came back around to get Zimmerman.
Ok, your turn.



Nobody in here gives a shit about Roderick Scott except you. And in spite of his total irrelevance to this entire case, referencing him is still about the best argument you got. So i suppose i can see why you'd want to keep bringing him up.
it was another race bait case


How you can reconcile those two paragraphs in your own mind is anyone's guess.
I have no problem with killing in defending self.

And that was????
sent to live with his father in hope to stay out of trouble


I call bullshit.
nope


And in spite of there being zero logic indicating Martin started the fight, we all know he's the one who deserved to be killed. Right, OSD?
If Zimmerman was as I believe defending self, very much so.

[JohnnyCap]

Originally Posted by Celso

We DO KNOW the 911 operator told this Zimmerman 'vigilante killler', a wannabe cop, to STOP following, bothering, stalking Martin and just leave Martin alone!!!

Why do YOU continue to ignore these FACTS, in defending your vigilante killer hero???

Vigilante implies that a crime was committed by Martin. Too good a word for GZ.

[JONBALLS]

this is still going on?

you guys getting this all figured out?

as far as I can tell its a fight between a bunch of people that werent even there

fighting over who started a fight

so the first bunch to tap out will win

and at least we will know who started the fight

even though no one was there

[Doove]

OSD, so because Zimmerman called 911 on a guy who was doing nothing but walking home from the store, that's enough to convince you that Martin started the fight.

Wow.

Maybe you should stick to tracking down your ECCIE conspiracies.