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View Poll Results: How do you think the Russian army is doing?
They're looking good. Ukraine will be defeated. 1 3.57%
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Old 03-23-2022, 10:40 AM   #91
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Default Why I luv Ukrain and never heard of the covid

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Default I think we need a new psychology term.

I'll call it the Covid Syndrome. It's kinda of a mesh between Stockholm Syndrome and Look!-a-Squirrel Syndrome. It is where your captors redirect your focus with a new and shinny distraction and it causes one to go into deep analytics of minutia - without ever considering the bigger picture or even the actor portrayals and who is manipulating it - all to cause your new focus to ignore the other atrocities they are inflicting upon you.

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The envelopment continues apace.
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this site has a detailed break down on equipment losses.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html


Russia - 1878, of which: destroyed: 930, damaged: 35, abandoned: 228, captured: 685

Ukraine - 540, of which: destroyed: 206, damaged: 16, abandoned: 37, captured: 281
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Russia Admits 5201 Casualties in Ukraine, but the Numbers Ask More Questions Than They Answer

By streiff | Mar 25, 2022 5:30 PM ET

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has been underway for a little over a month, and I think it is safe to say that it has not turned out as most expected. The Russians were forecast to push aside a much weaker Ukrainian force, take Kiev in short order, replace the Zelensky government with something more stooge-heavy, and dictate peace terms.

A couple of “tells” that this was the plan. For instance, internal security troops from Rosgvardiya were in advance units of the first wave (for discussion on this branch of the Russian armed forces, read Top General in Putin’s Personal Army Is Arrested by FSB). On the morning of the first day, Russian air assault, that is, helicopter-borne, troops made an assault on Hostomel airport, about 15 miles from downtown Kiev. By February 28, the paratroopers had been eliminated, and the Russian armor that should have linked up with the airborne force within 24 hours still hadn’t gained control of the airport.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status...91541675958273



Needless to say, the Russians have reached the Mike Tyson stage of this operation, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...14213114875908



One of the enduring mysteries of the war is the number of Russian casualties. Neither side has been all that forthcoming about casualties, but those of Russia have the most interest. After the Ukrainian response to the invasion and the aggressive and effective operations of the Territorial Defense Force, it is fair to assume that Ukraine can continue to generate manpower. Zelensky called for a levée en masse on March 1. Contrary to what you may read, this is a perfectly legitimate action. The people responding to the call are covered by the Geneva Conventions to the extent that anyone fighting Russians is ever covered. Since then, many males who fled the country while escorting their families to safety have returned to take up arms. There are even unwilling patriots in the mix.

https://twitter.com/AdrianaCothran/s...76182898008073
The Ukrainian government has refused to allow biologically male transgendered individuals from fleeing the country alongside millions of women and children, who have been granted passage into Poland and other European countries.
"According to the report, Ukrainian border guards are turning back any transgender person who tries to flee alongside other refugees. As the country is now under martial law, all biological males between the ages of 18 and 60 are forced to take up arms and fight."
Likewise, there is a perception that Russia might be more casualty sensitive. This is not Stalin’s USSR, and the mothers of dead soldiers had a heavy influence on the Soviet decision to leave that country. More and more announcements like these are appearing in Russian regional media. They will have an impact.
Senior Sergeant Alexander Semenov of the VDV's 331st Airborne Regiment was killed in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507441812209913859
Artyom Safronov was a paratrooper serving with the VDV's 106th Airborne Division's 1182nd Artillery Regiment. He was killed in Ukraine on March 10.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507369714263207940
24-year-old Grigory Shcherbakov was a contract serviceman with the 150th Motorized Rifle Division. He was killed in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507343945193431046
Pavel Panenyshev from Chelyabinsk was killed in Ukraine on March 9.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507052974018859017
The VDV's 98th Airborne Division's Dmitry Zakharov, Aleksey Dmitrichev, and Maxim Mustafin were killed in Ukraine. They likely served in the 217th Airborne Regiment.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507027370896769032

On April 1, Russia begins inducting a new class of 12-month draftees. The draftees now in Ukraine must be released within a couple of months of April 1, or Putin must sign an order keeping them on active duty. This will change the status of his “special operation” to something that will be called “war.”

There are many estimates of Russian casualties (casualties, for the sake of clarity, are dead+wounded; this campaign has undoubtedly produced missing, deserters, and prisoners of war which could be substantial). NATO produced an estimate that looks like a wild guess. It doesn’t look terribly reliable when your upper range of deaths exceeds the lower by 100%.
A senior NATO military officer says NATO estimates that Russia has suffered between 30,000 & 40,000 battlefield casualties in Ukraine through the first month of the war, including between 7,000 and 15,000 killed. It is NATO’s first public estimate of Russian casualties (AP).
https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/st...97974625316865

In early March, the Kremlin released its first official tally placing Russian losses at 2,095 (498 dead and 1,597 wounded); see Russia Releases the First Official Casualty Count From Its Ukraine Adventure. On March 21, a Russian newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, released a casualty count and quickly retracted it. This pullquote is from Number of Russians Killed in Ukraine May Have Just Leaked out – and It’s Big by my colleague Nick Arama.
Citing the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Komsomolskaya Pravda said that 9,861 Russian troops had been killed and 16,153 had been wounded in Ukraine since the invasion began. They later retracted the number and claimed they had been hacked.
Now, a month after the first tanks rolled across the Ukraine border in a landgrab unseen in Europe since September 1939, the Russian Defense Ministry has given us an official count;
Russia says 1,351 of its soldiers have died in the fighting in Ukraine, the first casualty update that Moscow has given in more than three weeks and a figure well below Western intelligence and Ukrainian estimates.
Senior military officials said in Moscow on March 25 that 3,850 Russian soldiers had been injured in the fighting, which began on February 24 when Russia launched its unprovoked attack on Ukraine.
A few things are striking about this. First, the ratio of dead to wounded is 1:2.8. This is astonishing in any army that would consider itself First World. In Iraq and Afghanistan, the US ratio was about 1:7. The Soviet Army in World War II had a 1:3 ratio. There are two implications from this. The first is that combat first aid and medevac are nonexistent. If a soldier receives a serious wound, he is dead because he will not receive treatment. The second implication is that someone was given a number of dead, either real or fake, and told to dummy up the number of wounded because the Russians might not really know that number. The staff officer stuck with the assignment decided to use WW II ratios for the sake of realism.

The numbers themselves ask several questions. The intensity of combat has not decreased since February 24. Russian troops and their Chechen mercenaries are engaged in street fighting in Mariupol. There have been offensives and counteroffensive by both sides. Based on straight-lining the numbers, one would expect the number of dead to be at least four times the March 4 casualty report. That isn’t what we have. The Russians claim their casualties/week have gone down since the first week. Given the activities we’ve seen in the past three weeks, this is improbable, to say the least.

Another curiosity is that we know with some certainty the minimum number of Russian vehicles destroyed thus far because we can count them from commercial satellite imagery. The number could be higher, and probably is, but we know the floor (enjoy the database, each of the destroyed vehicles is linked to an image). That number, as of today, was:

295 tanks,
97 armored fighting vehicles,
153 infantry fighting vehicles,
76 armored personnel carriers,
12 Mine-Resistant Vehicles similar to MRAPs,
64 Utility vehicles similar to HMMWV,
11 Communications vans,
54 Engineering vehicles,
41 towed and 54 self-propelled artillery pieces,
33 MRLS,
40 SAM systems…

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Russia has had nearly as many combat vehicles destroyed as the number of men it admits losing. If you assume the destroyed tanks were manned, there are three dead Russians for each of those because we’re seeing destroyed Russian tanks are all catastrophic kills involving the ready rack ammunition cooking off.
What are the issues I don’t think it’s mentioned enough is the survivability rate among Russian tank crewmembers.

The T-72/T-80 is not a very fun environment when hit. The crew sits on a carousel autoloader, and if the ammunition is hit, the results aren’t great.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...14699024998403



Each of the infantry fighting vehicles has a 3-man crew and seven dismounts. So in a very short while, any logical association of casualties to destroyed vehicles is lost.

So we can say with a great deal of certainty that we still don’t know the number of casualties inflicted upon the Russian Army; at the same time, we can also say that number is substantially higher than the Russians admit. The number of casualties only becomes an issue if it affects Russia’s ability to sustain combat operations. We’ll see how that pans out in the next couple of weeks.
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The interesting statistic from the above is the arty pieces... less than 100 have been destroyed. Which means Russian doctrine is just fine... They've always been big on push the motorized infantry up...see where the shots come from, then blanket the enemy positions in indirect fire.

There is a reason artillery is called the King of Battle, and the Infantry the Queen of battle. Because EVERY infantryman hates artillery fire. Americans have not had to suffer a sustained artillery barrage since the Ardenne Forest. Even in Korea, the ChiComms favored human wave over artillery because they didn't have the pieces.

The Russians will force Ukraine to concede... they will likely lose the eastern Dnioer river valley and be forced to be a Neutral nation... Sorry NATO...

People have been predicting this conflict since the US has been pushing NATO expansion... we or rather the Ukraine people are now suffering the consequences of stupid US policy.

[STOLEN] Elections have consequences... even for Europeans.
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The mid-terms must be getting closer. Hope they find a platform to be proud of by then, without blowing up the whole world.

Sooner or later we should admit that Russia is not carpet bombing the bejesus out of everything or leveling entire cities with fuel-bombs or burning down the crops in the fields and what not. I see mostly targeted approaches to mostly military targets. Hence the slow pace.

But someone should look into Victoria Nuland and figure out why she is so blinded with her hate and rage towards Russia. It's been brewing for a long-ass time. Maybe she didn't get her cut, aka 10%, from the grift in Ukraine??

Zelensky is getting mighty close to cutting a deal and ending the insanity, unlike others who can't quite let go.

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poll has closed.


stalemate was the top pick in the poll at 25%

followed by a ukraine victory at 21%
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Why Russia keeps losing armored vehicles: "It's finders keepers"

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Why Russia keeps losing armored vehicles: "It's finders keepers"

CBS News
Sat, April 23, 2022, 11:56 AM

As Ukraine attempts to evacuate civilians from Mariupol, including some who remain trapped inside a steel plant, Russian forces have claimed victory in the city. But Russia's recent defeats in and around Kyiv expose unresolved weaknesses, starting with Russia's armored vehicles.


To date, Ukraine says Russia has lost close to 3,000 armored vehicles — but only half in combat.


"It's not good military leadership if you are losing so many men and so much equipment," Ukrainian military expert Yuri Zbanatski told CBS News' Chris Livesay.


In the city of Bucha, a graveyard of Russian tanks remain behind — damaged by artillery, fragments and explosions.


Oryx, a military and intelligence blog which counts Russia's military losses in Ukraine on the basis of photographs sent from the war zone, reports that Russia has lost more than 460 tanks.


"They [the tanks] were abandoned or ran out of fuel, and it's finders keepers for these farmers," Zbanatski said. "Their personnel is not properly trained. Their commanding officers are not able to plan their offensive operations properly."


Russia's power is now being tested in the eastern Donbas region. The urban environment around Kyiv that gave Ukraine's fighters defensive shelter is now gone and replaced with open terrain and long-range artillery – including dozens of howitzers that Ukraine received from the United States.


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