A great deal of you will be very happy

[Artie Lange]

You can send me your personal info. I won't tell anyone. I'll blackmail the shit out of you, but I won't actually tellanyone.

[carkido45]

[QUOTE=

No point wasting money on P411. P411 girls advertise all over the place. Heck, when they advertise backpage they don't require screening. You can give your references straight to the girls and use the money you save on more hobby fun.[/QUOTE]

There's a good reason the girls on bp don't screen most are not legit.
I don't have a p411 but have recommend it to other simply because of the positive feedback of other hobbyist and providers.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Big Jake

You can send me your personal info. I won't tell anyone. I'll blackmail the shit out of you, but I won't actually tell anyone.

Sssshhhhhh, wait till you get the money to post this.

[Artie Lange]

Please disregard my candor above. Send me your info, it's safe. I promise. $12/yr.

[sofiaofhouston]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Please note that Sofia's P411 account was revoked a few weeks ago due to extremely alarming behavior on her part, and I STRONGLY recommend that P411 members do not give her their Client Ids.

I have a very bad feeling about all things related to her. So please be careful.... while it's kind of fun to toy with her (like rubber necking at an accident), I think she is a very dangerous individual.

IMO, smart people will stay FAR away from this train wreck. Myself, I'm running away as you read this.

Always,
Gina

I had to respond to this.

First of all we don't ask for P411 as we KNOW it is compromised....We left after you refused to note that we had an issue with your client and asked you to place a warning...BUT no no no, you want his fee........We have done fine without you. I have caused danger to no one...I play online....Danger is giving up all your data and then hoping it won't be in subpoena....CC's on file and thinking the US and Canada don't have a working relationship.....YOU actually told me you had a murder you through P411 and refused to cooperate. Elaborate on that if you will. I didn't ask that you told me OUTRIGHT you were not going to interfere. All I can say is that out of integrity and respect for human life I would have cooperated with police if someone on my board DIED! I would have gladly gave the police the last person that saw them with the help of an attorney. I would not have let that just be swept under the rug......Thank god it was not in Texas. What state did you say it was again? Say what you will, your system is compromised and we stopped asking for P411 a while back when we had the issue with you not wanting to post a warning. Thank God there other sites more secure and new ones popping up. Again, we don't ask for P411 as noted in my ads. We ask for 2 references nothing from your site at all. If your going to sling mud Gina bring out the skeletons in your closet. Put your cards on the table...

You can bet when someone is DEAD records will be subject subpoena. Deny will not work on this one.

[TexasGator]

Originally Posted by sofiaofhouston

I had to respond to this.

First of all we don't ask for P411 as we KNOW it is compromised....We left after you refused to note that we had an issue with your client and asked you to place a warning...BUT no no no, you want his fee........We have done fine without you. I have caused danger to no one...I play online....Danger is giving up all your data and then hoping it won't be in subpoena....CC's on file and thinking the US and Canada don't have a working relationship.....YOU actually told me you had a murder you through P411 and refused to cooperate. Elaborate on that if you will. I didn't ask that you told me OUTRIGHT you were not going to interfere. All I can say is that out of integrity and respect for human life I would have cooperated with police if someone on my board DIED! I would have gladly gave the police the last person that saw them with the help of an attorney. I would not have let that just be swept under the rug......Thank god it was not in Texas. What state did you say it was again? Say what you will, your system is compromised and we stopped asking for P411 a while back when we had the issue with you not wanting to post a warning. Thank God there other sites more secure and new ones popping up. Again, we don't ask for P411 as noted in my ads. We ask for 2 references nothing from your site at all. If your going to sling mud Gina bring out the skeletons in your closet. Put your cards on the table...

You can bet when someone is DEAD records will be subject subpoena. Deny will not work on this one.

Popcorn?








Beer?

[carkido45]

How about ice cream and fried gator nuts. J/k

[Artie Lange]

Fried Gator Nuts are too small. You need some TCGF monster balls.

[Wayward]

It's better than Christmas, sofia's goodbye thread just keeps on giving.

[ThatManFromTexas]

Guys , do not exploit the disagreement Sofia and Gina have for your own amusement, that would be just plain wrong! They can work out their differences in a professional manner if given the proper support from this board.

Soooo... if ya'll would be good enough to hose down the mud wrestling pit.... the games can begin...

[auknowho]

Originally Posted by ThatManFromTexas

Guys , do not exploit the disagreement Sofia and Gina have for your own amusement, that would be just plain wrong! They can work out their differences in a professional manner if given the proper support from this board.

Soooo... if ya'll would be good enough to hose down the mud wrestling pit.... the games can begin...

TMFT is right!

Let them resolve this rather making a show out of it.
We can have the mud wrestling at TMFT's place.

[Sweet Heather]

Bye Sofia, I wish you well. H

[sofiaofhouston]

PUSH COMES TO SHOVE

First of all anyone who has visited our establishment will clearly tell you we don't talk on the phone we text only or email. That is just our agreed policy. Please note this.

Let me elaborate on the matter so you all can better understand. Alex was robbed by a P411 client. When she arrived at the location she got comfortable and removed her jacket. When she asked the guy for the phone bill, the guy started to get ugly with her and started to man handle her. He gave half to her and shoved in in her coat pocket and told her "no need to count." She counted anyway! She pointed out he was 100 short and he became very pushy with her. She put her coat back on when he refused to give her phone bill and asked her to stay anyway. She had her bluetooth on or put it back on and dialed me straight away so i heard everything that transpired after she secretly dialed me with her phone in her coat pocket. Alex is a smart girl for doing that. I then called the client directly and ask that he let her go. He refused and started to shake her by her upper arms calling her a no good whore. I heard Alex's fear and called the client and told him 911 was on the way. After bruising and scaring Alex he let her go. NOT BEFORE TAKING EVERYTHING IN HER POCKET. His phone bill plus the cash that she had on her.

I got on P411 straight away and used the live person feature and was told to email Gina. When i did so she emailed she would not post an alert on the guy as what Alex had to say was hearsay. I told her I heard the entire thing on the phone via her bluetooth since she dialed me. Still she would not post an alert or notice on the guy stating she had not heard his version of it. Plus we had no evidence was hurt although Alex arm was bruised. This was all done via email. I then decided to take pics of Alex arm to show her this did happen. Alex had a mock turtleneck on that was sleeveless at the time. I did not see the bruises on her earlier that day but i did see them after this event as well as her clearly crying, scared and shook up after. She sat with me and saw what was going on via emails with Gina. We simply could not believe that Gina would not post any alerts because he had a few Ok's. That does not mean that he can't mentally break or has not done this before. As Gina stated he was a paying member and she wasn't going to post warnings based on what she said. I emailed her the pics and that was still not enough. You see providers don't pay only men do. That 60.00 yearly was worth more to her than Alex being physically hurt, and robbed of the cash Alex had on her. The emails progressed and I was asked to drop it or she would ruin me. Just to let it go that this sort of thing happens everyday! I did not let it go. I kept emailing demanding an alert on him after what happened. Anyone who has seen Alex will tell you she is not one to create problems when there are none. She is very sweet and of good character. Anyone who has reviewed her will attest to her personality. I ask her regulars to attest to her personality.

The emails from Gina kept getting worse, with more threats to out me and to keep my mouth shut as Alex was fine and nothing happened. Gina finally agreed to a call the next day. Prior to this she asked me to stop emailing those pics to her, that she did not have time to be bothered by them. i asked Alex to be here the next day so she could hear what Gina had to say about the matter and we could use speaker phone if she had questions. She stated she could not as she work the next day and could not be here. I then told her I would go to bat for her as hard as I could. I decided to go to Best Buy and buy a cheapie recording device to show Alex I was going to do my best! It is important for the ladies to know that I have their backs when this stuff happens. They HAVE to know i will do my very best to protect them in these matters. Although Alex said she would believe what I stated transpired on the call, I insisted she hear the actual words so nothing could be confused or misconstrued. I must add we do not talk on the phone with our guest only text and email. This would never happen if this had not taken place ( the recording). It is not our practice to record or keep documents. Those of you you who have visited can attest we text only and email only. We do not talk on the phone. This was a one time thing to show Alex everything, the raw truth of what was stated by both parties.

When the call finally came the next day, I did record as Texas is a one party state. On the telephone call Gina clearly enraged by me pushing the issue stated she would not post the issue no matter what proof I gave her as he was a paying member and she would simply not do it. She was yelling on and on about how this happens everyday and if she posted these things her member numbers would drop, bringing her bottom line down and she was all about the money. I asked about the safety of providers and she stated " Look there was a murder with a P411 provider. I would not even cooperate with the police although my attorney advised i only had to give the info of the last man she saw" I asked in shock. Was this in Houston? She stated it was not even in Texas. I then asked what would it hurt if a person died and you are given immunity, as she stated her attorney mentioned this. She then stated. "It's not my fucking business to babysit every provider, their on their own." I'm not posting anything you or Alex ask me to no matter how many pictures you send. I don't even do that with my own agencies". "They will have to subpoena this through the courts and that will take a while" I then said we wanted nothing to do with P411 if they would not protect the provider. Yes this was a heated argument and there was much said.

I am glad Gina does not let anyone's records go to anyone but had she just given the data she was asked for this one MURDER she mentioned, maybe there would not be a request for all her data.

Gina can not deny this conversation took place and there is a murder investigation going on with P411. We do not use them, we removed ourselves that day. The provider's safety is more important to me than as Gina put it " maybe he was just having a bad day!" Bad day or not Gina hobbyist do not have the right to hurt providers or KILL them. I did ask if this has happened before with this guy or not....She refused all information pertaining to the guy who manhandled Alex and robbed her.

That is why Gina has a problem with me. I spoke up om someones behalf and she did not give a shit. She stated no one cared what happened to Alex. I DO! Anyone who has recently send an application will tell you we do not request for P411 so her attempt to insinuate we do is completely false. Gina if you need the recording for your attorney have him contact me and I will give it to him. You know damn well this conversation took place and what YOU said to me. I did not ask you about any murders. You in your anger went on and on about that.

It is not our practice to ever record anything as we do not talk on the phone and this was a one time thing. I felt Alex deserved to hear every word, I appreciate that Alex said there was no need to do that but I felt I owed her at least that much. I went to bat for her as hard as I could only to deal with Gina worried the guy would cancel his membership. I did in fact tell her I would tell anyone who asked what I thought of P411.

There it is ladies and gentlemen. Whatever you may think of me this is why we left P411. I don't want anything to do with someone who does not give a shit about providers. This is not a "my word against hers" its recoded Gina. As you claimed you would use all your weight to ruin me if I pushed it.....

Despite what you may think of me, providers do deserve to be protected! Those of you who think Gina is great, I'm sure you have never seen her bad side and up until now no one has dared speak ill of her. Their incomes are based on staying in her good graces and she knows it. Gentlemen I know you respect her but if you heard her refusal to post a warning on a guy who robbed and bruised Alex you would think differently, unless you are of the same mind frame. Anyone with any questions on the matter Pm me...

[pyramider]

When is DH going to whisk you away?

[sofiaofhouston]

I'm not going to let someone try to do what Gina has done and use her gained respect in the community against me for standing up for a provider! That i will not do. Never. On that one I will not bend I will not break!