Why Do the Libtards Keep Lying About Bush?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by boardman

You are correct. By the same token not believing something doesn't mean it isn't a lie.

Intent here is the key.

+1

"Intent" is the sole key; when defining a "lie", the truth or falsity of the information is irrelevant w/o intent.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

You are correct. By the same token not believing something doesn't mean it isn't a lie.

Intent here is the key.

If you kill someone intent is critical was it intentionally? Justified? Premeditated? But none of that changes the fact that someone is dead and you killed him. Bush's lie is no different ... no matter if justified or not , it was still a lie.

Was it murder? Self Defense? .....but there can be no arguing the fact that he killed someone. Yet you continue to try and do so. Dead body and all!


And for the record. ..i do not hate Bush. Seems likable, like Reagan I suppose. I do not think him half the man his father was but no I do not hate him.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by WTF

If you kill someone intent is critical was it intentionally? Justified? Premeditated? But none of that changes the fact that someone is dead and you killed him. Bush's lie is no different ... no matter if justified or not , it was still a lie.

Was it murder? Self Defense? .....but there can be no arguing the fact that he killed someone. Yet you continue to try and do so. Dead body and all!


And for the record. ..i do not hate Bush. Seems likable, like Reagan I suppose. I do not think him half the man his father was but no I do not hate him.

Here we go on another tangent. But you are helping to make my point about intent.
Murder is intentional.

There are different punishments for killing someone, negligent homicide is not considered as egregious as manslaughter which is not considered as egregious as murder. murder is even defined in differing degrees as you say. See where intent or the perception of intent comes into your example? The way a person is charged in those cases has much to do with the intent that is perceived by the prosecutor. If someone is killed but it is unintentional there is still a responsibility on the part of the killer unless it is a completely unavoidable accident. If not a prosecutor has to determine if there is enough evidence to prove the accused intended to kill, murder in some degree, didn't intend to kill but should have reasonably known that his actions would lead to death, Manslughter, or didn't intend to kill but behaved in a way that way that was negligent toward the deceased, Negligent homicide.

If I get pissed off at another driver on the road and start driving too aggressively to show the other person that I will not be intimidated by him and that results in an accident where someone is killed am I responsible. Sure. Did I intend to kill someone? Probably not. Probably negligence. If I text and drive or drink and drive and someone is killed because of my texting or drinking I should have known that my actions could cause a death, Manslaughter. If, I intentionally run someone off the road and they die because I'm pissed at their driving that may be considered murder. If I intentionally run someone off the road and they die because they pissed me off at work a couple of hours ago and the opportunity presents itself for me to do that and kill them that may be second degree murder. If I plan on running my wife or SO or boss off the road because I'm sick of their shit then that's capital murder.

Edit to add: I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV or ECCIE. I'm sure, if I've made a mistake in my assessments above, that LL will be more than happy to correct me.

[WTF]

Opps

[boardman]

Originally Posted by WTF

If you kill someone intent is critical was it intentionally? Justified? Premeditated? But none of that changes the fact that someone is dead and you killed him. Bush's lie is no different ... no matter if justified or not , it was still a lie.

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

If one of your illegal workers left a screwdriver in his pocket, went home, discovered it and brought it back to you the next day, is he a thief?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

Here we go on another tangent. But you are helping to make my point about intent.
Murder is intentional.

p:

I feel like I'm talking to a rock.

Murder is intentional. ...A Liar lies purposefully. Comparable.


Accidentally killing someone is like an unintentionally lie. Comparable


But Death is death. Just like a lie is a lie. Intent does not change those two actions. Intend is another subject matter all together.

First you kill someone.
Next you are a murderer or justified in killing or any other number of labels.


Same with a lie. You either lie or tell the truth. Intent only figures out what label you get. Liar. Idiot. Unknowingly parroting. Now of which change the fact that you lied.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by WTF

I feel like I'm talking to a rock. Yep, me too.

Murder is intentional. ...A Liar lies purposefully. Comparable.


Accidentally killing someone is like an unintentionally lie. Comparable


But Death is death. Just like a lie is a lie. Intent does not change those two actions. Intend is another subject matter all together.

First you kill someone.
Next you are a murderer or justified in killing or any other number of labels.


Same with a lie. You either lie or tell the truth. Intent only figures out what label you get. Liar. Idiot. Unknowingly parroting. Now of which change the fact that you lied.

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

Tell me why it is you never answer my questions. I think I've answered all of yours in this thread regardless of how stupid they are. Sometimes I answer them to point out the stupidity but I do still answer them. When presented with reasonable questions you always seem to do the triple D or whatever y'all call it in here. Answer some of my topical questions with reasonable arguments please. Until then I choose to disengage, pull a BigTex and re post my statement above. I don't feel like going down any more silly rabbit holes.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

If one of your illegal workers left a screwdriver in his pocket, went home, discovered it and brought it back to you the next day, is he a thief?

Jesus. You still can not distinguish the difference in killing someone and figuring out the intent. Knowing the intent does not change the fact that you have killed someone.

Lying is lying purposefully of innocently does not change the fact that you told a lie. Intent only figure's out if we call you a liar or a fool.


And nothing changes the fact that a worker took home something that wasn't his. Intent only determines if he were a theif or made an innocent mistake. You act as if just because he did not intend to take it home then he really didn't take a screwdriver home? WTF?

[boardman]

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

Double Jesus H Christ. You continue to mix up intent with actual action.

Someone is dead no matter your intention.

Just as a falsehood or what some would call a lie, is told no matter intentions.

Dead person. Lie told. Those are factual actions no matter the intention.

Intention just gets you put into a category. Murder. Self Defense. Liar or Parrot. No matter what category you wind up in based on intentions it will not change the fact that a person is dead or a lie told.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

Tell me why it is you never answer my questions. .

Ask me any question you like. Number them. I will gladly answer any silly question you have that pertains to the topic.

Please do not run from the thread now that I have you on the ropes

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Opps

Are you trying to spell "Oops"? Is it that complicated?

[nevergaveitathought]

Wtf's hoist by his own petard

Since he's been painted into a corner and with hubris he remains,
All I can say is by his own measure most if not all of his posts are lies for he is most often incorrect

Logically however, only liars lie, and lies can only come from a liar, his division of lies from liars are nonsense

Lies do not float around apart and absent a liar, the two are connected, one requires the other

Being incorrect is not always lying, most times it is not lying. Lying requires an element of deceit. Wtf may realize his error but by hubris he may feel stuck. in this matter either he is sorely a fool or the maintainer of deceit

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Are you trying to spell "Oops"? Is it that complicated?

Another great contribution from our "build a fence around our borders " resident libertarian.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Wtf's hoist by his own petard

Since he's been painted into a corner and with hubris he remains,
All I can say is by his own measure most if not all of his posts are lies for he is most often incorrect

Logically however, only liars lie, and lies can only come from a liar, his division of lies from liars are nonsense

Lies do not float around apart and absent a liar, the two are connected, one requires the other

Being incorrect is not always lying, most times it is not lying. Lying requires an element of deceit. Wtf may realize his error but by hubris he may feel stuck. in this matter either he is sorely a fool or the maintainer of deceit

You're probably right, most times being incorrect is due to stupidity, like in your case, or ignorance. Lies can only come from a liar? Says who? You?