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[CaptainTruth]

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

I've got no issue with Dallas, although I stopped going there when the AMPs were all shut down. It's a hell of a town for mongering. You could post a similar breakdown for Montreal. More expensive flight, but a great escort scene.

I'll post a TJ report after I return in a couple of weeks.

Go again? lol

May have to get my passport updated.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by VraiSapuer

I am up here in Canada and I can assure you that rates in KC are bloated. Go to Leo's List for Winnipeg and do a search. These ladies are asking the equivalent of $200-$250. The cost of living index is about the same between the two cities. So why the massive difference. People can charge what they want, but it seems to me that something is off. But as everyone has said, as long as those rates can be gained it won't change.

An important part of the equation that you're leaving out-- for the ladies, its legal in Canada. They cannot go to jail for the hobby. There is a higher risk in the States-- a prostitution arrest, even though its a misdemeanor in most locations, can seriously affect your future ability to get a job, get certain degrees and certifications, etc. With greater risk comes greater reward, otherwise why do it?


I should note.. that despite what I just said-- my rates fall within the range mentioned by the OP as not being insane.

[KCQuestor]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

An important part of the equation that you're leaving out-- for the ladies, its legal in Canada. They cannot go to jail for the hobby.

100% true. When I've visited Canada, nearly all of the escorts that I met have been part-timers doing this for extra money. They pick up an appointment through an agency when they need extra cash, or schedule a few regular sessions a week. They are students or office workers (or whatever) first, and escorts second.

I'm sure there are plenty of full-time escorts, but without the risk of getting arrested they can spend less time screening. It's a win for everyone!

[CaptainKaos]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

An important part of the equation that you're leaving out-- for the ladies, its legal in Canada. They cannot go to jail for the hobby. There is a higher risk in the States-- a prostitution arrest, even though its a misdemeanor in most locations, can seriously affect your future ability to get a job, get certain degrees and certifications, etc. With greater risk comes greater reward, otherwise why do it?

OK, this holds water mostly for women who don't screen. When you see reliable clients, your chances of getting ripped off, getting arrested or getting hurt are reduced. Given that, shouldn't clients from P411 or ECCIE be considered less risky and, therefore, require less of a fee?

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

OK, this holds water mostly for women who don't screen. When you see reliable clients, your chances of getting ripped off, getting arrested or getting hurt are reduced. Given that, shouldn't clients from P411 or ECCIE be considered less risky and, therefore, require less of a fee?

Many ladies-- myself included-- DO offer a discount to members of verification sites like P411. Being from Eccie doesn't inherently make a person "less risky"-- one can be here all day and have zero references.. or even worse, zero good references.



As a side note-- sadly, being from a board like that doesn't always make a person great-- I've had three negative incidents in my years-- all 3 of them were people who were either members here, or ASPD, or both. 2 of the 3 were also on P411. Yes-- that's still a pretty good track record overall-- but all it really takes is one.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

.... shouldn't clients from P411 or ECCIE be considered less risky and, therefore, require less of a fee?

Nope.
That may help a smidge on screening, but only if a longstanding member with a track record.
I know of four stories just in the last several years. 2 were roughed up, one severely, and 2 had guns pulled on them and robbed. All had passed a decent screening. Three of these here in kc.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Nope.
That may help a smidge on screening, but only if a longstanding member with a track record.
I know of four stories just in the last several years. 2 were roughed up, one severely, and 2 had guns pulled on them and robbed. All had passed a decent screening. Three of these here in kc.

Yup.. and even P411 isn't 100%. Even back in the days when Gina was still running things-- there were 3 major incidents where P411 was infiltrated and several ladies were arrested...



This is a risky profession for the ladies, regardless of screening and where clientele is found. I have been attacked and robbed once-- and it was by a person that I had seen at least half a dozen times.

[CaptainKaos]

Sweet Jesus. As a former gal I respected a lot said, "This is fucks for bucks, not dinner with the Quee."

This shit should be easy. I hate reading about ladies getting beat up.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

Sweet Jesus. As a former gal I respected a lot said, "This is fucks for bucks, not dinner with the Quee."

This shit should be easy. I hate reading about ladies getting beat up.

If people knew how to act right on both sides of the coin-- it would be.


Or if we didn't continually attempt to legislate morality.



Both create issues that make something that should be fun and profitable-- a lot more difficult if safety matters to you.

[yourdesire]

You say you make 6 figures. Has your boss come to you and said hey this isn't going to work? What would your reaction be if they did? Why do you feel you should have a 6 figure income then complain about a lady who wants the same. What makes you worth 6 figures where we aren't worth the same? Many of you see nothing wrong w/complaining about our rates & asking for discounts but don't think about how you'd react if your job did this to you. Hey cap we thought today we'd cut your pay in 1/2 for the day. I'm sure you'd be thrilled and work hard w/a smile on your face all day right. There are enough providers out there if you don't like our rates shut up and go to one who is more along your speed but stop asking us to do something you're not willing to do yourself. It's not a hard concept so what's the problem? Chaos for someone who rips girls off you sure whine a lot. Fet over yourself

[yourdesire]

Originally Posted by JohnnyGleet

" Long live free enterprise " . Rossignol - Marat / Sade

Is this the asylum lol

[yourdesire]

Originally Posted by BigDeal

Ive actually lowered my rates for the ladies to see me as part of my national stimulas or stimulated campaign (either way)
Hasnt worked yet!

We love it when you are a cheap ho lol much love

[BigDeal]

Originally Posted by yourdesire

You say you make 6 figures. Has your boss come to you and said hey this isn't going to work? What would your reaction be if they did? Why do you feel you should have a 6 figure income then complain about a lady who wants the same. What makes you worth 6 figures where we aren't worth the same? Many of you see nothing wrong w/complaining about our rates & asking for discounts but don't think about how you'd react if your job did this to you. Hey cap we thought today we'd cut your pay in 1/2 for the day. I'm sure you'd be thrilled and work hard w/a smile on your face all day right. There are enough providers out there if you don't like our rates shut up and go to one who is more along your speed but stop asking us to do something you're not willing to do yourself. It's not a hard concept so what's the problem? Chaos for someone who rips girls off you sure whine a lot. Fet over yourself

Actually make a good point.
I say if one can make the money good for them.
I mean some guys are living on rates from 10 15 20 yrs ago for a provider.
Need to get over it...change is the one thing thats consistent.
If I see a girl Id like to book with but dont want to drop that kind of coin.
I move on.
This whole rate thing is a lil crazy. While I do agree this hobby hs gotten expensive and rates have crept up. Im not going to bitch about something I cant change.
If ya cant pay the prices find a cheaper hobby.

[yourdesire]

Given that, shouldn't clients from P411 or ECCIE be considered less risky and, therefore, require less of a fee?
Again Chaos, does your boss ask you to adjust your pay? Another thing people aren't considering, if we have insurance it comes out of our pocket not out of our paychecks where our employers match the cost. If you don't have insurance than you pay twice as much for everything you need or more. And I think everyone appreciates a provider who gets tested regularly and keeps herself safe and keeps you safe. Personally I pay for tests out of pocket. I don't charge high donations, I don't upcharge, I provide excellent service in a safe comfortable environment and I do quite well.I don't feel it's right for anyone to ask another person to lower there rates. You don't have that done to you on your job why should the provider have to go through it.

[yourdesire]

Grace I couldn't agree more. I too offer 411 discounts. As well as frequent flyer discounts.I give 75 off for those who see me at least once a month. None the less I don't want to be expected to lower my rates. If I have them set they should be respected not negotiated.I highly doubt a single one of these gents has to negotiate there salarys unless it's for a raise or promotion. I'm not an auctiin house. Regardless of what site you're on. I've heard and seen enough to see you could have an impeccable record on these sites and still flip legally or mentally and it's happened. Being established on a specific site does not make you safer or less of a risk. And even if it did people should not be expected to negotiate there rates