Perry in debate: Lets throw Science "OUT THE DOOR"

[CuteOldGuy]

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

This has been attributed to several authors, but it is true. And this is where we are. Face it, and fight it!

[WTF]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm



Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

[Laz]

WTF

I don't think we disagree on much other than some terminology and the degree of military cuts that would be appropriate. I like the chart that excludes SS and FICA taxes. That is what should always be used.

The mission of the military today should be reevaluated. I agree with Ron Paul on how we have troops all over the world that should be brought home or the cost should be born by the country in which they are based. It was embarrasing that the european countries in NATO could not take out a pissant dictator like Kadafy(sp?) without our help. Those types of changes would make a big impact but Congress still needs to behave responsibly.

[WTF]

I agree my brother!

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

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"Gobs" aren't necessary Charles, we'll settle for the $0.06 of every dollar sent to DC from TX that doesn't come back.

I suppose we could compare this to Katrina and point out how "racist" Obama's being with regards to Texas? I mean, that would be the "fair" thing to do, right?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

"Gobs" aren't necessary Charles, we'll settle for the $0.06 of every dollar sent to DC from TX that doesn't come back.

I suppose we could compare this to Katrina and point out how "racist" Obama's being with regards to Texas? I mean, that would be the "fair" thing to do, right?

Or we could just secede from the union.

Have you ever though that maybe our form of goverment is kinda fuc'd?

On one hand we bitch about taxes on the other we want the Feds to protect us.

One last question...what difference does it make if the President of the United States fucs you or a State Gov.

Why do you cede power to the states so readily? I no more want Perry telling me what to do than Obama.I do not want the mayor of Houston telling me what to do. We have no true freedom in this country. People are to afraid to actually protect themselves. Therefore we will never have true freedom. All this is a bunch of Hogwash. Perry is no more about Freedom than Stalin. This is a crony capalitist country, pure and simple. Deal with it. Do as Adam Smith said to do....take that invisible hand and bitch slap your neighbor.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by WTF

Who is stealing the money?

Who benifits the most?

Let me ask you this....If we had paid for all the other things we wanted (and sorry Laz but the majority of those wants were military spending ) would we be having this discussion.

I mean really...SS has enough saved to last fully until 2037.

Who are we kidding?

We have robbed our trust funds so we would not have to raise taxes. That has been the problem. The reason why people are complaining now is because there is no longer no huge surplus.

Now we have to do what our parents would not. Raise taxes and cut spending and benifits but those same selfish bastards that got us here do not want us to cut their benifits!

That is wtf Ronald Reagan raised, a nation that puts shit on credit. Out political system is broke folks both in dollars in morals.

Social Security is an unfunded liability for the baby boomers which is coming into fruition as many retire and start to recieve their checks. It's an unfunded liability for the upcoming generations as well. If you believe that the U.S. has enough saved for SS until 2037 in some account somewhere I'll leave it at that, however I'm laughing my ass off! Thats a big "if" we even have a dollar by the year 2037, plus it isn't going to be worth anything! It will considerably be worth less and less if everything just continues the way things are. The dollar is toast!

For example, if an average worker retired in 1987 and started collecting their SS check do you really think they can live off of that? Look at all of the inflation and rising prices? Sure there's cost of living increases added to SS but is that really going to help? That same workers SS might be worth something if they were making $100,000 or more, year in and year out starting from 1947 to 1987. However there weren't many people making that kind of money during that time frame. People got paid peanuts back then. If people in this day and age expect SS to take care of them into their golden years then they are sadly mistaken! They have no plan! Their expecting to live a meagar existence in their old age.

There will never be a SURPLUS in this country ever again, it will never happen, it's too far gone and the debt can never be paid off. The game is rigged! It was designed that way. The rich benefit the most. Who is stealing the money you ask? The rich, the politicians via taxes and legislation, and the federal reserve bank which is not federal at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0CjA...yer_detailpage

Ron Paul 2012

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Social Security is an unfunded liability for the baby boomers which is coming into fruition as many retire and start to recieve their checks. It's an unfunded liability for the upcoming generations as well. If you believe that the U.S. has enough saved for SS until 2037 in some account somewhere I'll leave it at that, however I'm laughing my ass off! Thats a big "if" we even have a dollar by the year 2037, plus it isn't going to be worth anything! It will considerably be worth less and less if everything just continues the way things are. The dollar is toast!

For example, if an average worker retired in 1987 and started collecting their SS check do you really think they can live off of that? Look at all of the inflation and rising prices? Sure there's cost of living increases added to SS but is that really going to help? That same workers SS might be worth something if they were making $100,000 or more, year in and year out starting from 1947 to 1987. However there weren't many people making that kind of money during that time frame. People got paid peanuts back then. If people in this day and age expect SS to take care of them into their golden years then they are sadly mistaken! They have no plan! Their expecting to live a meagar existence in their old age.

There will never be a SURPLUS in this country ever again, it will never happen, it's too far gone and the debt can never be paid off. The game is rigged! It was designed that way. The rich benefit the most. Who is stealing the money you ask? The rich, the politicians via taxes and legislation, and the federal reserve bank which is not federal at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0CjA...yer_detailpage

Ron Paul 2012

Oh I do not doubt that the rich have rigged the game. Why do you think Reagan 'saved' it. So his rich friends in the military complex could be bought off without raising taxes on the rich. In fact he lowered taxes on the rich.

Reagan started us down this path of destruction, at least in my lifetime, of buying things on credid.

All that is is a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich. How do you think Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield made their millions? Hell how did Bush jr make his. They made it off the government tit!

SS is/was not the problem. It was just a tool to transfer wealth to the elite.

http://motherjones.com/transition/in...revolving-door

But just how Cheney got rich deserves some scrutiny. As secretary of defense, Cheney oversaw one of the largest privatization efforts in the history of the Pentagon, steering millions of military dollars to civilian contractors.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by WTF

Oh I do not doubt that the rich have rigged the game. Why do you think Reagan 'saved' it. So his rich friends in the military complex could be bought off without raising taxes on the rich. In fact he lowered taxes on the rich.

Reagan started us down this path of destruction, at least in my lifetime, of buying things on credid.

All that is is a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich. How do you think Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield made their millions? Hell how did Bush jr make his. They made it off the government tit!

SS is/was not the problem. It was just a tool to transfer wealth to the elite.

Nixon started us down the path of destruction in 1971 according to what I know and understand. He was the one who started us down the path when he severed the tie between gold and the dollar. You should do some research on that. I wasn't even born then but I do understand it.

Here goes an interesting video you should check out! I think you'll find it entertaining. One of the end results to inevitable failure! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpphZ...layer_embedded

Read this article. http://www.infowars.com/austerity-ri...-debt-default/

[WTF]

Yes you are correct about Nixon. Politicians have relied on the Fed ever since. The Bankers (Fed) and the military run this country. Everything else is window dressing.

Did I tell you I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 primary. I know the deal .

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Why? That is where we spend the most money.

Ya think?

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by WTF

Yes you are correct about Nixon. Politicians have relied on the Fed ever since. The Bankers (Fed) and the military run this country. Everything else is window dressing.

Did I tell you I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 primary. I know the deal .

Thank goodness your awake!

[anaximander]

You know who you are.
Talk a good game regarding liberty,
that is until money enters the scene.

Then all sorts of geoboogeymen.
Their remedy?
Emasculate US military, abandon Israel.
Ron Paul or Ayman Zawahiri?
Both say essentially the same thing
only for different reasons.
Both end up in the same place:
islamic hell on earth.

Our Republic has issues to be sure.
Disarming ourselves, abandoning our allies,
and soaking the rich won't help.

As for the poor?
Fuck the poor!

Best way to help them is to not be one of them,
and not have poverty so comfy and filling.
Hunger is an outstanding motivator.

[WTF]

Israel asshole.

Fight the good fight.

They are no different than our poor and we know how you feel about our poor.

Both our poor and you fucs are nothing but charity cases.

Chew on that Mr Crypto reader

[anaximander]

Don't think I haven't considered it.

The financial aid to Israel is largely a money
transfer to northrop, boeing, raytheon, etc
The IDF is basically a combat proving dept
of the Pentagon.
If the world socialists think defunding our
military is good thing: then it must be a bad
thing if our enemies concur.

Charity? Refuse the stuff like the plague.
It rots your soul in way adultery simply can't.
Makes you weak, spineless...hand out.

I personally have no poor. Your syntax is a bit
unintelligible...but that to a degree is rote for you.
I dislike all poor equally if that helps.
Here, there, everywhere- to hell with them.