HPV Vaccine - Why is this even controversial?

[CJ7]

the vaccine is there for the asking, theres no mandatory statute that makes anyone do anything.

If parents decide to protect their children the best way they think they can, its their decision. If young adults decide to protect themselves the decision is theirs.

in either case, hindsight comes into play should either decide not to, and HPV rears its ugly head and years later becomes a threat to their life.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I agree that wide spread vaccination of a populace provides protection to those who aren't vaccinated. I'm making a point that those who get the vaccine are taking a risk also.

But what I recall reading when Gov Perry tried to pass a state law that every schoolgirl get an HPV shot was that the rate of HPV infection was not that high. And there were many strains of HPV and not all of them caused cervical cancer and the HPV vaccine did not protect against all the strains that did cause cancer. It turned out (at the time) to be a big oversell and that the HPV vaccine mfr was a contributor to Perry's campaign.

My point about the herpes and AIDS virus is oversell also. Just create a "panic" number and ask for money and denigrate any person who questions the real extent of the threat.

That is a good point. You suprise me sometimes.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by WTF

That is a good point. You suprise me sometimes.

Actually I thought the same thing when I read the post. I just could not bring myself to say something good about a worthless Turdfly!

[CJ7]

I gave it a minute to soak in and see if it was a lucid moment from gonadfly, or if I was in a dream

then I became side tracked when I had to step over an annoying pile of bullshit

WTF +1

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I gave it a minute to soak in and see if it was a lucid moment from gonadfly, or if I was in a dream

then I became side tracked when I had to step over an annoying pile of bullshit

WTF +1

Is "gonadfly" a synonym of "turdfly?"

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Is "gonadfly" a synonym of "turdfly?"

gonads and turds are different ... except in this case

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by CJ7

gonads and turds are different ... except in this case

They appear to be interchangeable in certain circumstances!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the vaccine is there for the asking, theres no mandatory statute that makes anyone do anything.

If parents decide to protect their children the best way they think they can, its their decision. If young adults decide to protect themselves the decision is theirs.

in either case, hindsight comes into play should either decide not to, and HPV rears its ugly head and years later becomes a threat to their life.

+1

[CJ7]

bump

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by WTF

That is a good point. You suprise me sometimes.

That was just another one of my "demand evidence" posts that you dismiss. You've latched onto it because it castes Gov Perry in a bad light.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

You've latched onto it because it castes Gov Perry in a bad light.

The only thing that doesn't caste Governor Goodhair " in a bad light" is for him to do absolutely nothing.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

That was just another one of my "demand evidence" posts that you dismiss. You've latched onto it because it castes Gov Perry in a bad light.

No, I think Perry was correct in theory, he made a mistake with his hubris. Not often does he get called out by the GOP dominated legislature.


No matter had there been a tie in or not with big pharma....our Bible thumpers were not going to let common sense prevail.

I commented on this extensively when it played out. I was for Gov Perry on this one. I do not think it made him look bad, I think it made the simpletons that would rather see their daughters grow up and die of preventable cance look bad.

[Guest032516]

Well, it looks like the vaccine is working DESPITE relatively low rates of "uptake":

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/hpv-in...id=msnhp&pos=1

Key quotes:
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"Infections with the human papillomavirus tied to cervical cancer fell by more than half in U.S. teen girls after the HPV vaccine was introduced in 2006, despite high-profile controversy -- and low rates of uptake, a new study shows."

"Texas Gov. Rick Perry issued a 2007 executive order mandating that all sixth-grade girls be required to get HPV vaccinations, a move he later disavowed, and in 2011, Rep. Michele Bachmann ignited a firestorm by raising questions about the safety of the vaccine and whether it could cause "mental retardation."

"Even now, only about a third of U.S. teen girls ages 13 to 17 have had the full series of shots that prevent HPV infection, despite repeated studies that show the vaccine is safe and effective, said Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Other countries, including places such as Rwanda, have higher HPV vaccination rates than the U.S., he added"

“Rates of HPV infection targeted by the vaccine fell from 11.5 percent in 2003 to 2006 to 5.1 percent from 2007 to 2010 in girls and women ages 14 to 19, a decline of 56 percent, according to new data published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases. The effectiveness of getting at least 1 shot in the three-dose series was 82 percent, the study concluded."

"That proves that the HPV vaccine works well in that target group, Frieden added. If the U.S. had reached a rate of 80 percent vaccination, some 50,000 lifetime cases of cervical cancer could be prevented, Frieden said."
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That last quote is stunning.


If vaccinating one-third cut the incidence of the disease in half, imagine how much lower it would be if we had vaccination rates of 90% or higher.


Imagine how much money we will save in cancer treatments alone down the road.


Good on Rick Perry for implementing the program in 2006. BAD on Rick Perry for disavowing it.


So, do any of our board conspiracy theorists or Bible thumpers have a bogus "study" they would like to mention that "proves" the HPV vaccine causes death and disease?

[gnadfly]

So from your article:

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About 79 million Americans, most in their late teens and early 20s, are infected with HPV. Each year, about 14 million people become newly infected, the CDC says. About 56 million doses of HPV vaccine have been administered in the U.S. since 2006, Frieden noted.
About 19,000 cancers caused by HPV infections occur in women in the U.S. each year, according to the CDC, with cervical cancers being the most common. About 8,000 cancers caused by HPV occur each year in U.S. men; throat cancers are most common.

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Given that.


How'd you come up with the 90% of people have the HPV virus? With 300 million Americans (babies thru adults), this number works out to be about 26% of population infected. The decreasing numbers they come up with due to the limited distribution of HPV I think are quite optimistic...almost fraudulent. Not that I question the vaccines benefits or the cost of cervical cancer. I've had one co-work die of cervical cancer. She had her uterus removed but it was a slow death of around two years. I've know two co-workers that died of pancreatic cancer - both guys. I've known ZERO co-workers with throat cancer.

[Glenn Quagmire]

I wonder if the "average lifespan" would have climbed and continue to climb as it has without vaccines. I don't think so.