KRAUTHAMMER..........TIDE IS TURNING AGAINST OBAMA...

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The graph is in the link of reply #37.

OK - slowest growth in spending - if the chart properly accounts for things which is no given - he still pumped a trillion a year of deficit spending into the economy.
So, his percentage of deficit spending and his percentage contribution to total indebtedness is the highest ever!!!!
Look, I don't hate Obama. But a trillion a year in deficit spending, and not even spending it on reparations, is a sad joke.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

as I was saying...

Did you have a stroke or something? Your responses are getting lame and I'm starting to feel sorry for you. You need to up your game, say something sharp or smart or something - you have the sound of a loser. Before, at least, you sounded like an angry white man. Now, I think you are sad and dejected, and I feel like I'm kicking a man while he is down. Give me a challenge, old man!!

[Stonebear]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Why can't the common man improve his own lot in life? Is he incapable on his own? Is he overly dependent on the government? Have pride son - lift yourself up and make something of yourself before the race hustlers and welfare touts turn you into a helpless fucking baby!

You missed the point, The common man CAN. My dad is an immigrant from Europe who came here in 1961, started his own construction company, then went to night school for 23 years to learn english, get his high school diploma, college degree and a masters in engineering whole raising 4 kids & putting them thru private high schools & universities. He then ran a dept. of 600 for a city in the North East, and was an elected official in my hometown for 12 years, so don't give me the pitiful 'have pride' argument - the average immigrant has more guts & pride than you could ever muster. Imagine leaving everything you know for a CHANCE to build a better life for you & your family in a foreign country? I don't know if you could fathom it, since most people who spout the 'dependence on the Gov't' line are those who were born on third and act as if the've hit a triple.

The reason its not as possible these days is that the game is rigged & skewed to the 'haves' more than ever. You say you should do it all on your own? Well how did the 'greatest generation' usher this country into its post WWII dominance? By the GI bill - that's right a government (oooh, bad word) program designed to both reward our GIs and enhance the common good for the populace - today, that would be denounced by the tea baggers ad communist! How can the average kid go to college when their folks are paying a higher tax rates than billionaires while making less and less each year compared to the rate of inflation? Compounding this is the fact that the GOP voted, no filibustered the student loan reform that would've enabled lower & middle-class kids like me (in my day) to go to college and better their lot in life.

The crux of the debate is that some think govt has no place in our lives, while others feel that its responsibility is to make sure that the the laws are not rigged for those who would qualify for entry into the oligarchy. Hey, if someone wants to be a lazy shitbag, then screw them, but to paint those who legitimately need a break as users or takers is completely off-base.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

OK - slowest growth in spending - if the chart properly accounts for things which is no given - he still pumped a trillion a year of deficit spending into the economy.
So, his percentage of deficit spending and his percentage contribution to total indebtedness is the highest ever!!!!
Look, I don't hate Obama. But a trillion a year in deficit spending, and not even spending it on reparations, is a sad joke.

he still pumped a trillion a year deficit spending into the economy?

do yourself a favor .. look at the deficit when Obie took office,and look at it now.

[CuteOldGuy]

Uh, didn't Obama promise to cut the deficit in half during his first term? How did that work out? And with the National Debt approaching $17 trillion, don't you think something needs to be done? We've been adding the the Debt at a pace of over a trillion dollars a year. Doesn't that bother you a little bit, CBJ7?

Oh, that's right. It doesn't. Your an Obamaton, and everything, even Obama's broken promises, are Bush's fault. I wish they'd change the tape in that Great Obamatron in Chicago once in awhile. You are becoming too easy to predict, CBJ7.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Did you have a stroke or something? Your responses are getting lame and I'm starting to feel sorry for you. You need to up your game, say something sharp or smart or something - you have the sound of a loser. Before, at least, you sounded like an angry white man. Now, I think you are sad and dejected, and I feel like I'm kicking a man while he is down. Give me a challenge, old man!!

You haven't behaved well at all son. You should also consider changing your handle.

You don't need my help to show you up. You're doing just fine on your own.

Kick away... You ain't worth the shame.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Uh, didn't Obama promise to cut the deficit in half during his first term? How did that work out? And with the National Debt approaching $17 trillion, don't you think something needs to be done? We've been adding the the Debt at a pace of over a trillion dollars a year. Doesn't that bother you a little bit, CBJ7?

Oh, that's right. It doesn't. Your an Obamaton, and everything, even Obama's broken promises, are Bush's fault. I wish they'd change the tape in that Great Obamatron in Chicago once in awhile. You are becoming too easy to predict, CBJ7.

youre like a fly buzzing around a horses ass .. deficit or national debt bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Stonebear

You missed the point, The common man CAN. My dad is an immigrant from Europe who came here in 1961, started his own construction company, then went to night school for 23 years to learn english, get his high school diploma, college degree and a masters in engineering whole raising 4 kids & putting them thru private high schools & universities. He then ran a dept. of 600 for a city in the North East, and was an elected official in my hometown for 12 years, so don't give me the pitiful 'have pride' argument - the average immigrant has more guts & pride than you could ever muster. Imagine leaving everything you know for a CHANCE to build a better life for you & your family in a foreign country? I don't know if you could fathom it, since most people who spout the 'dependence on the Gov't' line are those who were born on third and act as if the've hit a triple.

The reason its not as possible these days is that the game is rigged & skewed to the 'haves' more than ever. You say you should do it all on your own? Well how did the 'greatest generation' usher this country into its post WWII dominance? By the GI bill - that's right a government (oooh, bad word) program designed to both reward our GIs and enhance the common good for the populace - today, that would be denounced by the tea baggers ad communist! How can the average kid go to college when their folks are paying a higher tax rates than billionaires while making less and less each year compared to the rate of inflation? Compounding this is the fact that the GOP voted, no filibustered the student loan reform that would've enabled lower & middle-class kids like me (in my day) to go to college and better their lot in life.

The crux of the debate is that some think govt has no place in our lives, while others feel that its responsibility is to make sure that the the laws are not rigged for those who would qualify for entry into the oligarchy. Hey, if someone wants to be a lazy shitbag, then screw them, but to paint those who legitimately need a break as users or takers is completely off-base.

You sound like classic second generation - smoked pot, lived off mom and dad's hard work, and now want the government to bail you out of your mistakes and failures. I've never said there is no place for government - but it doesn't belong everyplace - except in a nation of losers who can't do shit for themselves.
I don't notice where your dad needed too much help from the government - he pulled himself up by the bootstraps, didn't he?

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by CJ7

he still pumped a trillion a year deficit spending into the economy?

Yes, he did! For a former CFO of a large publicly held company, it should be easy for you to figure some of these things out, old man.

[Texas Contrarian]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The graph is in the link of reply #37.

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

OK - slowest growth in spending - if the chart properly accounts for things which is no given...

No, it most certainly is not a given!

That graph is the result of a disingenuous piece of "analysis" by a clueless MarketWatch columnist named Rex Nutting, which purported to show that Obama is not a "big spender." But it was thoroughly debunked almost a year ago.

A quick and easy explanation can be found in this thread:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=455840&highlight=

(Note particularly posts 10 and 14.)

[Stonebear]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

You sound like classic second generation - smoked pot, lived off mom and dad's hard work, and now want the government to bail you out of your mistakes and failures. I've never said there is no place for government - but it doesn't belong everyplace - except in a nation of losers who can't do shit for themselves.
I don't notice where your dad needed too much help from the government - he pulled himself up by the bootstraps, didn't he?

Your perception couldn't be more off base - never did drugs in my life because of the responsibility I felt to honor my heritage, my name and the opportunity this country gave my folks to come here and contribute! I've lived my life thus far with the immigrant' drive & a puritanical work ethic and hence have never needed a bailout. since your a lawyer, let me ask you, did you pay your way thru college & law school? if so, how? with mommy & daddy's money, or was it thru student loans? if thru loans, then those loans were guaranteed thru some sort of govt agency, werent they? so then how did it feel to suck off of the govt teet? now, because of the retardicans, student loan interest rates are in peril. that may be enough to deter able students to seek higher education - does that make them losers who cant do shite for themselves? Dont think so.
There's something my folks needed from the gov't - an opportunity to enter this country- that's something you & your brethren would love to deny to the next wave of immigrants. As for living off of my folks, well, wrong again! My sibs & I had to self finance 75% of our non-scholorship based tuition to get thru university. How do you think that works? By working multiple jobs & student loans.
In addition, you mention that my dad didnt need govt very much, but selectively neglected to recall from my post that he WORKED FOR THE GOVT for over 35 years in NY and was an ELECTED OFFICIAL in local govt as well. It was his govt job that provided my family with medical insurance (while paying very little by the way) while he worked 7am-5pm then went to night school until 10pm for 23 years. So, no govt didnt help at all.....
In addition, you'd be surprised that I agree that government should not be involved in some aspects of our lives but when you have one party who is so determined to legislate against basic civil rights like marriage equality & women's rights, you need a party or movement to fight for those who are being denied their constitutional rights or else what little rights they have will be legislated away by the party of 'no'

[Jewish Lawyer]

Although I'm not a Republican, I think immigration should be limited to young, healthy, hard working persons with sufficient capital to take care of themselves and contribute to America. So I do want to limit immigration to people who benefit the USA, just like every other country limits immigration and doesn't fall for anecdotal evidence that immigration is good for the country because a few people suceeded. The Boston bombers were immigrants, too.

[Stonebear]

..Anecdotal? Our country's entire history owes itself to immigration so I think your a little off on this one.
As for the Boston Bombers, wouldn't they have met YOUR criteria? Young & hard working? After all, one had a job & the other was in school....I guess you cant paint everyone with the same brush.
I noticed you didnt mention anything else about the role of govt from my previous post....

[Yssup Rider]

Dont let the dipshits get under your skin stonebear. They insist that things have to be their way or no way at all.

The very embodiment of the close minded tyranny they claim they want to destroy with their hatred, xenophobia and guns!

and don't be surprised if your points don't get addressed. Be surprised if they do.

[Stonebear]

Thanks Yssup. Its hard to have a discussion with someone when your the only one who addresses the other sides points before moving on!