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Old 11-21-2021, 04:06 PM   #766
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3.5 won’t pass. I’m thinking somewhere along the 2T mark will get passed from the senate to the house. The question will be will the house blow it all up or just eat the smaller amount. They have to consider that they’ll likely only get one shot and will need to pass this before year end to use the budget rules. And they gotta have people seeing the results of the money in real life to make it palatable.
A good prediction by you. Biden's "Build Back Better" that was passed by the house recently is right around the 2 Trillion mark.
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Old 11-21-2021, 04:41 PM   #767
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The question Biden and his sad-sack crew of clueless dim-retards keep ducking is - why in the fuck would anyone in their right minds want to pour ANOTHER humongous $5 trillion in federal spending onto the fires of a demonstrably OVERHEATED and OVER-STIMULATED economy where the inflation rate has already QUADRUPLED and there are labor shortages everywhere??
Save America. Kill the bill!
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Old 11-21-2021, 05:44 PM   #768
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What I said earlier in this thread about adav8 also applies in spades to wtf!
I'm not the one with my panties in a wad acting like I'm some fucking genius economist Voodoo economics might have fooled you and others but not me and Bush Senior!

You're a right wing snake oil salesman acting as if you're not trying to work the numbers to fit your narrative.

I care about bottom line.

I listen to CM because he speaks in economic terms from a business perspective. What is the bottom line look like. What does it look like may happen concerning the Fed Chair. Those things effect bottom lines.

You look back at what has happened and try and shade the numbers to fit some partisan narrative. That only is mildly amusing to me and does nothing for future bottom lines.

So if I appear dismissive towards you, it is because I am. You may be brilliant with numbers (imho, no) but you're not honest and really your number are backwards based and I'm more interested in the present and short term future. People that put their money where their mouths are...have the courage of thir convictions. I like discussing that much more than some what amounts to slight of hand. I may not know exactly how the trick works but I damn sure know you're not talking me into believing in magic!
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Old 11-21-2021, 05:51 PM   #769
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Save America. Kill the bill!
Ivy Leaguer, I noticed that 1b1 is banned. He can still come to eccie.net and read the posts. That is what Waco Kid did when he was banned. There are democrats who are concerned about the costs of the legislation but feel there are good investments that are needed to not go forward. Rep Stephanie Murphy is an example. The democrats feel the below items are needed.

The CBO scored the bill. They concluded that 363 billion will be added to the deficit over ten years. That is not much. There are other items that costs the government a lot more.

The new bill provides free preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds, boosts coverage of home-care costs for the elderly and disabled, significantly cuts the cost of some prescription drugs such insulin, expands affordable housing programs, increases grants for college students, and puts $550 billion toward tackling climate change.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-house-p...173637552.html
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... How much $$$ for the Wall?

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Old 11-21-2021, 06:05 PM   #771
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... How much $$$ for the Wall?

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Speaking of....didn't Trump pardon Bannon for taking money from regular folks to privately build a wall and he instead partied like a rock star with it?

I wonder if that wasn't a bone for spreading election falsehoods.

Sure would like to see Bannon testify under the prospect of perjury or have his ass thrown in jail.
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Old 11-21-2021, 06:12 PM   #772
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... Hmmmm... and yet the Biden family "enrichment deals"
don't seem to bother you at all.

.... You could surely play "TWO-FACE" in the next Batman film.

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Old 11-21-2021, 06:17 PM   #773
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... Hmmmm... and yet the Biden family "enrichment deals"
don't seem to bother at all.

.... You could surely play "TWO-FACE" in the next Batman film.

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And you can play the Fluffer in a gay porno film.

Who said I ever approved of shady dealing by either party?
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Who said I ever approved of shady dealing by either party?
Get real, punk. You've been defending the Biden Family Crime Syndicate - and all of their brazen corrupt acts - for at least 2 years now. With lame posts like this (today):

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That is the freaking Trump playbook!
You've got no game. You can't even fool an Aussie.

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... Hmmmm... So THAT is yer defence for the Bidens?
Surely figures, don't it?...

Place blame elsewhere, then surely claim to be
a Libertarian and NOT a Dem.

... That's YOUR playbook.

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.... You could surely play "TWO-FACE" in the next Batman film.
Wtf is way too fugly to play Two-Face.

Plus he has more than 2 faces. Sometimes he has 3, 4 or 5 in a single thread!

And he doesn't just flip-flop, lie, and flip-flop again... when he is called out, he constantly deflects by accusing his accuser of being the lying hypocrite!


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The new bill provides free preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds, boosts coverage of home-care costs for the elderly and disabled, significantly cuts the cost of some prescription drugs such insulin, expands affordable housing programs, increases grants for college students, and puts $550 billion toward tackling climate change.
You didn't answer the question.

Everyone knows you dim-retards want to give away an endless amount of free stuff.

Your reckless and grossly irresponsible over-spending has already quadrupled the inflation rate in less than 10 months. From 1.4% in January to 6.2% last month, according to the CPI.

The question is - why more, why now? Are you nuts?

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The question Biden and his sad-sack crew of clueless dim-retards keep ducking is - why in the fuck would anyone in their right minds want to pour ANOTHER humongous $5 trillion in federal spending onto the fires of a demonstrably OVERHEATED and OVER-STIMULATED economy where the inflation rate has already QUADRUPLED and there are labor shortages everywhere??
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Biden's "Build Back Better" that was passed by the house recently is right around the 2 Trillion mark.
Are you trying to be funny? Can I buy the Brooklyn Bridge from you too?


"House Democrats say the bill spends roughly $2 trillion over 10 years, but that’s because they use gimmicks such as phasing-out programs that they have no intention of phasing out. Independent analysts put it closer to $5 trillion over a decade if the programs are made permanent."



The Kamikaze Democrats

Pelosi and Biden march swing-district House Members to the end of their careers.


By The Editorial Board
Nov. 21, 2021 4:34 pm ET


The Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal dominated the weekend news, but the more significant story for the long run was House passage Friday of the multi-trillion-dollar tax, climate and entitlement spending bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi marched her majority off a cliff in 2010 with votes on ObamaCare, and now she has done it again.

The Speaker muscled the bill through on a 220-213 vote. No Republicans voted aye, and Rep. Jared Golden of Maine was the sole Democratic dissenter. Other swing-district Democrats had made a show of demanding concessions and a bill that “paid for itself,” but in the end the bill didn’t pay for itself even by the rigged rules of the Congressional Budget Office. But they still rolled over, as they always do when Mrs. Pelosi gives the order.

The 81-year-old Mrs. Pelosi is almost certainly retiring after this Congress, and this vote is a legacy project for her. But her younger Members will have much to explain in 2022 as they defend this gargantuan, destructive and unnecessary bill.

There’s the immigration provision that would give 6.5 million or so illegal migrants who have been in the country since 2011 a 10-year right to work in the U.S. This will probably be stripped from the bill in the Senate, but House Members will be on record for legalizing millions of migrants even as the border has become a lawless mess. The political effect will be to empower GOP restrictionists.

Then there’s the $8 billion methane “fee” that is in effect a tax on natural gas production and thus on consumer energy prices. The American Gas Association estimates this could raise the average family’s natural gas bill by 17%, so this is also a violation of President Biden’s pledge not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $400,000 a year.

Sen. Joe Manchin might strip this from the Senate bill. But Abigail Spanberger (Va.), Elissa Slotkin (Mich.), Mikie Sherrill (N.J.) and the rest are now on record as supporting higher energy prices when they are already spiking in suburban American.

The immoderate moderates also voted for a tax cut for the rich in high-tax states by raising the state-and-local tax deduction to $80,000 from $10,000. The Penn Wharton Budget Model says that the top 10% of taxpayers will get 88% of the benefit from this provision. Most of those reside in coastal states run by Democrats.

The same Democrats who campaign against inequality and for soaking the rich thus voted to give affluent taxpayers who earn up to $10 million a year a huge tax cut. The provision costs the Treasury $230 billion through 2026, after which Democrats pretend it will raise revenue. Sure it will. Mr. Golden cited this provision as the reason he voted no, and Senate Democrats may alter or nix it. But House Democrats are still on the record.

Other lowlights that may end up in Republican campaign ads include the $2.5 billion handout to trial lawyers to deduct their expenses for contingency-fee lawsuits. Don’t forget the $1.7 billion subsidy for local journalists, most of whom are left of center. Republicans will call that, not without cause, a bribe for favorable coverage.

All of this and more is part of the biggest expansion of the entitlement state since the 1960s, and maybe ever. House Democrats say the bill spends roughly $2 trillion over 10 years, but that’s because they use gimmicks such as phasing-out programs that they have no intention of phasing out. Independent analysts put it closer to $5 trillion over a decade if the programs are made permanent.

Democrats say their specific programs are popular—who doesn’t love free child care? But voters understand that nothing is free from the government, and polls are starting to show that voters think they will end up paying for it. They are right. There are only so many rich people to soak, and Democrats are cutting taxes for most of them.

Americans have also begun to link the flood of government spending to inflation, which is acting like another tax. With this bill, passed in the wake of their nationwide election drubbing this month, Democrats are underscoring that they are the inflation party.

Mrs. Pelosi promised Democrats she wouldn’t make them vote on a bill before the Senate agreed to it, but as in 2010 she’s done that again. They’ll now have to defend provisions that couldn’t pass a Democratic Senate. No wonder Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy spoke on the House floor for eight hours. He knows the Democrats were voting to make him Speaker.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-kam...2-11637362201?
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Old 11-21-2021, 07:34 PM   #778
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I'm more interested in the present and short term future.
Of course you are, Two-Face! That's why you're so obsessed with Ronnie Reagan's economic "prowess" as you like to call it. In case you didn't notice, the Gipper's been out of office for almost 33 years.

For those of you who aren't familiar with wtf's sad and sorry posting history on economic matters, this may help:

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When I first started posting in this forum years ago, there was this moron who kept bad-mouthing Ronnie Reagan's economic record. I scratched my head thinking how can anyone do that with a straight face? So I ticked off a dozen or more key economic data points that markedly improved during the Gipper's Presidency.

Well, this moron shrugged it all off and started ranting about Reagan's budget deficits. He had to strain to find a fly in the ointment that he could blow out of proportion - as if it somehow overshadowed all of Ronnie's positive economic trendlines.

After I schooled this moron by pointing out that Reagan ran deficits that were much smaller as a % of GDP than those being racked up by Obama, the guy deflected by whining about the Iran contra scandal, which had nothing to do with Reaganomics...
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Of course you are, Two-Face! That's why you're so obsessed with Ronnie Reagan's economic "prowess" as you like to call it. In case you didn't notice, the Gipper's been out of office for almost 33 years.

For those of you who aren't familiar with wtf's sad and sorry posting history on economic matters, this may help:
He’s having a tough day. He should have punched out and tried to regroup for another day.
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Here's an interesting graph, federal debt held by the public as a % of GDP,

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYGFGDQ188S

The federal debt, net of government holdings, was around 40% at the end of the Reagan Administration. That's a pretty healthy level.

You can really see the effects of spending during the 2008/2009 recession and COVID. The spike up in 2Q2020 and small spike down again in the 3Q2020 would have partly been due to lower GDP from the lockdowns -- the 2Q was when the economy bottomed.

The current level, around 100% of GDP, used to be considered the start of the danger zone for developed countries like Greece and Italy.
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