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Old 04-04-2013, 09:55 AM   #61
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Two words for you, JB...Federalist Papers.

Three more words...read and learn.
I've read them, have you? I mean, you clearly haven't even read the Second Amendment, so you probably aren't the person anyone would want to listen to regarding reading material.

Again, do you really believe you and your 10 best friends can overthrow the federal government by force? Do you really believe your personal stockpile of firearms will be needed to join a militia to fight off a foreign invasion?
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:56 AM   #62
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Sounds like you're all for Bill Ayers and the Weather underground! How about the Black Panthers, were you for them arming aganist the state?

How about that cop out in Cali....unjustly fired, you for wtf he did? (The thing you libtards don't get is that HE did what he did, not his weapon of choice. When a psycho wants to kill, they'll make it happen, regardless of the law.)

Have you figured out who that dumb SOB is that is looking back at you in the mirror?
Yep, that's me. I'm a big fan of democracy hating domestic terrorists killing their own fellow citizens to try and overthrow the Constitutional government and install socialism.

Dolt.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:08 AM   #63
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I've read them, have you? (Yes, I have, but I don't believe you have. If you did, your comprehension skills are severely lacking.) I mean, you clearly haven't even read the Second Amendment, so you probably aren't the person anyone would want to listen to regarding reading material. (See above...)

Again, do you really believe you and your 10 best friends can overthrow the federal government by force? (Who said anything about an overthrow?? We're talking about Constitutional rights here.) Do you really believe your personal stockpile of firearms will be needed to join a militia to fight off a foreign invasion? (No, I don't, but that's covered by "providing for the national defense".)
Like I said...dumber and dumber.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #64
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Default Militia (Civilians when called for service are expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves)

BEARING ARMS
SECOND AMENDMENT

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
In spite of extensive recent discussion and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an “individual rights” thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a “states’ rights” thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units.1 Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state2 or private3 restraints. The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a militia or other such public force.
In United States v. Miller,4 the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed–off-shotguns. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that “[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.”5 The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of “civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.” It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that “comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,” who, “when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”6 Therefore, “[i]n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well– regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:00 AM   #65
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Like I said...dumber and dumber.
So when you said:

"No, it was not to form militias" (in regards to the Second Amendment), you were "reading"?

We're not talking about the Constitutionally granted right to bear arms. We're talking about the necessity of the Second Amendment in modern times. If you haven't figured that out yet, then you probably want to work on your "reading."

Ah back to your bread and butter name calling once it's been pointed out again that you actually have no form of coherent argument. Here, Cartman has some pointers for you:

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Old 04-04-2013, 11:21 AM   #66
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I've read them, have you? I mean, you clearly haven't even read the Second Amendment, so you probably aren't the person anyone would want to listen to regarding reading material.

Again, do you really believe you and your 10 best friends can overthrow the federal government by force? Do you really believe your personal stockpile of firearms will be needed to join a militia to fight off a foreign invasion?
But there is your conundrum. According to Napolitano, those now and formerly vested in defending the Constitution are the "terrorists" this administration fears. This administration has openly conceded it is depending on the service of individuals it does not trust to advance its policies.
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