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[John Bull]

Lina, that's a hoot, for sure.
I do think providers are more knowledgeable and more concerned for safety. Nothing wrong with that.

[Majestycctx]

Originally Posted by sneaky88

I had 2 SB who used to be provider. They are very wonderful ladies and they told me that they enjoyed being with SD more than just a clients. Clients only come in and out. It because SD treat you like a princess. Not only just sex, but gain a friendship, willing to support you whatever you need, take you out to shopping or eating as fun date. It worth a try! From my experience they loves me and we talk every weeks and we became close without any drama. Last Summer I took one of SB to Las Vega and we had a great time! It never hurt to try and be sure to find a right SD!

I sure would love to go to Vegas! *hint hint*

[Nicolet]

I'm a little late in posting on this thread, but I was a SB for almost 30 years. I met a quiet, bookish gentleman when I was a dancer in Boston, I was in my early 20's and he was in his late 40's. I saw him through 3 wives, and here is an unusual twist, he NEVER made a pass at me, although there was one night in 2003 where he finally took a taste of me, that was all he did! I'm not sure why he chose me, but he was very good to me over the years and apparently I was to him also. He passed in 2006, God bless him. I miss him very much......

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Lina, that's a hoot, for sure.
I do think providers are more knowledgeable and more concerned for safety. Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, working there was a hoot. Every time MSNBC would air their "high end prostitution" special, next couple of days I had to make sure I don't start laughing in response to some conversations.

That particular girl ended up zeroing in on a guy who came into the office to deal with his father's estate, got pregnant in a month and finally achieved her dream.

Lina

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Yikes. Talk about painting with a broad brush.

Just true facts. I had one escort tell me she never ever went bareback. Then before I left showed me some pictures of her kids. Never I said again and she confirmed that. So I guess the kids were the first and second immaculate conceptions of the 20th century.

[Secret Encounters]

and im still in search ...... any luck ladies??

[ShysterJon]

Hello. Someone told me about this thread and asked me to weigh in on the question of whether a provider can be a good sugar baby, a topic I've opined on before. I haven't written on SD-SB issues lately, having been occupied keeping all your lame asses out of jail by writing in the legal forum. Haha. So stop getting arrested and maybe I'll have more time to pontificate on SD-SB issues. Haha. Also, the how-to thread I wrote a number of years ago, and the replies thereto seem to cover many of the possible variations on the topic and I hope it serves as a good reference for a guy thinking about becoming an SD.

I hate to draw generalizations about anything. Each situation, SD, and SB is different. But I have had two providers as SBs. And I will say, unequivocally, that I would never have a provider as a SB again.

My type of SB is a young girl on her way to somewhere else and she needs an education to get there. I assist her with tuition, books, housing, a meal plan, transportation, and other expenses so that she can concentrate on her studies and succeed. When she gets to where she wants to be, we part, but we remain friends forever.

But it's quite different with a provider who becomes a SB. To me, by nature, providing is not an activity that instills practicality, money management, education, and wholesome pursuits in the average provider. The average provider starts as the FOTM, but ends her stay in Hobby World desperate for business. However, at the end of her stay, the girl remains convinced that she's entitled to the weekly income she received when she started. That, to her, is the value of her time. But those with perhaps a better sense of economics know that value is determined by the amount paid, not the price asked.

My experience was that a provider who became a SB was a bottomless pit of need unwilling to save and work to get to a better place. Both girls made promises to eventually enroll in college but never did. So rather than having my hard-earned dollars go for tuition, books, and housing, it mostly went for bling, shopping, and various substances that facilitate what the young things call 'partying,' but which to me means sad and pointless binging.

When I grew frustrated with each girl's lack of ambition and ended the relationship, each girl went back to providing. The transition was probably easy for the girls because, I suspect, in the back of their minds they knew that if things didn't work out with me they were a BP ad from buying something to make them feel better. And that attitude undoubtedly affected our relationship so that neither of us was ever contented.

I require a traditional SD-SB relationship to be happy, with more time spent vertically than horizontally with my SB. I won't settle for anything less than a sweet, unjaded, wholesome girl, with a relatively short list of lovers. I don't want a SB that comes with worn tires from high sexual mileage.

I know my views may put me at odds with some of my sisters here, and for that I apologize. But to me, many of the relationships they describe as a 'SD-SB relationship' sound like merely a long-term provider-hobbyist, quid pro quo, money for sex, arrangement to me. The providers who say they've had a SD will nearly always tell you they've had "several," maybe several at one time. On the other hand, of my seven, long-term SBs over 19 years (each of which I saw for at least two years, and two for more than three years), never had a SD before or after me.

With the foregoing in mind, if a guy is like me in needing a fresh, young, smart, ambitious girl as his SB, do NOT expect a provider to meet those needs. (The same analysis applies to strippers, in my view, maybe even more so than providers.) You would just as soon expect a zebra to change its stripes. Use one of the good SD-SB web sites to find a girl already enrolled in college. That, in my view, will dramatically increase your chance of finding bliss with the SB of your dreams.

[Nicolet]

I'm in the [staff edit: personal information removed], only 2 years of clinicals left to do. Had to start at the bottom of the ladder, but I'm getting there!

[theotherguy1]

I attempted to start a SD/SB relationship with a provider, but it did not work out. We never actually met but little things I noticed about her inaction with myself and lack of dependability told me not to move any further into the relationship. Also, others online talked me out of it. When I told them how much, I was willing to pay per week they said that I was crazy. After reconsidering I agree with them 1000%. I haven't looked into the SD/SB relationship again because I have the funds, but I don't actually have the time to commit to anyone right now. I guess I am one of those better with business.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

I know my views may put me at odds with some of my sisters here, and for that I apologize.

Well, first of all, do you fuck your sisters? Did not think so, so unless you do or unless you happen to be a provider, lets not use the term.

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

I hate to draw generalizations about anything. Each situation, SD, and SB is different. But I have had two providers as SBs. And I will say, unequivocally, that I would never have a provider as a SB again.

So if you having two providers as SBs allows you to make this particular generalization (no matter how much you hate to do it) then me having one ex client as SO allows me to say that all former clients turn boyfriends are cheating shitheads interested in nothing but free pussy?

Now, enough with the jokes .. serious response to serious statements.

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

To me, by nature, providing is not an activity that instills practicality, money management, education, and wholesome pursuits in the average provider. The average provider starts as the FOTM, but ends her stay in Hobby World desperate for business. However, at the end of her stay, the girl remains convinced that she's entitled to the weekly income she received when she started. That, to her, is the value of her time. But those with perhaps a better sense of economics know that value is determined by the amount paid, not the price asked. My experience was that a provider who became a SB was a bottomless pit of need unwilling to save and work to get to a better place. Both girls made promises to eventually enroll in college but never did. So rather than having my hard-earned dollars go for tuition, books, and housing, it mostly went for bling, shopping, and various substances that facilitate what the young things call 'partying,' but which to me means sad and pointless binging.

Being a companion allows women luxury of making in one hour what many make in a week. Why it is so .. subject for entirely different discussion.

If a woman is not capable of utilizing the remaining 39 hours of work week to her advantage to save funds/get education/start business/get another career going, then may be she she is either not capable or not willing to so. If that is the case, she would be poor choice for a SB regardless of her current occupation is. Anyone who is into bling,shopping and various substances would be that way no matter what their job is.

Do providers make good SB? NO. But not for the reasons you have listed. Smart companions treat their job as a BUSINESS. Now, can you expect a amart business owner to give up her BUSINESS in exchange for "help with tuition, books and meals"? She would be total and complete dumb ass to do so.

Some companions approach this lifestyle as a way to make X amount of money in order to finance other endeavors. They won't make good sugar baby simply because you would have to replace their income and few prospective SDs are capable and willing to do that. Other companions are in it for life. Once again, they won;t make good SB simply because they are not interested in being dependent on someone.

Finally there are in today, out tomorrow butterflies you have described. You are more then familiar with reasons why they won't make good SB.

You are absolutely correct when you advise guys to hit up the college girls on various SD sites. For them it is not replacement of a JOB they have , it is added benefit they never had to begin with. However, as correct as you may be, it does have faint smell of being a predator preying on stupidity of young college girls. And if it walks like a duck ...

In the end of the day, sugar baby charging 700 hundred a month is no less of a hoe than anyone advertising on ECCIE. She simply happens to be a cheap hoe without reviews. Her sugar daddy is no less of a client either. He just happens to be a client who saved hundreds of dollars by convincing some girl that there is something more to their relationship than pay for play.


As for "more time spent vertically than horizontally with my SB.", I just got back home from spending evening with one of my patrons. Total amount of time spent together - 8 hours. Horizontal time - 2h. The rest of our evening together was spent discussing various topics interesting to both of us, having dinner, drinks and just having good ole time. It is POSSIBLE to have on going relationship with professional companion and actually engage in real world activities. You just have to choose well.

Lina

[ShysterJon]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

You are absolutely correct when you advise guys to hit up the college girls on various SD sites. For them it is not replacement of a JOB they have , it is added benefit they never had to begin with. However, as correct as you may be, it does have faint smell of being a predator preying on stupidity of young college girls. And if it walks like a duck ...

I think my former SBs would laugh at your suggestion that I'm a predator, or that they're stupid. With one exception, all of my SBs graduated from good colleges with my assistance. That hardly proves they lack brain power and, no offense, I would certainly compare them favorably to a numerically-similar group of providers. In each arrangement, we were both content enough to make it last for years. So rather than call me a 'predator,' my former SBs would probably call me a friend, benefactor, mentor, lover, and companion. In turn, rather than call them 'stupid,' I would call them intelligent, ambitious, sober (usually -- haha), and wholesome -- terms that I would not use to describe many providers I've met (and as a former active hobbyist and a criminal defense attorney, I've met hundreds, if not thousands, of providers.) Comparative depth, character, and achievement also distinguish a prototypical SB from a prototypical provider. (btw, I remain friends with each former SB and communicate with them regularly.)

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

In the end of the day, sugar baby charging 700 hundred a month is no less of a hoe than anyone advertising on ECCIE. She simply happens to be a cheap hoe without reviews. Her sugar daddy is no less of a client either. He just happens to be a client who saved hundreds of dollars by convincing some girl that there is something more to their relationship than pay for play.

I disagree with you that a SB is the same as a provider, another issue I've written on before. I know that some more mature providers bad-mouth SBs because they think they reduce their business. (However, I think there's a big difference in the two age groups.). But the criticism should have some basis in reality to be anything other than petty bitching. For example, it's just not reality to claim that a typical SB receives $700 a month in allowance. I think a fair, average figure in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas area is $2,000-$4,000 a month. I'm sure the number varies elsewhere, but it's far above $700. So SDs don't tend to be cheap bastards wanting cheap pussy. Those guys book a 15- or 30-minute 'blow-and-go' with a provider. Haha. SDs tend to be successful professionals who are willing to spend more money to have one SB than less money to see various providers.

A SB is NOT the same as a provider. In a traditional SD-SB relationship, a SB sees one man over time and takes part in activities with him outside the bedroom. In a traditional hobbyist-provider relationship, a provider sees any man who passes screening and only for discrete periods of time, such as 30 minutes or an hour, often (probably usually) sees him only once, and never sees him outside the bedroom. So there's a world of difference between a typical SB and a typical provider.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

A SB is NOT the same as a provider. In a traditional SD-SB relationship, a SB sees one man over time and takes part in activities with him outside the bedroom. In a traditional hobbyist-provider relationship, a provider sees any man who passes screening and only for discrete periods of time, such as 30 minutes or an hour, often (probably usually) sees him only once, and never sees him outside the bedroom. So there's a world of difference between a typical SB and a typical provider.

We can argue this into oblivion.

There are all kinds of SBs and all kinds on providers here. Some providers are dumb, some are smart, some have money management and substance control issues, some actually approach it as real business, some are only good for quick blow and go, some excel in extended engagements. Same goes for SBs. Some are greedy money grabbing hoes, some seek one man to help them through tight spot, some have GPS, some are OK with few hundred bucks a month, etc.


In the end of the day, SB/SD is pay for play and providers do not make good SBs. Have I been a SB? Yes, I was in 2.5 years exclusive SB/SD relationship. Will I ever consider it again? No way.


Being a companion is my business. It allows me to achieve certain goals in life and produces amount of income far exceeding "average allowance". To close "Ms. Lina & Co" for SD/SB arrangement would mean I will take serious pay cut. No business owner would close profitable enterprise for sake of being dependent on one customer and take 60-80% pay cut.

Once my goals are achieved and "Ms. Lina & Co" is no longer in existence, financial benefits will be the last thing I want to affect my personal relationships. But that's just me.

I am not bad mouthing SBs .. I just prefer when a spade calls itself what it is .. a spade Self delusion and denial can be dangerous way to live ones life.

Lina

[Missy Mariposa]

If a woman is not capable of utilizing the remaining 39 hours of work week to her advantage to save funds/get education/start business/get another career going, then may be she she is either not capable or not willing to so. If that is the case, she would be poor choice for a SB regardless of her current occupation is. Anyone who is into bling,shopping and various substances would be that way no matter what their job is.

Do providers make good SB? NO. But not for the reasons you have listed. Smart companions treat their job as a BUSINESS. Now, can you expect a amart business owner to give up her BUSINESS in exchange for "help with tuition, books and meals"? She would be total and complete dumb ass to do so.

Some companions approach this lifestyle as a way to make X amount of money in order to finance other endeavors. They won't make good sugar baby simply because you would have to replace their income and few prospective SDs are capable and willing to do that. Other companions are in it for life. Once again, they won;t make good SB simply because they are not interested in being dependent on someone.

I agree with this completely.

That being said, I don't think all providers are bad SBs at all. I think there are more of us that are "normal people" (going to school, working a straight job) than y'all think :P I definitely think there are the shoppers, the drug users, etc - I'm not stupid, nor am I blind - but painting people with a broad brush (much like the BB comment - I have no kids and no SO, so while I have done BB as a teenager I can assure you I haven't in the past 5 years and certainly not since I've been providing) isn't always the most accurate.

On a related note, go me - I got my college acceptance letter* and a $1500 scholarship. I save up and then pay tuition out of pocket (because I feel student loans are a HUGE racket) at 14k/year (does not include any other living expenses). I am waiting on my passport to arrive at the moment - my last two were stolen when I was being stalked in BC and the police told me "Well he's hanging out at the park across from your house, even if he is stealing your stuff we can't prove it or do anything when he's at the park try catching him in the act"

*I had done 2 years of uni in Canada but moved to the states to help a family member out financially and now that said family is okay, I am applying to colleges/figuring out where to go next. I'm working on my BFA, then my MFA. I maintain a 3.0 or above at all times. I'm geeky though - I enjoy art, video games, building pcs, taking photos, designing websites, and playing poker.

[theotherguy1]

Attend an online school, that way you can travel and still keep up with your classes. All the schools are doing it now even Harvard. I got started while in the military (always traveling). I bet 90% of the MBAs are done online now. I got my MBA from Columbia doing online, and I am enrolling in the Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) program.

Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

I agree with this completely.

That being said, I don't think all providers are bad SBs at all. I think there are more of us that are "normal people" (going to school, working a straight job) than y'all think :P I definitely think there are the shoppers, the drug users, etc - I'm not stupid, nor am I blind - but painting people with a broad brush (much like the BB comment - I have no kids and no SO, so while I have done BB as a teenager I can assure you I haven't in the past 5 years and certainly not since I've been providing) isn't always the most accurate.

On a related note, go me - I got my college acceptance letter* and a $1500 scholarship. I save up and then pay tuition out of pocket (because I feel student loans are a HUGE racket) at 14k/year (does not include any other living expenses). I am waiting on my passport to arrive at the moment - my last two were stolen when I was being stalked in BC and the police told me "Well he's hanging out at the park across from your house, even if he is stealing your stuff we can't prove it or do anything when he's at the park try catching him in the act"

*I had done 2 years of uni in Canada but moved to the states to help a family member out financially and now that said family is okay, I am applying to colleges/figuring out where to go next. I'm working on my BFA, then my MFA. I maintain a 3.0 or above at all times. I'm geeky though - I enjoy art, video games, building pcs, taking photos, designing websites, and playing poker.

[Majestycctx]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

Hello. Someone told me about this thread and asked me to weigh in on the question of whether a provider can be a good sugar baby, a topic I've opined on before. I haven't written on SD-SB issues lately, having been occupied keeping all your lame asses out of jail by writing in the legal forum. Haha. So stop getting arrested and maybe I'll have more time to pontificate on SD-SB issues. Haha. Also, the how-to thread I wrote a number of years ago, and the replies thereto seem to cover many of the possible variations on the topic and I hope it serves as a good reference for a guy thinking about becoming an SD.

I hate to draw generalizations about anything. Each situation, SD, and SB is different. But I have had two providers as SBs. And I will say, unequivocally, that I would never have a provider as a SB again.

My type of SB is a young girl on her way to somewhere else and she needs an education to get there. I assist her with tuition, books, housing, a meal plan, transportation, and other expenses so that she can concentrate on her studies and succeed. When she gets to where she wants to be, we part, but we remain friends forever.

But it's quite different with a provider who becomes a SB. To me, by nature, providing is not an activity that instills practicality, money management, education, and wholesome pursuits in the average provider. The average provider starts as the FOTM, but ends her stay in Hobby World desperate for business. However, at the end of her stay, the girl remains convinced that she's entitled to the weekly income she received when she started. That, to her, is the value of her time. But those with perhaps a better sense of economics know that value is determined by the amount paid, not the price asked.

My experience was that a provider who became a SB was a bottomless pit of need unwilling to save and work to get to a better place. Both girls made promises to eventually enroll in college but never did. So rather than having my hard-earned dollars go for tuition, books, and housing, it mostly went for bling, shopping, and various substances that facilitate what the young things call 'partying,' but which to me means sad and pointless binging.

When I grew frustrated with each girl's lack of ambition and ended the relationship, each girl went back to providing. The transition was probably easy for the girls because, I suspect, in the back of their minds they knew that if things didn't work out with me they were a BP ad from buying something to make them feel better. And that attitude undoubtedly affected our relationship so that neither of us was ever contented.

I require a traditional SD-SB relationship to be happy, with more time spent vertically than horizontally with my SB. I won't settle for anything less than a sweet, unjaded, wholesome girl, with a relatively short list of lovers. I don't want a SB that comes with worn tires from high sexual mileage.

I know my views may put me at odds with some of my sisters here, and for that I apologize. But to me, many of the relationships they describe as a 'SD-SB relationship' sound like merely a long-term provider-hobbyist, quid pro quo, money for sex, arrangement to me. The providers who say they've had a SD will nearly always tell you they've had "several," maybe several at one time. On the other hand, of my seven, long-term SBs over 19 years (each of which I saw for at least two years, and two for more than three years), never had a SD before or after me.

With the foregoing in mind, if a guy is like me in needing a fresh, young, smart, ambitious girl as his SB, do NOT expect a provider to meet those needs. (The same analysis applies to strippers, in my view, maybe even more so than providers.) You would just as soon expect a zebra to change its stripes. Use one of the good SD-SB web sites to find a girl already enrolled in college. That, in my view, will dramatically increase your chance of finding bliss with the SB of your dreams.

HELLO SHYSTERJON!!!