HILLARY CLINTON CULABLE FOR BENGHAZI FROM BEGINNING TO END.........

[CJ7]

youre an idiot parroting talking points .. stick your timeline up JD ass

yes Obie gave the go order regardless what Beck said, no there was never enough time to save anyone in either attack ..

yes C110 (MSOTF) could land at Benghazi, no Charlie company (MSOTF) couldn't have couldn't have hiked 30 miles to the consulate, no a MPC couldn't have carried enough armored humv's to transport a SO company without having 2 planes

and no you don't have a fucking clue because you haven't done your homework and your sources wont print anything they don't want their trained idiots to know , and youre a trained idiot

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

youre an idiot parroting talking points .. stick your timeline up JD ass

yes Obie gave the go order regardless what Beck said, no there was never enough time to save anyone in either attack ..

yes C110 (MSOTF) could land at Benghazi, no Charlie company (MSOTF) couldn't have couldn't have hiked 30 miles to the consulate, no a MPC couldn't have carried enough armored humv's to transport a SO company without having 2 planes

and no you don't have a fucking clue because you haven't donre your homework and your sources wont print anything they don't want their trained idiots to know , and youre a trained idiot

Odumbo gave no such order, CBJ7. Lie and deflect as you are wont to do, but Hicks and Thompson testified before Congress yesterday that Odumbo did not activate FEST -- a unit specifically set-up, paid for and trained with U.S. taxpayer dollars to execute exactly these missions. Further, the military personnel on-hand in Tripoli were told to stand down! The Sixth Fleet has nearly 200 assigned aircraft and exactly zero were sent for fly-overs. Hicks stated it was his belief that such a fly-over would have warded off the second attack. And let it be remembered, BEFORE THE ATTACK EVEN TOOK PLACE, HildaBeast reduced security personnel while tasking Stevens to work in Benghazi. Those are the facts, CBJ7!

[CJ7]

I don’t know why,” Hicks said when asked why the team was told not to go to Benghazi. “[There] was every reason to continue to believe that our personnel was in danger.”
The team “could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said on Wednesday. “We responded quickly that evening. We’ve gone through that timeline extensively.”
Little said the events were “against a backdrop of uncertainty and threats to diplomatic missions throughout the region. There was nothing this team could have done to assist” because the attacks in Benghazi were already over.

[CJ7]

FEST wasn't authorized, that's a true statement .. but

the enemy attack began at 2142 and all US personnel were out of the consulate by 2330. By 2330, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the foreign service information officer, Sean Smith, were dead. President Obama was briefed at 2300 and SOF were approved to launch from Croatia (C-110) and the United States (Delta Force) at 0239 and 0253 respectively. At 0515, the attack began against the annex. Doherty and Woods were killed by mortar fire shortly thereafter.

Obama gave the launch order at 0239. The mystery operator said 4-6 hours. That's 0639-0839. Woods and Doherty died at 0515. An Air Force C-17 was evacuating personnel from the Benghazi airport at 0740. Mystery man and Fox News can't add. Strike one.
For argument's sake, assume Obama gave the launch order 10 minutes after he met with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta at 2300. Four to six hours turns into 0310-0510. Six hours, however, would have been impossible

** the mystery operator was reported by Fox News... who else.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

FEST wasn't authorized, that's a true statement .. but

the enemy attack began at 2142 and all US personnel were out of the consulate by 2330. By 2330, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the foreign service information officer, Sean Smith, were dead. President Obama was briefed at 2300 and SOF were approved to launch from Croatia (C-110) and the United States (Delta Force) at 0239 and 0253 respectively. At 0515, the attack began against the annex. Doherty and Woods were killed by mortar fire shortly thereafter.

Obama gave the launch order at 0239. The mystery operator said 4-6 hours. That's 0639-0839. Woods and Doherty died at 0515. An Air Force C-17 was evacuating personnel from the Benghazi airport at 0740. Mystery man and Fox News can't add. Strike one.
For argument's sake, assume Obama gave the launch order 10 minutes after he met with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta at 2300. Four to six hours turns into 0310-0510. Six hours, however, would have been impossible

** the mystery operator was reported by Fox News... who else.

CBJ7, you've documented the leadership failures, but you're Kool Aid blinders keep you from seeing it.

[CJ7]

the only failure on this entire thread is your inability to process timelines and deal with reality

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the only failure on this entire thread is your inability to process timelines and deal with reality

As you've pointed out, CBJ7, Odumbo was briefed at 2300 and SOF were approved to launch from Croatia (C-110) at 0239 and the United States (Delta Force) as approved at 0253. It took Odumbo almost four hours to make a decision when time was critical; that's a leadership problem. Furthermore, you still haven't dealt with this administration's failure to responsibly deal with known security issues in Libya during the months leading up to the Benghazi attack: 10 Special Forces personnel were withdrawn from Libya in August!

[Guest032516]

Of course, one way to deal with "known security issues" in Libya in the months leading up to the Benghazi attack would have been to withdraw personnel from Libya in August.

That way the bad guys don't have as many targets.

[CJ7]

that's not a leadership problem, that is , in fact. LEADERSHIP and understanding what risks await the SO's that were authorized to dispatch ... Custer and his kneejerk reaction at Little Big Horn is proof of a leadership problem.. Again, you don't have a clue about the reality of the entire scenario.

Had Obama actually had the time required to actually put boots on the ground, you and the rest of the idiot military pundits would have been on the roof tops screaming all about how he started a needless war .. had one single soldier been killed you and Team Moron would have gone apeshit because he failed to take the time to check all of his bases before he sent in the soldiers, and got tem killed.

you and the kids that pat you on the ass are no more than fence sitters waiting to take sides, regardless which side, as long as it can support your political position .. facts, reality be damned.

[nevergaveitathought]

id still like to know where obama was that night.

yeah its more than evident he lied about having given the military the order to do everything possible

here is obama's statement

“The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive, to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe.”

was his order disobeyed? nah it would have had to be in writing, so yeah he lied.

but where exactly was he all night?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CJ7

Had Obama actually had the time required to actually put boots on the ground, .....

He did.... of course, "in reality" he doesn't "put" anything on the ground in the way of boots ... tennis and golf shoes, yea, but not BOOTS ... his or otherwise.

You all can piss and moan back and forth about "timelines" ... toss out all the "jargon" and bullshit along with it ... and sprnkle it with name calling, but the FACTS are ....

... that hostility toward the U.S. existed "in country" ... isolated nonmilitary and military personnel were at risk without adequate "back up" and "support" present 24/7 and ready and pre-authorized to make a rapid response to PREVENT or DETER a potential threat.

He's the CIC and "the buck stops on his desk! It's NONLEADERSHIP!

[CJOHN]

NO More money..... spent all their war money... don't you see the united states and texas are not trying to STEAL from johnny...lol

edit: cap lock was set for Virtaul machine
edit: do you mean not just johnny but anyone and everyone

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

He did.... of course, "in reality" he doesn't "put" anything on the ground in the way of boots ... tennis and golf shoes, yea, but not BOOTS ... his or otherwise.

You all can piss and moan back and forth about "timelines" ... toss out all the "jargon" and bullshit along with it ... and sprnkle it with name calling, but the FACTS are ....

... that hostility toward the U.S. existed "in country" ... isolated nonmilitary and military personnel were at risk without adequate "back up" and "support" present 24/7 and ready and pre-authorized to make a rapid response to PREVENT or DETER a potential threat.

He's the CIC and "the buck stops on his desk! It's NONLEADERSHIP!

and you, like the rest of the people that are basically clueless about Benghazi are free to call it anything you want to.

Welcome to America

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

that's not a leadership problem, that is , in fact. LEADERSHIP and understanding what risks await the SO's that were authorized to dispatch ... Custer and his kneejerk reaction at Little Big Horn is proof of a leadership problem.. Again, you don't have a clue about the reality of the entire scenario.

Had Obama actually had the time required to actually put boots on the ground, you and the rest of the idiot military pundits would have been on the roof tops screaming all about how he started a needless war .. had one single soldier been killed you and Team Moron would have gone apeshit because he failed to take the time to check all of his bases before he sent in the soldiers, and got tem killed.

you and the kids that pat you on the ass are no more than fence sitters waiting to take sides, regardless which side, as long as it can support your political position .. facts, reality be damned.

Despite an increasing number of hostile incidents in Libya, HildaBeast negligently assigned Stevens tasks in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11 while simultaneously reducing security in the months leading up to September 11th. HildaBeast's negligence created a trip-wire situation that could have lead this country into war -- not avoid it.

Finally found out the Sixth Fleet's disposition: there were no U.S. Navy vessels within 400 miles of Libya, Tunisia or Egypt (the nearest was the USS McFaul (DDG-74) which was off Crete ) -- on the eve of 9/11: that's a leadership issue.

Why jets on Sigonella less than 500 miles away from Benghazi weren't scrambled remains an unanswered question.

You're wrong on another issue, CBJ7. Soldiers and Marines are supposed to be in place to protect ambassadors. Whereas it is always regrettable when soldiers or Marines should die while performing their missions, it's their job to intercede and protect ambassadors in hostile situations. It's a failure of leadership when U.S. Ambassadors are killed because adequate security personnel were not provided for their safety.

[CJOHN]

once was a great nation is now resort to STEALING.... what happen?

1. unprovoked war... to STEAL
2. war machine need to make their money " ex. by building a lot of surplus " and what happen when new thing cum along
3. when key infrastructure need fixing and is NOT