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[Guest110920]

Originally Posted by watchoutthegameisrigged

I don't think you are "know it all Spanky". I do think your thoughts are well organized. So I'm just coming in around the edges, scatter shooting to add to your points and adding
points on top of yours, perhaps a few points you haven't addressed in my view. We
could damn near write a book on this subject. It's nice to see a few newbies saying this is helpful. Ladies have not chimed in but I suspect they are happy we are at least trying to make their lives a tad bit easier.

Yes, understandably many ladies don't necessarily want to post in here (a couple have braved it however), but some have reached out privately and said they appreciate it. I'm glad, I want it to make things better for them too, and I know you do as well.

[watchoutthegameisrigged]

Yes, I stand corrected. A couple of ladies have chimed in here.

[Trinity Kane]

Originally Posted by SpankyJ

I've seen it, it's great! Wouldn't be a bad idea to post it in here if you find it.

Fuck You, You're Fired

So the last couple of weeks I have dealt with a lot of bullshit. Not only have I been dealing with bullshit, but so have some other ladies I know. So in light of these past situations I have decided to post about it.



1. What GFE really is.



The girlfriend experience is to give you exactly what you may or may not be missing in the bedroom. I say may not be missing because as we all know some of your are not single, you just like fucking hot hookers. ( I can't blame you I like it too.) Anyway, GFE is designed to give you everything you want and more, this kissing and hugging and licking and fucking like there is no tomorrow.



The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional hooker or escort offers; it varies widely from person to person, however. There is a focus on not just having sex, but also having more of a comprehensive experience. Often sessions last longer and are "no rush," which means the provider spends the full advertised time rather than rushing out after the sex is over. Common activities usually offered by GFE escorts include kissing and/or French kissing, cuddling and foreplay..



A provider advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides (LFK) (DFK), "full service" (intercourse in many different positions) usually with protection unless she's a fucking idiot with a death wish, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Providers choice really. This is to make you feel like the only man in the world during your time together and leave you completely and utterly satisfied after the session.



( this is where it gets good and is going to start pissing people off)



NO WHERE in that job description does it say I have to FUCKING BABY YOU!!!!! I am NOT your GIRLFRIEND or your MOTHER!!!! Don't text my fucking phone at all hours of the day and night then have the nerve and audacity to get upset when I don't respond. Are you Kidding me?? Let's be real here.



Hmm, Did you ever happen to think that maybe the Hooker is sucking someone else's cock at the moment? Or maybe, just maybe, I am spending quality time with my children? Perhaps I was having lunch with my mother and grandma, or helping clean her house. (She's in her 80's you know) Maybe I was helping my sister move her things back home because the asshole she was with started abusing her. (true story)



I have a life outside of this hobby. I'm a Mother, a Sister, a Daughter and a Granddaughter. I love my career, but I do not confuse the fantasy I work in with the life I live. I have a family to take care of. I'm not looking for prince charming to come out of no where and save me from this hobby. This is My Choice. I'm not Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman!! I don't need to be saved. There is a fine line here that is being crossed.



My point is I'm a hooker. The woman you pay to suck you off. To give you a good time. Please do not confuse a business relationship with a personal relationship. And please don't take this out of proper context. I enjoy the time I spend with my clients. Without YOU GUYS, I wouldn't have a career at all. Do I believe that we can be friends. Yes, however it is in a business sense only. My job is not to coddle you, it's to make you cum, sometimes repeatedly.



Trust me honey, you don't want me as your girlfriend. I'm way more expensive that way. Plus you will have to put of with me bitching, taking your paycheck, and never giving you any pussy cause I'm so busy working that I don't want to fuck you. I fuck for a living, I don't want to fuck for free. And anyone who knows me knows that you have a lot of nerve asking me to.



So with that being said I have some new rules.



1. Do not text my phone 24 hours a day with meaningless bullshit.

If you do, FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED

(text or call to make an appointment, yes. I would love to see you.)



2.Do not try to save me from this Hobby. I LOVE MY JOB!!

FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED



3. If you want to spend time with me and not pay for it

FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED



4. If you think you can take me to dinner and not pay for my time

FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED



5. If you fall in love with me... guess what

FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED



6. Want me to baby you and act like your mother

FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED

(unless this is a fetish and you want me to dress you up in diapers. but again there is another fine line here, if you shit or piss on yourself during this time once again FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FIRED)




This is really a simple process.



Make the call, set the appointment, follow through and please be on time (both provider and hobbyist) then fuck like there is no tomorrow!!! Come in, get your dick sucked, pay the hooker and move on!!! This is not a hard process yet lately it has been being made more and more difficult. If you want to see me please call and schedule. If your thinking about it, don't call until you are sure that you will be able to follow through.



Now I'm not saying don't call or pm to pre-book. I understand that things will happen with business men and their schedules. You have clients, they get pissed off, you have to handle that. I get it, and I understand. But don't call me and say you want to get together at 8 and then text me at 7:55 with some bullshit story about your dog dying. Let's be real here, your girlfriend came home from work early or decided to call in so you can't make it. I will always and forever respect real over bullshit any given day.



Ladies and Gentlemen of the board, I would love your input here. I mean, am I wrong here? How much bullshit do we have to put up with? Last time I checked this job was to satisfy men and fulfill fantasies in the bedroom. Nothing more and most definitely nothing less.

And if I missed anything, by all means add on

[Trinity Kane]

Here you go as requested.

[Guest110920]

Originally Posted by Trinity Kane

Here you go as requested.

Thank you!

[Trinity Kane]

Originally Posted by SpankyJ

Thank you!

Sure thing. I think this thread was a great idea. It gives new hobbyist so many different insights and views to go on from more seasoned hobbyist and providers. With all the information here and in the connected threads posted you really can't go wrong unless you just don't follow the guidelines.

[Guest110920]

Originally Posted by Trinity Kane

Sure thing. I think this thread was a great idea. It gives new hobbyist so many different insights and views to go on from more seasoned hobbyist and providers. With all the information here and in the connected threads posted you really can't go wrong unless you just don't follow the guidelines.

Thank you! I'm really glad that you like it. I invite you and any other providers to chime in if you have any commentary on the advice given here or further suggestions. There is great value in having the provider perspectives too, I think.

[Guest110920]

Sometimes hobbyists will want to ensure that they have a session with someone even if their first choice falls through for some reason. They schedule an appointment with two providers at the same time, or during a relatively short duration of time. If for some reason the first provider cancels or doesn't follow through, the second provider would get the appointment. If the appointment with the first provider happens, the second gets cancelled on or worse, NCNS (No Call, No Show).

Don't do this. First of all, it's just a shitty thing to do. The backup provider is most frequently getting screwed over in this situation. She may have rescheduled her day and spent time getting ready for you. Worse, she may have turned down another appointment where she could have made some money.

If you don't care about it being a shitty thing to do, consider your own self interest: you have a pretty good chance of getting caught, because providers talk to each other. If they talk to each other and find out you scheduled both of them around the same time, there's a couple of things they may think:

1. They realize one of them is your backup plan. Now you have two providers upset with you.

2. If it's for outcall, they could think you are someone who has an incentive to get multiple providers to the same place in a short amount of time. Hmm, who would have such an incentive? Someone who might hope to arrest and imprison them perhaps...

I don't do this. Never have, never will. And yeah, it's cost me on occasion when something has fallen through and I didn't get to hobby that day. It sucked but I'd rather it be that way than contribute to adversarial provider-client relations that promote distrust and suspicion between us. We could all do with less of that.

Note that there's nothing inherently wrong with having a backup plan as long as your backup knows about it. I've had providers tell me "next time that happens, call me - I got you" when I've told them about flake outs. That's fine, but it's far, far different than setting up appointments you have no intention of honoring.

[Trinity Kane]

Originally Posted by SpankyJ

Sometimes hobbyists will want to ensure that they have a session with someone even if their first choice falls through for some reason. They schedule an appointment with two providers at the same time, or during a relatively short duration of time. If for some reason the first provider cancels or doesn't follow through, the second provider would get the appointment. If the appointment with the first provider happens, the second gets cancelled on or worse, NCNS (No Call, No Show).

Don't do this. First of all, it's just a shitty thing to do. The backup provider is most frequently getting screwed over in this situation. She may have rescheduled her day and spent time getting ready for you. Worse, she may have turned down another appointment where she could have made some money.

If you don't care about it being a shitty thing to do, consider your own self interest: you have a pretty good chance of getting caught, because providers talk to each other. If they talk to each other and find out you scheduled both of them around the same time, there's a couple of things they may think:

1. They realize one of them is your backup plan. Now you have two providers upset with you.

2. If it's for outcall, they could think you are someone who has an incentive to get multiple providers to the same place in a short amount of time. Hmm, who would have such an incentive? Someone who might hope to arrest and imprison them perhaps...

I don't do this. Never have, never will. And yeah, it's cost me on occasion when something has fallen through and I didn't get to hobby that day. It sucked but I'd rather it be that way than contribute to adversarial provider-client relations that promote distrust and suspicion between us. We could all do with less of that.

Note that there's nothing inherently wrong with having a backup plan as long as your backup knows about it. I've had providers tell me "next time that happens, call me - I got you" when I've told them about flake outs. That's fine, but it's far, far different than setting up appointments you have no intention of honoring.

Do not and I repeat do not double book providers. This can get you black listed where no provider will agree to see you bc you will be labeled as a time waster, NCNS ETC. YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. WE CALL THAT PLAN A,B.

The ladies on this board do their best to respond in a timely manner. It may not always be right away bc of appointments taking place or personal lives but they will respond. The best way to set an appointment is to plan ahead. Contact the provider, talk via PM and set your appointment. Confirm with them an hour or two in advance to ensure your still on for the date. And stay in contact with them. This is the normal process.

If you double book with me and I contact the other provider to find out that you canceled on me for them you will no longer have an opportunity to see me. You will be added to the
Fuck You Your Fired list for wasting my time.

[Trinity Kane]

https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1824168

Perfect example

[Guest110920]

Originally Posted by Trinity Kane

Do not and I repeat do not double book providers. This can get you black listed where no provider will agree to see you bc you will be labeled as a time waster, NCNS ETC. YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. WE CALL THAT PLAN A,B.

The ladies on this board do their best to respond in a timely manner. It may not always be right away bc of appointments taking place or personal lives but they will respond. The best way to set an appointment is to plan ahead. Contact the provider, talk via PM and set your appointment. Confirm with them an hour or two in advance to ensure your still on for the date. And stay in contact with them. This is the normal process.

If you double book with me and I contact the other provider to find out that you canceled on me for them you will no longer have an opportunity to see me. You will be added to the
Fuck You Your Fired list for wasting my time.

There you go, newbie gents. Getting caught double booking is an excellent way to get on providers' DNS (Do Not See) lists. There aren't many areas in this guide where I unequivocally state that my way is the right way. In this case though, I can't think of any situation where double booking is the right answer. So don't do it.

What do do instead? Pick the lady you want. Then do just as Trinity advised. Plan ahead as much as possible. Stay in communication. Confirm your plans and leave nothing to chance. If it still somehow falls through after your best effort to make it work, you can:

1. Post in the Requests and ISOs forum for someone available on short notice.
2. Check if any providers you've seen before might be available on short notice.
3. Play another day.

#3 isn't what any of us want, but sometimes that's just the way it is. It's happened to me and it will happen to you at some point, very likely.

[Guest110920]

More acronyms...

TCB: "Taking Care of Business". Generally refers to how easy (or difficult) it is to set an appointment up and get in the same room with a provider. Includes things like timeliness of response after initial contact and timeliness / clarity of responses to questions, keeping you informed about changes, communicating her location in a timely manner, etc.

Example: "She has great TCB skills and kept me informed every step of the way."

BCD: "Behind Closed Doors". The things that happen between two consenting adults during an appointment.

Example: "While her TCB was a bit lacking, she was excellent BCD."

These often mentioned in reviews.

[Guest110920]

I know more ladies read than post - I'm looking for ideas for anything else that should be covered. Providers (or anyone) feel free to PM me if you have suggestions for topics. I won't use your name unless you want me to.

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by SpankyJ

More acronyms...

TCB: "Taking Care of Business". Generally refers to how easy (or difficult) it is to set an appointment up and get in the same room with a provider. Includes things like timeliness of response after initial contact and timeliness / clarity of responses to questions, keeping you informed about changes, communicating her location in a timely manner, etc.

Example: "She has great TCB skills and kept me informed every step of the way."

BCD: "Behind Closed Doors". The things that happen between two consenting adults during an appointment.

Example: "While her TCB was a bit lacking, she was excellent BCD."

These often mentioned in reviews.

Has the "Hobby Acronyms" sticky thread in the Main Discussion Forums been mentioned yet?

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=8752 (if it hasn't; my apologies for the duplication if it has)

The original post in that thread lists all the acronyms above, and hundreds more. The follow-on posts are extensive, but pretty much cover a lot of them that didn't make the original post.

Cheers,

bcg

[Guest110920]

Reviews are one of your best tools for doing research to decide who you want to spend some time with. Pictures might give you an idea of someone to see, but reviews can help you decide if it's a good idea.

Some things to keep in mind when reading reviews:

Reviews aren't always accurate. If, say, 24 of a provider's 25 reviews list CBJ and the latest one lists BBBJ, it's possible there was a menu change - but more likely some wishful thinking was going on, or maybe just the reviewer accidentally typed the wrong acronym.

Even without inaccuracies, each individual reviewer's biases, tastes, and preferences come into play.

For both of the reasons above, it's a better idea to consider a provider's reviews in total (or at least the most recent ones if she has a lot) than giving too much credence to any one, individual review.

A recent poll I posted (https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2144498) showed that nearly 18% of clients will not see a provider if she has any "no" reviews - i.e., reviews where the overall recommendation from the reviewer was a "no". I think that's unfortunate, because I know some very good providers that have gotten a "no" on occasion, sometimes for reasons beyond their control or sometimes because the client and provider just didn't have good chemistry. It could also be that a good provider just had a bad day. You may miss out on some good providers if you automatically disqualify them due to having a "no" review. However, if you see multiple "no" reviews, especially if they occurred around the same general span of time, that could be a cause for concern.

Be aware that sometimes a "yes" is actually a "no" in disguise. For various reasons, reviewers may hesitate to give an overall "no" recommendation, but when reading the ROS (Rest of the Story) section of the review, it becomes apparent that the client's expectations weren't met in some way or the overall tone isn't indicative of a good experience. It may just be lack of chemistry or may be something more tangible.

You can only see the ROS section if you have premium access, but in my opinion it is the most important part of the review, certainly it is the most helpful to me in terms of decision making. You can pay for premium access or earn it by posting your own reviews. More on that in the upcoming "Writing Reviews" section.

It's best to get your information about donation amounts from the provider's showcase rather than her reviews. Donations listed on reviews might be from review specials or other specials (supposed to be noted as such but might not be), grandfathered rates (prior rates still allowed to existing clients after a rate change), tips included in donation, errors, etc.

It's not necessarily a sign of trouble if a lady doesn't have many reviews. Some providers don't want reviews, and so don't have very many of them. If in doubt, and if you have premium access, you can always ask about a provider in the Men's Lounge.

Over time, you may learn that your tastes and preferences are similar to particular reviewers and in those cases it might be desirable to give their reviews more weight in your decision making process.