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Originally Posted by Jacuzzme
Let me know when there’s a vaccine. At the moment, we’ve got people freaking out about people spreading a disease they don’t have to other people who are vaccinated against it. Call me crazy, but I don’t think that’s ideally how a vaccination should work.
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We have several vaccines. Kinda confused where you're going with this, tbh. Vaccinated people ~tend~ to be fine. But in large numbers, even a very small percentage can lead to severe consequences. 99% survival rate sounds great, but a 1% mortality for a 300 million population system is a 3 million death count, which is more death than all other causes combined. Sure, it's an oversimplification, but the point is small percentages can't be discounted. There's a reason we leave the data analysis to the PhDs. So yes, I'll call you crazy because, to be blunt, it doesn't matter how you think a vaccine should work. This isn't your field of expertise, so just because a solution doesn't make sense to you doesn't take away from its validity. Sorry, it's pretty blunt and rude, but it is what it is: you don't know what you're talking about. I've got a master's in biomedical sciences and am currently a med student with several years of clinical experience, but I'm no expert either. Read what the epidemiologists are saying. Don't try and theorycraft for yourself.
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Originally Posted by berryberry
Do you believe Senile Biden and the federal government should be blocking any potential lifesaving treatment for Covid (which includes the distribution of monoclonal antibody treatments) in the U.S.
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Ok. Direct answer: absolutely. Again, monoclonal antibodies are not the end-all-be-all. There are very specific situations to use them, and they are very expensive. Florida, along with the other 6 states who were limited, were using up 70% of the nation's supply. Even after the limit, Florida still had the nation's highest distribution. The issue is that doctors in these states were just ordering MABs for basically all COVID patients, and it's not actually effective against all cases. So yes, if a few states are taking up a vast majority of the nation's supply, absolutely they should be limited.
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Originally Posted by bambino
I had Covid in March. Wasn’t any worse than any other bug I’ve had in my life. Maybe I was lucky. In my circumstance, I see no reason to take the “good hostage”. I’m in hospitals everyday. Don’t kid yourself. The vaxed are there too. And some are dying. Depends on age and co-morbidities. The MNra jabs are not vaccines, but treatments. Experimental ones at that. Vaers confirms that there’s more deaths and adverse consequences from these “vaccines” than all others combined in the last 15yrs. Where there’s smoke there’s fire eh? But now we’re in the Omnicron phase of the virus, which by all accounts is mild. Why take an experimental jab now? The survival rate for the original variants was 99%, depending on age. Why not take your chances of getting Omnicron and establishing natural immunity which is tried and true over a thousand years? I’m for people making their on decisions. Do what you feel is right for you.
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Dude, what? Ok, bit by bit
1) Yes, you were probably lucky. There's a reason why we don't use anecdotal data.
2) Yes, there are vaccinated people in the hospital with COVID. That being said, they are ~significantly~ outnumbered by the unvaccinated. We're talking like 1:100 ratios. Even then, the vaccinated are, by and large, immunocompromised (organ transplants, genetic disorders, etc.) whereas the unvaccinated patients don't even necessarily have comorbidities before require hospitalization.
3) Do you know what a vaccine is, and what a treatment is? A vaccine prepares your immune system against a potential incoming threat. A treatment is a therapy used to target a threat that is already present. There are exactly 0 reasons to give the "mRNA jab" to someone who already has COVID (thereby excluding it from the definition of what a treatment is). The mRNA vaccine stimulates the body to produce a protein found on the virus (without the virulence of the microorganism) and prepares it to fight the virus if the body ever encounters it (thereby fitting it neatly in the definition of a vaccine).
4) The Pfizer vaccine is fully FDA approved, which removes it from the "experimental" category.
5) VAERS is individual reporting. As it happens, people suck at differentiating between correlation and causation. For example, a statistically significant number of professional hockey players were born in the early months of the year. Does that mean birth month actually causes a person to be better at hockey? Certainly not. A quick google search will reveal the actual relationship between the variables for those curious.
Actual analyses done (like this one:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2787361) show that adverse effects are exceedingly rare.
6) Omicron is a variant, not a phase. But yes, initial data suggests it appears to be milder than previous variants. You got one thing right. But the transmissibility increase significantly outweighs the reduction in severity.
7) Natural immunity sure is tried and true over thousands of years. We as a race have survived so far right? Granted we had things like the Bubonic plague, which wiped out a third of Europe. Or we had things like polio, which essentially removed any quality of life for patients.
8) I'm all for people making their own informed decisions... keyword there being "informed".
