Biden Says if You Can't Figure Out if You Support Him or Trump, 'Then You Ain't Black'

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Two questions:

1. Do you believe Biden is going to pursue policies like the Green New Deal and sharply higher taxes on corporations and wealthier Americans, like he's been saying he will? Or is this just his strategy to win the election, and he'll come back towards the center assuming he wins?

2. Any thoughts now on when the far left is likely to control the federal government? Could it be just around the corner instead of 5 or 10 years down the road?

I got this..

1. I don't think the Green New Deal will be a serious issue, but higher taxes definitely will be.

Originally Posted by friendly fred

Yes indeed. Do you find Stacy Abrams to be:

a. Obese
b. morbidly obese

I got this..

somewhere in-between. she is more than obese, but she's too young and healthy-looking at her weight and size for me to say morbidly obese.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by eccielover

His information was released as part of his last physical in 2019. That's the latest I could find.

He is technically obese by just a bit.

243? is that in with his height and build? sounds too low. i thought he'd be around 260 - 270.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I got this..

somewhere in-between. she is more than obese, but she's too young and healthy-looking at her weight and size for me to say morbidly obese.

Here's another one. Would you bang Stacy Abrams for

a. Free
b. $100
c. $1000
d. None of the above

To clarify, she'd pay you $100 or $1000.

My answer is "d". However I'd pay $500 to bang AOC or Ilhan Omar.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

Ahh, so sheer speculation on your part on an upcoming set of votes that haven't taken place yet based on a sampling of public opinion polls at a random time before the election.

Back after Wuhan was first breaking out his approval ratings were near highs and that was after 3 years of tweeting.

But my original confusion was simply in you using "have probably cost", when based on this response you should have said "will probabaly cost"

And yes opinions will indeed vary on the impacts of his tweets.

The polls on Trump's approval ratings have been rather consistent -- negative since February of 2017. The closest his approval rating has been based on ALL polls is -3.9% back in late March of this year when the ratings surged as they always do when the POTUS faces a crisis. Bush's ratings jumped something like 30% after 9-11. Prior to that leap, Trump's approval ratings were minus double digits for years with an exception or two where they were just under double digits, and they are back to minus double digits today.

Opinions are very hard to justify.

Some have the opinion that debates between Trump and Biden will cost Biden votes? How do you prove that?

Some say Biden's gaffes will cost him votes. How do you prove that?

Some believe the Tara Reade scandal will cost Biden votes? How do you prove that?

I believe Trump's tweets have cost him votes. How do I prove that?

Almost impossible.

Again, I have to rely on polls. True or not.

Poll: Voters say Trump’s Twitter use could cost him reelection

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...witter-1295248

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Tiny

A year or two ago you and The Mystic kindly answered my question, whether you thought Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and like minded politicians would hold the reins after the 2020 election. If I remember correctly, your answer was a lot like HedonistForever's post,

I believe you went on to say that come 2024 or 2026, watch out, given the demographics in America (more people who are young now will be voting, and baby boomers will be passing away). The far left may control the Democratic Party and the country.

While I share your view that Obama and Biden are not socialists, they would have moved America farther to the left if they had the opportunity. During their first two years they were constrained by a recession, so couldn't, for example, boost taxes a lot. And after the first two years, they were constrained by Republicans controlling one or both houses of Congress.

Biden moved to the left during this election season to get the Democratic nomination. He's allowing Bernie Sanders to help write the Democratic Party's platform, by appointing 40% of the members of task forces that will shape policy of the Democratic Party. AOC is part of the group working on Climate Change for example.

I share your view that the Democrats will probably win in November. You've made the case for Trump losing. In the Senate it's a foregone conclusion that Republicans will lose Arizona and Colorado. Montana is now a toss up, and even Susan Collins in Maine and Thom Tillis in North Carolina are underdogs. The Republicans only look to pick up Alabama.

This, for me at least, is a little scary, depending on how far left the Democrats will go, at such time as they control the Congress and the presidency.

Two questions:

1. Do you believe Biden is going to pursue policies like the Green New Deal and sharply higher taxes on corporations and wealthier Americans, like he's been saying he will? Or is this just his strategy to win the election, and he'll come back towards the center assuming he wins?

2. Any thoughts now on when the far left is likely to control the federal government? Could it be just around the corner instead of 5 or 10 years down the road?

I could be wrong but I don't remember saying exactly what you think I might have said. The Democratic party seems to be heading vocally further left with new voices like AOC. But the Democrat's victory in the 2018 midterm elections in the House was by primarily moderate Democrats. And those moderate Democrats who won ion 2018 did not want Sanders as the nominee. I am sure I said that it seems like younger Democratic voters are moving more to the extreme left than in previous years. I am definitly NOT far left wing and I hope the moderate wing of the Democratic party wins out.

Biden is being pressured by those further to the left to embrace the Green New Deal. I'm sure he embraces parts of it but does not embrace all of it.

Biden's plans

Biden's actual platform calls for the United States to reach net-zero greenhouse gas emissions — which would leave little room for fossil fuels — by 2050.

He calls the Green New Deal "a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face" but stops short of endorsing or embracing it.

And while he appeared to endorse a fracking ban in a March debate, his campaign staff later walked it back. He has said elsewhere he wouldn't support banning the oil and natural gas production process.

Biden has labeled Sanders' Green New Deal as "impossible." Sanders, in turn, said Biden's platform is "nowhere near enough," while the Sunrise Movement, which backed Sanders, gave Biden a grade of F-minus on climate.

But Biden told reporters last month he saw an "opportunity" in the debate over coronavirus recovery legislation "to use my green economy — my Green Deal — to generate both growth, consistent with the kind of infusion of monies we need into the system to keep it going."

That hasn't stopped Trump's campaign from seeking to tie the two together, betting that voters would find the Green New Deal off-putting enough to sway key swing states such as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Trump.

"President Trump has been a stalwart champion of American energy workers, whose hard work and ingenuity resulted in the U.S. becoming the world's No. 1 producer of oil and natural gas. Joe Biden, on the other hand, has openly pledged to 'sacrifice' energy jobs and ban fossil fuels in pursuit of his extreme environmental agenda," Trump campaign spokeswoman Sarah Matthews said, pointing to Biden's Green Deal comments.

As discussed before, my opinion is the 2017 tax plan gave too much to corporations and the rich and gave little to the middle of the middle class and below who really needed the money. And the deficit grew by a trillion dollars due to the tax cuts. Biden would raise taxes on people making $400,000 and above by a little. And he also supports raising the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 28%. I thought 25% was a fair rate.

Finally, as stated above, I don't think the far left will take control anytime soon. They will make noise but, just like most Republicans are not far right, most Democrats are not far left.

And like you, I prefer to not have one party control the presidency and the House and the Senate.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

But as FF pointed out, much of the media applauds Pelosi for her statements and savage Trump for his.

You could be right but I watch the news on TV and read quite a few news sources and I couldn't find any harsh attacks on Trump or anyone applauding Pelosi. As I said, Pelosi was wrong in demeaning Trump but those 2 have been going at it for years.

Let me ask you a question. Certainly Abrams has attacked Trump on policy. That is expected. But has Abrams ever attacked Trump on a personal level, insulting him about his looks?

"In one tweet taking a swipe at Abrams’s appearance, later retweeted by Trump, Stahl wrote: “We just got a look at the official portrait for the self proclaimed Governor of Georgia. She fought a tough race, kissed a lot of babies and visited every buffet restaurant in the state. Joe will be a racist if he doesn’t pick her.”"

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Didn't the "Trump base" get him elected over a much more ballyhooed candidate, who lead in all the poles, who they thought would never loose?

The Trump base contributed heavily to Trump getting elected but he would not have won without support from other groups such as suburban women who heavily supported him in 2016. Suburban women seem to have moved to support Democratic candidates since then. Maybe that is due to Trump's name not being on the ballot in 2018. But the point remains that Trump will not win in 2020 with just the support of his loyal base.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here's another one. Would you bang Stacy Abrams for

a. Free
b. $100
c. $1000
d. None of the above

To clarify, she'd pay you $100 or $1000.

My answer is "d". However I'd pay $500 to bang AOC or Ilhan Omar.

D

400 for AOC
200 for Ilhan

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Trump base contributed heavily to Trump getting elected but he would not have won without support from other groups such as suburban women who heavily supported him in 2016. Suburban women seem to have moved to support Democratic candidates since then. Maybe that is due to Trump's name not being on the ballot in 2018. But the point remains that Trump will not win in 2020 with just the support of his loyal base.

I share your concerns that suburban women may not wholeheartedly support our President in the next election.

Hopefully, they will equate the Democrats with lockdowns and taxing the shit out of their children, and will vote to protect their children from the tyranny of over taxation coupled with undue restrictions on personal freedom.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

SR - can you produce the 'FACTS' - trump's height and weight ?
Save U this trouble - Body Mass Index is a simple calculation using a person's height and weight. The formula is BMI = kg/m2 where kg is a person's weight in kilograms and m2 is their height in metres squared. A BMI of 25.0 or more is overweight, while the healthy range is 18.5 to 24.9.


Anyone out there have access to that data - which is - technically - HIPPA protected under the US Code.

My statement was Trump is considered to be slightly obese based on his height (6'3') and weight (243).

Our ruling

Pelosi called Trump “morbidly obese.”

Based off of his declared height and weight, Trump has a body mass index of 30.1. This places him into the lowest of three levels under the CDC’s definition of obesity. Even if the public numbers are a bit shy of reality, Trump would have to be substantially heavier to meet a level of severe, or morbid, obesity.

We rate Pelosi’s claim False.


Personally I believe the BMI is somewhat flawed in that a highly muscular person would be considered "obese". Muscle weighs more than fat so I believe that a test that measures percentage of body fat is much more predictive of heatlth than just the BMI.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

..I got this..

somewhere in-between. she is more than obese, but she's too young and healthy-looking at her weight and size for me to say morbidly obese.

Look. All we really wanna know is if you would "do" her. Come on man, tell us...

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

...But the point remains that Trump will not win in 2020 with just the support of his loyal base.

That right there is your greatest concern. Whom will he add to his base. He does not need 100% of the Black vote and clearly, he has attained more (likely double from 2016) and perhaps thanks to Joe "You Ain't Black" Biden, he just might have picked up a few more %. Thanks Joe - you're a pal. Then there is the new tyranny crowds in blue states rising. Why is it Demonicrat governors have such a tendency towards tyranny anyway? Don't they like happy and productive people, aka tax revenue generators? Then there are the Demonicrat subtractions. Is Joe "Finger Bang" such a big beacon of hope for the Berie-Bros that they will flock to him like moths to a flame? I think not.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here's another one. Would you bang Stacy Abrams for

a. Free
b. $100
c. $1000
d. None of the above

To clarify, she'd pay you $100 or $1000.

My answer is "d". However I'd pay $500 to bang AOC or Ilhan Omar.

I'd do AOC if she would wear a ball gag. Don't want to listen to her at all. Illar is such a wild-cat card that I would have to just out of shear curiosity. I mean, if she's good enough for her own family, that's god enough for me. But a big, actually HUGE, no to Stacy. Though I would read Tran's ROS on his review of her. Actually, I might wait on his review of Illar also. Just not for very long.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

I share your concerns that suburban women may not wholeheartedly support our President in the next election....

Vote for Joe "Hair Sniffer", but wear a big pussy hat
Vote for "Creepy Uncle" Joe, but keep the kids at home
Vote for "Shotgun" Joe because fuck #METOO anyway
Vote for Joe "Rapey Fingers", but wear a metal chastity belt
Vote for "You Ain't Black" Joe because that's not quite as racist as it sounds
Vote for Joe "Finger Bang", but be sure to maintain social distance from him


Need to work on what message will resonate with the suburban women some more...

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Vote for Joe "Hair Sniffer", but wear a big pussy hat
Vote for "Creepy Uncle" Joe, but keep the kids at home
Vote for "Shotgun" Joe because fuck #METOO anyway
Vote for Joe "Rapey Fingers", but wear a metal chastity belt
Vote for "You Ain't Black" Joe because that's not quite as racist as it sounds
Vote for Joe "Finger Bang", but be sure to maintain social distance from him


Need to work on what message will resonate with the suburban women some more...

what about pony dog soldier?


what about corn row joe?


what about his hair legs?


what about his son problem?