should of known better.

[deellesamson]

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

No sir. I’ve never said anything is 100%.

What I’ve said is what does and doesn’t work for me, my colleagues and Our (collective) clients.

I offered my opinion, I didn’t say it was the law and everyone has to follow it.

At least we’ve finally got some admission that your solution really isn’t one. If it isn’t 100% then what’s the point. Your argument needs to move toward what actually is 100% like decriminalization or legalization, safety and protection under the law and a regulating system.

I get you’d rather not Uncle Sam move in on your hourly rate but if it meant guaranteed safety and accountability (in theory under the law of course) then why not shoot for that.

The reason we all said screening wouldn’t have saved this hobbyist or any other is because, like you said, your experience with it is anecdotal and probably not even something remotely recognizable as a secure solution for a hobbyist.

I’ll say it again for the folks in the back; screening is not a protective measure for a hobbyist.

[Dreamgurrl]

Decriminalization and legalization hold very dynamically polarized repercussions.

The Nordic model punishes the buyer. Nobody wants that. But hey, you can do your own research. Providers are kinda busy navigating the laws and all of the different rules for the different platforms etc. We have to be responsible for your knowledge as well?

Uncle Sam has a huge impact on my hourly rate, please don’t make assumptions.

Escorting is not illegal. Paid companionship is not illegal. I pay taxes.

My experience is not anecdotal, it’s the common place norm. As I’ve said before, this site does not even make up 10% of the clients out there.

[deellesamson]

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

Decriminalization and legalization hold very dynamically polarized repercussions.

The Nordic model punishes the buyer. Nobody wants that. But hey, you can do your own research. Providers are kinda busy navigating the laws and all of the different rules for the different platforms etc. We have to be responsible for your knowledge as well?

Uncle Sam has a huge impact on my hourly rate, please don’t make assumptions.

Escorting is not illegal. Paid companionship is not illegal. I pay taxes.

My experience is not anecdotal, it’s the common place norm. As I’ve said before, this site does not even make up 10% of the clients out there.

The Nordic model is not full decriminalization. Like you said, hobbyists are still criminalized and pushed. The obvious goal is full decriminalization if that can be conceived, and why not?

[Dreamgurrl]

Originally Posted by deellesamson

The Nordic model is not full decriminalization. Like you said, hobbyists are still criminalized and pushed. The obvious goal is full decriminalization if that can be conceived, and why not?

I’m all for decriminalization. Not sure why you are being so argumentative.
I was simply stating that with decriminalization I could report my stalker without fear of prosecution. (I’m not afraid in case you haven’t noticed)

And vice versa.

When posting on these boards remember that google knows everything. The guise of anonymity is appealing but remember it’s still the internet.

[deellesamson]

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

I’m all for decriminalization. Not sure why you are being so argumentative.
I was simply stating that with decriminalization I could report my stalker without fear of prosecution. (I’m not afraid in case you haven’t noticed)

And vice versa.

When posting on these boards remember that google knows everything. The guise of anonymity is appealing but remember it’s still the internet.

Sorry I don’t mean to come off as argumentative or hostile here. And I apologize for implying/calling you vile. I personally take enjoyment in debate and arguing and do not see it as something negative or to be avoided, especially if in the end the parties may stand to gain from the discourse.

I’m also not against screening per say. If I needed to do so I would definitely do it where sex work and hobbying isn’t criminalized or illegal.

However I just couldn’t feel safe or more secure to do it here where we are, except to perhaps see a very well vetted companion like yourself

[Dreamgurrl]

Originally Posted by deellesamson

Sorry I don’t mean to come off as argumentative or hostile here. And I apologize for implying/calling you vile. I personally take enjoyment in debate and arguing and do not see it as something negative or to be avoided, especially if in the end the parties may stand to gain from the discourse.

I’m also not against screening per say. If I needed to do so I would definitely do it where sex work and hobbying isn’t criminalized or illegal.

However I just couldn’t feel safe or more secure to do it here where we are, except to perhaps see a very well vetted companion like yourself

Well you’ve not started out on the right foot. But you’re catching on. I love a good debate,
With good intentions. You will be hard pressed to find that here.

[Hematoma]

Originally Posted by deellesamson

I’m sure it’s much simpler than you’re making it out to be really. A hobbyist wanted to see a provider. If this provider was one to screen she’d only be doing herself a favor, in addition to arming herself with more information to use as blackmail if she’d like to. If she had taken a deposit she could have ran off without even having to see him like 98% of the “providers” asking for deposits do.

Agree completely.

[bkfantasy]

Let's get back to the germane part of the conversation.

I've always avoided giving away any private information, going so far as to park several blocks away from an appointment location in order to avoid anyone making note of my vehicle. But am I to believe that taking these precautions was actually putting my identity at risk? Instead, the best way to avoid blackmail is to freely provide my identity to the provider as part of a screening process? I can't get my head around this. I've been around long enough to see too many "reliable" and "well-reviewed" providers break bad. I would hate for a new hobbiest to see this thread and not understand the risks of providing personal info to secure an appointment. This is just one hobbiest's perspective... obviously providers will have a different perspective.

[bambino]

If a hooker asks you for real life info, ask for hers.

[Dreamgurrl]

Originally Posted by bkfantasy

Let's get back to the germane part of the conversation.

I've always avoided giving away any private information, going so far as to park several blocks away from an appointment location in order to avoid anyone making note of my vehicle. But am I to believe that taking these precautions was actually putting my identity at risk? Instead, the best way to avoid blackmail is to freely provide my identity to the provider as part of a screening process? I can't get my head around this. I've been around long enough to see too many "reliable" and "well-reviewed" providers break bad. I would hate for a new hobbiest to see this thread and not understand the risks of providing personal info to secure an appointment. This is just one hobbiest's perspective... obviously providers will have a different perspective.

Are you under the impression that your real life identity is protected because you are logging in with a handle that isn’t your real name?

Good luck with that .

Additionally, providers have to submit valid current ID to any reputable site in order to place an ad. In fact, providers have to submit an ID here to get provider status.

And to your point, I’ve seen more than a few “good clients” go bad over the years.

It’s a calculated risk on all sides.

For me personally, my screening and deposit policies have only introduced me to the best gentleman. And from what they’ve told me, the same is true for them.

[bkfantasy]

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

Are you under the impression that your real life identity is protected because you are logging in with a handle that isn’t your real name?

Not at all. But it's within the level of risk I'm willing to accept.

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

Additionally, providers have to submit valid current ID to any reputable site in order to place an ad. In fact, providers have to submit an ID here to get provider status.

As I said, providers have a different opinion because they have a different experience. If I had to provide real life info to have premium access, I would not. Of course, my livelihood and business model does not depend on having that access. If it did, the risk/reward equation would be different.

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

And to your point, I’ve seen more than a few “good clients” go bad over the years.

Never said they don't. I was responding to the debate about whether men should provide personal info to secure appointments. Both sides of the transaction should be aware of that danger.

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

It’s a calculated risk on all sides.

Amen to that. I think all providers should demand as much screening info as it takes to make them safe. I really do believe that. All providers are putting their lives and freedom at risk. However, providers who don't screen are putting their lives and freedom at greater risk. Men who hire providers are putting their lives and freedom at risk. And men who provide personal information are putting their lives and freedom at greater risk.

Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

For me personally, my screening and deposit policies have only introduced me to the best gentleman. And from what they’ve told me, the same is true for them.

Then it sounds like you found out what works for you! I never provide personal information nor pay a deposit, and that seems to work for me. Fingers crossed for both of us.

[Tuckahoe1]

If police want you they will pay your deposit. That part is simple they do drug buys every day. They will beat your screening, there are multiple cover profiles for under covers. There was a cop a few years ago that showed up in an xfinity van complete in uniform to bust someone. Do the hoops make it harder for people to jump through? Yes. Low hanging fruit and all.

Here’s the part I’d be concerned about. The police only have to ask cash app and these companies for transaction lists. They don’t even need a subpoena. It’s right in the terms and service. So all they have to do is find a girls cash app name which they post everywhere then ask cash app for their transaction history. They just got the real names and info of everyone that’s ever sent her a deposit.

You can argue that doesn’t mean you had a session and so forth but at this point of an investigation you are already much further exposed than you want to be.

I understand the desire for deposits but personally not worth the risk and too many providers in other markets don’t require them.

[Dreamgurrl]

Originally Posted by Tuckahoe1

If police want you they will pay your deposit. That part is simple they do drug buys every day. They will beat your screening, there are multiple cover profiles for under covers. There was a cop a few years ago that showed up in an xfinity van complete in uniform to bust someone. Do the hoops make it harder for people to jump through? Yes. Low hanging fruit and all.

Here’s the part I’d be concerned about. The police only have to ask cash app and these companies for transaction lists. They don’t even need a subpoena. It’s right in the terms and service. So all they have to do is find a girls cash app name which they post everywhere then ask cash app for their transaction history. They just got the real names and info of everyone that’s ever sent her a deposit.

You can argue that doesn’t mean you had a session and so forth but at this point of an investigation you are already much further exposed than you want to be.

I understand the desire for deposits but personally not worth the risk and too many providers in other markets don’t require them.

Cops do not want an individual escort so badly that they will pay a deposit. For why? It’s a misdemeanor.
Would they pay it to an agency? Maybe. Why? Because being an agency is a felony.

There are cop accounts here and anywhere we post. And they really will try to make it look like the account has history, ie reviews. Also Clients share accounts etc..

I screen mostly to weed out the undesirables. (Woman haters, wife beaters, rapists, murderers, bullies,
etc)

Which is why I do a full screening.
Paid companionship is not illegal. Escorting is not illegal.
Electronic transfers are to a business account.

Cops don’t care about individuals. They are looking to make a big bust or it’s not worth their while.

Simply my perspective and lived experience.

[Charley3]

I don’t have time to read all this back and forth about screening. The guy got busted because he was dumb enough to use his real world cell phone. Don’t provide real world info and use a Trac phone or texting app! It’s that simple.

[pittlicker]

And never pay a fucking deposit!