Do you believe in Sharia?

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You really have a comprehension problem don't you. If I am to answer your question then I have to believe that it happened. You don't understand that do you? This is your problem and not mine. As for Barack and his attendance, someone did say that he was a regular church goer. So the question of frequencey comes into play. I didn't start the question, I am just using the same standard already set.

Again you avoid the question again because you have no answer- you started this bullshit by saying Obama referred to Muhammad- whom you labeled as a pedophile as the Holy Prophet. Again, I am a Christian, I have muslim friends and although I don't follow their faith or prophet- I will not disrespect their prophet- just like I would not disrespect Buddha, Confucius, or the Hindu Gods Vishnu and Shiva. Have you every heard a Muslim disrespect Jesus???? Actually, in Islam you would be punished if you disrespected Jesus or any of the prophets(Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc) because they hold them all to great esteem. And in case you wanted to do some research- Jesus's name is mentioned more times in the Koran than Muhammad's and Islam the Virgin Mary is considered to be the greatest woman to have ever lived because she conceived God's child- next time before you post do a little research.
You are one of the main reasons of what's wrong with the GOP- you think that your party has all the answers to everything and anyone who doesn't agree with your values or religious viewpoint is a terrorist or Un-American. I thought you guys learned your lesson in 2008- but guess it will be 2008 all over again come 11-6-2012.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Again you avoid the question again because you have no answer- you started this bullshit by saying Obama referred to Muhammad- whom you labeled as a pedophile as the Holy Prophet. Again, I am a Christian, I have muslim friends and although I don't follow their faith or prophet- I will not disrespect their prophet- just like I would not disrespect Buddha, Confucius, or the Hindu Gods Vishnu and Shiva. Have you every heard a Muslim disrespect Jesus???? Actually, in Islam you would be punished if you disrespected Jesus or any of the prophets(Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc) because they hold them all to great esteem. And in case you wanted to do some research- Jesus's name is mentioned more times in the Koran than Muhammad's and Islam the Virgin Mary is considered to be the greatest woman to have ever lived because she conceived God's child- next time before you post do a little research.
You are one of the main reasons of what's wrong with the GOP- you think that your party has all the answers to everything and anyone who doesn't agree with your values or religious viewpoint is a terrorist or Un-American. I thought you guys learned your lesson in 2008- but guess it will be 2008 all over again come 11-6-2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZw1SWe2oc

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

A confrontation is coming and it will be between the west and islam. Do you believe in Sharia law or do you want to live under Sharia. I am very interested in the answers of the ladies.

I ask because we have a president who refers to the pedophile prophet of Islam as the Holy Prophet. Funny I have never heard him say anything about Jesus. Even the Reverend Wright admitted that he is not sure that Obama really converted which would indicate that Obama was something else before he was a christian...if he truly converted. If we don't have a Muslim president like Madonna thinks then we have a hard core sympathizer.

So ladies do you want to be second or third class citizens? Do you want to be beaten for not covering your hair, walking alone, or speaking to a man who is not your husband. Do you want to be stoned to death for adultery? It is not a pretty thing.

I Am not familiar with all the particulars of Sharia Law. But what I am sure of is this, it has nothing to do with America and so therefore it doesn't pertain to me or any other U.S. Citizen living in America.

[TheAntichrist666]

I believe we should keep religion out of our lawmaking process.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Again you avoid the question again because you have no answer- you started this bullshit by saying Obama referred to Muhammad- whom you labeled as a pedophile as the Holy Prophet. Again, I am a Christian, I have muslim friends and although I don't follow their faith or prophet- I will not disrespect their prophet- just like I would not disrespect Buddha, Confucius, or the Hindu Gods Vishnu and Shiva. Have you every heard a Muslim disrespect Jesus???? Actually, in Islam you would be punished if you disrespected Jesus or any of the prophets(Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc) because they hold them all to great esteem. And in case you wanted to do some research- Jesus's name is mentioned more times in the Koran than Muhammad's and Islam the Virgin Mary is considered to be the greatest woman to have ever lived because she conceived God's child- next time before you post do a little research.
You are one of the main reasons of what's wrong with the GOP- you think that your party has all the answers to everything and anyone who doesn't agree with your values or religious viewpoint is a terrorist or Un-American. I thought you guys learned your lesson in 2008- but guess it will be 2008 all over again come 11-6-2012.

Muhammad married a six year old. He started having sex with her when she was nine; he was fifty four. Yes, that makes him a pedophile.

Many Muslim countries allow child brides even now, because they see Muhammad as a role model.

If you respect Muhammad, you are one sick bastard.

If you ever did tell your Muslim friends that you disrespected Muhummad, they would probably kill you. You liberals seem to value diversity above all else. Given a choice between tolerating evil and decreasing diversity, diversity wins out.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZw1SWe2oc

It's more likely, Muhammad is serving coffee in Hell.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Muhammad married a six year old. He started having sex with her when she was nine; he was fifty four. Yes, that makes him a pedophile.

Many Muslim countries allow child brides even now, because they see Muhammad as a role model.

If you respect Muhammad, you are one sick bastard.

If you ever did tell your Muslim friends that you disrespected Muhummad, they would probably kill you. You liberals seem to value diversity above all else. Given a choice between tolerating evil and decreasing diversity, diversity wins out.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

Hmmmm so I am sick? so what about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_(mother_of_Jesus) here is what this excerpt says: The canonical gospels of Matthew and Luke describe Mary as a virgin (Greek παρθένος, parthénos).[2] Traditionally, Christians believe that she conceived her son miraculously by the agency of the Holy Spirit. Muslims believe that she conceived by the command of God. This took place when she was already betrothed to Saint Joseph and was awaiting the concluding rite of marriage, the formal home-taking ceremony.[3] She married Joseph and accompanied him to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born.[4] In keeping with Jewish custom, the betrothal would have taken place when she was around 12, and the birth of Jesus about a year later.[
Ok so was God a pedophile also????? Joseph was said to be in his late 40's.
Ok so you can't have it both way- God impregnates Mary was she was 12- and I have seen some sources go as low as 9 and high as 15- and Joseph married the Virgin Mary when Joseph was well into his 40's- so again was God a pedophile and was Joseph a pedophile????

And to answer your question because apparently you must think that people who lived 1400 years ago had the same life expectancy as they do in 2012.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.


Now some may object to this by saying how could the Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.
Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.

Furthermore as to the prophets Marriage with Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage. Now some may say how does a girl go through puberty at the age of 9? :

When does puberty start? Although puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls, it may start earlier or later. Everyone's body changes at a different time. Whether you have breasts at age 10 or have not started your period by age 14, do not worry. Everyone goes through puberty eventually. (http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/ECont...LS+&cid=HTHLTH)

So note, a period for a girl occurs from the age of 8 to 14, though this is not always the case as a girl can also start her period by 14 or maybe 15. However so for Aisha it is most likely her puberty started at 8, and continued till she was 9, and once she was going through puberty and her menses, this made her a lady and not a girl anymore since she was fit for a baby therefore she is no child anymore.


Again, do some research before you post silly things- I have a B.A in History - as one of my 3 degrees- so you really will lose by debating this topic with me- any reputable historian would tell you that it was very common both 1400 years ago and 2000 years ago for a woman to be married anywhere between the ages of 8 to 15.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

His hate is "black" based.

Your hate is "conservative" based.

You and he are 2 peas in a pod.
The only difference between him and you is that he got paid and you didn't.

Too fucking bad. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


PS Neither of you have the prevalent feelings of the groups you claim to represent.
Your hate beams have no effect on this forum. Run away before we destroy you for our own amusement. You try our patience.

Whats your hate based on?

[joe bloe]

You are one sick bastard. A fifty four year old man screwing a nine year old is evil. If you can't understand that you're nuts. You libs bend over backwards to defend anyone who hates America and our way of life.

Islam is stuck in the seventh century; it is a barbaric religion. The rest of the civilized world has made progress since 610 AD. Islam is determined not to change; it needs a reformation.

PS
If you really do have three degrees, as you claim, you should try and get your money back.

[JD Barleycorn]

You keep saying that about Mary but I see no proof or even a reference to a passage in the bible that might confirm it. You say historically but Jesus was a nice Jewish boy who was living at home until he was almost 30. What does YOUR history say about that?

You say you don't disrespect anyone's religion but didn't you do that at me? You are a hypocrite.

If you really want to get into the grass; apparently God created Mary and she belonged to him to do with as he pleased (I am using the masculine term for brevity). Mohammed did not create his young brides and they were not his to do with as he pleased. He was just a prophet and not a god. There is your difference if you want to keep up this crazy shit.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You keep saying that about Mary but I see no proof or even a reference to a passage in the bible that might confirm it. You say historically but Jesus was a nice Jewish boy who was living at home until he was almost 30. What does YOUR history say about that?

You say you don't disrespect anyone's religion but didn't you do that at me? You are a hypocrite.

If you really want to get into the grass; apparently God created Mary and she belonged to him to do with as he pleased (I am using the masculine term for brevity). Mohammed did not create his young brides and they were not his to do with as he pleased. He was just a prophet and not a god. There is your difference if you want to keep up this crazy shit.

Gosh, this is like beating a dead horse- you are probably so ignorant that you believe the picture of Jesus that is displayed in the United States is what he really looks like. Do you realize that there are experts in this field who know a lot more about this topic than you- as I stated I have a degree in History and specialized in the Middle East so I know exactly what I am talking about. Do you think in Jesus days women were getting married in their 30's in 40's- when the life expectancy of a woman in those days were 40 to 45 years of age?
Show me one proof from a Reputable Historian that will put Mary in her 20's when she had Jesus and if you find a reputable source I will deactivate my account- is that a deal- and if you can't find one you deactivate your account- deal?
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME- IT WAS COMMON BOTH IN JESUS' DAYS AND MOHAMMED'S DAYS FOR A WOMAN TO BE MARRIED AT AGES 8 TO 15- THAT'S COMMON INDISPUTABLE FACT!!!!!
You are simply too DUMB to distinguish how people lived 2000 years ago to the present. The fact of the matter is Mary was anywhere between 12 to 15( I seen historians say perhaps as young as 9)at the most- she surely wasn't 18 or 21 as you may think when she had Jesus- again do some research because you are just making an ass out of yourself.
The avg age of a man in Jesus days was 40 and for women it was 34- although some lived longer that was the typical life expectancy so if you had half of a brain you would put two and two together and Understand why it was very common for women to be married at an early age- and if you think a 12 year old during Jesus' s days whose life at the age of 12 was nearly half way over versus a 12 year old living today who is expected to live nearly 7 times longer- then maybe you would understand why they married earlier in life- if you can't figure it out than you need some help.

Again show me one reputable historian who would put Mary in her 20's when she had Jesus and I will deactivate my account!!!

[JD Barleycorn]

You named your own poison. Name me a reputable historian that can prove that Mary was 12 years old. I never said that she was 20 years old so why do you keep beating the dead unicorn. I merely suggested that she may have been older while you are adamant that she was 12. Give me proof of what you claim. Since I never claimed anything I do not need proof.

I too have a history degree and have made three trips to Israel though I don't call that my field of study. I have been to the reputed site of the cruxifiction and tomb where Jesus was laid to rest.

Do you think that a nine year old girl ovulated in 700 AD? You seem to have forgotten that Jesus and Mohammed are not contemporaries. Can you get your money back on that degree?

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Whats your hate based on?

What hate?

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You named your own poison. Name me a reputable historian that can prove that Mary was 12 years old. I never said that she was 20 years old so why do you keep beating the dead unicorn. I merely suggested that she may have been older while you are adamant that she was 12. Give me proof of what you claim. Since I never claimed anything I do not need proof.

I too have a history degree and have made three trips to Israel though I don't call that my field of study. I have been to the reputed site of the cruxifiction and tomb where Jesus was laid to rest.

Do you think that a nine year old girl ovulated in 700 AD? You seem to have forgotten that Jesus and Mohammed are not contemporaries. Can you get your money back on that degree?

It's an extremely bad idea for girls to get married and start having babies immediately after their first period. Menses can begin as early as nine, although it's rare.

The biggest problem with childhood pregnancies is inadequate development of the pelvis. Although some girls can get pregnant at nine or ten, very often their pelvis isn't large enough to allow for childbirth. This means the baby has to be delivered by Caesarean section or the mother and child both die.

In some third world Muslim countries that allow child brides, Caesarean sections are not available, and child birth can be a nightmare in which the labor goes on for days, resulting in the death of both the mother and child.

From cdc.gov

Obstructed labor is the result of a girl's pelvis being too small to deliver a fetus. The fetus's head passes into the vagina, but its shoulders cannot fit through the mother's pelvic bones. Without a cesarean section, the neonate dies, and the mother is fortunate if she survives. If sepsis or hemorrhage does not occur and the girl does survive, the tissue and bones of the neonate will eventually soften and the remains will pass through the vagina.
Many times, obstructed labor leads to fistulas; the pressure of the fetal head on the vaginal wall causes tissue necrosis, and fistulas develop between the vagina and the bladder or rectum after the necrotic tissue sloughs. More than 2 million adolescents are living with fistulas, and fistulas develop in ≈100,000 more each year (35). Girls ages 10–15 years are especially vulnerable because their pelvic bones are not ready for childbearing and delivery. Their risk for fistula is as high as 88% (36). Once a fistula is formed, fecal or urinary incontinence and peroneal nerve palsy may result and may lead to humiliation, ostracism, and resultant depression. Unless the fistula is surgically repaired, these girls have limited chances of living a normal life and bearing children.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/...10_article.htm

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

It's an extremely bad idea for girls to get married and start having babies immediately after their first period. Menses can begin as early as nine, although it's rare.

The biggest problem with childhood pregnancies is inadequate development of the pelvis. Although some girls can get pregnant at nine or ten, very often their pelvis isn't large enough to allow for childbirth. This means the baby has to be delivered by Caesarean section or the mother and child both die.

In some third world Muslim countries that allow child brides, Caesarean sections are not available, and child birth can be a nightmare in which the labor goes on for days, resulting in the death of both the mother and child.

From cdc.gov

Obstructed labor is the result of a girl's pelvis being too small to deliver a fetus. The fetus's head passes into the vagina, but its shoulders cannot fit through the mother's pelvic bones. Without a cesarean section, the neonate dies, and the mother is fortunate if she survives. If sepsis or hemorrhage does not occur and the girl does survive, the tissue and bones of the neonate will eventually soften and the remains will pass through the vagina.
Many times, obstructed labor leads to fistulas; the pressure of the fetal head on the vaginal wall causes tissue necrosis, and fistulas develop between the vagina and the bladder or rectum after the necrotic tissue sloughs. More than 2 million adolescents are living with fistulas, and fistulas develop in ≈100,000 more each year (35). Girls ages 10–15 years are especially vulnerable because their pelvic bones are not ready for childbearing and delivery. Their risk for fistula is as high as 88% (36). Once a fistula is formed, fecal or urinary incontinence and peroneal nerve palsy may result and may lead to humiliation, ostracism, and resultant depression. Unless the fistula is surgically repaired, these girls have limited chances of living a normal life and bearing children.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/...10_article.htm

Ok wiseguy can you tell me - if a woman's life expectancy was 30 to 35 years of age- then at what age should they start rearing children? 25????