So is Austin scene dead?

[3daygetaway]

So, I am not Captain save a Ho, but I find myself introducing a male perspective twice in this thread that might help.

First of all, kudos to those of you who are you taking the time to read a provider’s profile well enough to know her preferences and requirements. That’s for you Zil. Had more of us done this in the past, we would not be where we are today. In fact, I think all of the market forces we are seeing today are in response to poor hobbyist behavior.

There are myriad contributors: verbal/mental/emotional subterfuge in the boards; habitual NCNS; constant haggling; disrespecting boundaries; spreading STIs (Austin does have a poor reputation on this front); and plenty of deception both to AND about providers.

ECCIE was complicit in this too, as were ALL the boards, which is why they all are changing policies and going overseas.

The good-ole providers of yesteryear who have moved on are also to blame for this scene because they were too loose and dangerous even.

If you want cheap, unsafe sex, where you’re a phone call away, go back to the 60s. Now is a more sophisticated time for a sophisticated buyer.

Yes, $300 is steep. It is cost prohibitive for me right now, but I’m seeing a different trend than you: the jerks are going to self-select out, the providers are going to feel safer, and quality will increase many more times than the increase in the cost of admission. I bet customer satisfaction has gone up at the same time lurker/timewaster satisfaction has gone down.

Try, just try once, to cooperate with the screening and not have it ruin the experience for you. She does want your business and to please you but you have to show her that her safety is important to you too: it’s where the session begins

[monica austin1]

Well said Austin Ellen,
Successful providers.. we do not use the hobby as the only (or desesperate) source of income, we diversify and we do this because we love it ! i get excited every time I get a date and many “dates” became friends in the last 8 years. I tend to attract intelligent delicious men, they know I am here to have fun, worship their body and protect their privacy.
In life or business we attract “like” people ....

I have many interest outside of the hobby: salsa dancing and teaching, IT and social media marketing, Film Production and Film Script writing, writing in general and I have a Masters Degree in healthcare .... I never had my IQ tested but is very high!

And I don’t criticize people that do not think like me ...my Mexican wise grandma used to say “haz de tu culo un Papalote” ... do whatever you want with your ass ... wise woman !

[monica austin1]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Well said. Successful providers also do not use this profession as their only source of revenue. Like all good business people - they diversify. Like the Godfather said - " nothing personal, just business" or something like that.

Well said Austin Ellen

[Kickrocks]

Originally Posted by monica austin1

Well said Austin Ellen,
Successful providers.. we do not use the hobby as the only (or desesperate) source of income, we diversify and we do this because we love it ! i get excited every time I get a date and many “dates” became friends in the last 8 years. I tend to attract intelligent delicious men, they know I am here to have fun, worship their body and protect their privacy.
In life or business we attract “like” people ....

I have many interest outside of the hobby: salsa dancing and teaching, IT and social media marketing, Film Production and Film Script writing, writing in general and I have a Masters Degree in healthcare .... I never had my IQ tested but is very high!

And I don’t criticize people that do not think like me ...my Mexican wise grandma used to say “haz de tu culo un Papalote” ... do whatever you want with your ass ... wise woman !

But you do criticize, by saying some on here are desperate, like you are better.

Did your Mexican grandma not teach you that a hooker is a hooker is a hooker and don't try to church it up?

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Kickrocks

.... don't try to church it up?

Umm,
Pastor's wife (divorced and an eccie hooker), Pastor's daughter(hooker), in the balcony (civie), in the baptism (think hot tub, civie), in a graveyard hooker, and another time a civie).
Church it up?
Hell yes, the adrenalian rush is nice.
I admit I'm going to hell.

Oh wait, not in Austin. So is Austin dead? Other than during the October music fest that is.

[Kickrocks]

When you fall you fall hard I guess.

[monica austin1]

Kidrocks, Unique-carpenter (I know who you are)?

I knew you were coming out of the woods to welcome me with your love!
As a catholic, I was on my knees a lot (praying position) ... the muscle memory my dear ...I love sucking cock and I love doggy style ... go figure! And I am a cock astronaut for many reasons but mostly because I am single and love to handle aerodynamic objects !

I don’t criticize anybody ... you need to know me better! For us (me) I did at one point Felt desesperante ... but i have learned to love myself .. For the girl that is having a difficult time .... please be compassionate ... we tend to think that because we are in Eccie we are better than the one that is walking with a big bag and tight shorts .... these girls or she/he lost a little of themselves in the process ... if you have a good heart and you see a “street walker” ... buy her a meal , treat her like a person and give $100.....(without fucking her) .... that will give you good karma to last you few life times!

Girls: if you are finding yourself in that situation pm... we can become comadres and clean houses together, that pays better thank Hooking.

And topless cleaning may not be too bad!
Girls : also remember that everybody goes thru hard times ...better times are coming !

[Luvdatpuddy]

Originally Posted by 3daygetaway

Yes, $300 is steep. It is cost prohibitive for me right now, but I’m seeing a different trend than you: the jerks are going to self-select out, the providers are going to feel safer, and quality will increase many more times than the increase in the cost of admission. I bet customer satisfaction has gone up at the same time lurker/timewaster satisfaction has gone down.

Try, just try once, to cooperate with the screening and not have it ruin the experience for you. She does want your business and to please you but you have to show her that her safety is important to you too: it’s where the session begins

3day - totally respect and value your viewpoint, even if I don't agree with some of it. I was probably unclear last week, as I was viewing the question/thread through the lens of "is ECCIE dead?", although admittedly, aspects of the market in general are in my original response as well (I have trouble staying focused, sometimes).

Regarding the screening point (or really, any of the information a lady may post), I think I'm much closer to Zil's perspective, in that I search and study the profiles for the "dos and don'ts", and find it frustrating that much of this is no longer available. However, one of the aspects I'm looking for in regards to information is often a note that says "screening required, or PM x number of references".

I don't view it as my job to give someone a hard time for setting their business rules, trying to negotiate with them, talk them out of one of their boundaries, or negotiate a discount (I know that's popular, though). I just take a hard pass, and don't even contact them at all. They've been kind enough to be up front that they're going to require things that I don't agree with, so they've saved us both time - no harm no foul. I've had to limit myself primarily to the old ISO forum (which sometimes worked out for me), or to the ladies that don't post requirements that I am uncomfortable living with. At least for me, it's not a question of "cooperate with the screening process" or not (implies that I also fight against it now) - it's just that I don't engage with those folks at all.

But going back to the original point, ECCIE used to be a viable source of information regarding being able to find these things out - I could see details regarding a provider's boundaries, what might be required to engage them (text, phone, pm, screening, references, price point, etc.), and make an informed choice. Given that much of that is no longer readily available, I think the overall value of the site drops with it.

To your point about lurkers/time wasters/jerks self-selecting out - I'm sure there will be some of that taking place. And it very well may have the short term effect that you described. However, from my perspective, if that happens, I also see a situation where the supply of providers increases, but likely that the population of "approved" hobbyists would remain static or go down. From everything that I've seen, there's a "cool kids club" mentality that's been here for years among the hobbyists, and many of the people in it always talk about "paying your dues" as if it's some sort of frat hazing. You have to see a list of newbie friendly providers to get references (whether they interest you or not), build a reputation, provide your personal information, spend money, etc., before you are "eligible" to see the people you want (which also increases the $300 an hour considerably higher in a real world sense). While some may be perfectly happy to do this (and if they are, good for them), that's going to create barriers to new people entering the market. Long term, you're talking about a growth in providers, and a drop in customers. That's either going to trigger the providers to start fishing in the "riskier" waters (thereby removing the benefit of the closed system), decide that the job isn't worth the risk / career change, or to move location to greener pastures (which also depletes the market).

I guess I'm saying that any market is going to reach an equilibrium point, and less information available and higher barriers to entry are going to have the effect of shrinking the market.

[Kickrocks]

Originally Posted by monica austin1

Kidrocks, Unique-carpenter (I know who you are)?

I knew you were coming out of the woods to welcome me with your love!
As a catholic, I was on my knees a lot (praying position) ... the muscle memory my dear ...I love sucking cock and I love doggy style ... go figure! And I am a cock astronaut for many reasons but mostly because I am single and love to handle aerodynamic objects !

I don’t criticize anybody ... you need to know me better! For us (me) I did at one point Felt desesperante ... but i have learned to love myself .. For the girl that is having a difficult time .... please be compassionate ... we tend to think that because we are in Eccie we are better than the one that is walking with a big bag and tight shorts .... these girls or she/he lost a little of themselves in the process ... if you have a good heart and you see a “street walker” ... buy her a meal , treat her like a person and give $100.....(without fucking her) .... that will give you good karma to last you few life times!

Girls: if you are finding yourself in that situation pm... we can become comadres and clean houses together, that pays better thank Hooking.

And topless cleaning may not be too bad!
Girls : also remember that everybody goes thru hard times ...better times are coming !

You changed your tone there I see. And no I will not pull over and give a hooker a 100 bill because that would be seen as solicitation if a cop was to see it.

You just keep trying to convince us that you are low volume and better than others. I've seen you write a few times about girls that like Cheetos and Dr Pepper are higher volume than you, like that has something to do with it. In reality being a hooker you have more partners than a civie, even though you claim low volume.

I reckon its all relative.

[3daygetaway]

Very eloquent response. You may be right about the long term effect; time will tell.


I will give my speculation on the cool kids club: there’s no such thing. There are those who go to socials and those who moderate the boards and those who are very active in postings and comments. There is some crossover, but one does not equal the others. And while some of the go-to providers for referrals are also in one of the previous groups, there are others you may not know about—and need to.

You don’t have to see a provider on that list newbie-friendly list. You can see any provider who is willing to do an alternative screening (including none whatsoever), BUT here’s the value in seeing one from that list: they are established and organized and will be a reference FOREVER. Some providers ask for recent references, because they want to know you haven’t come unhinged. Guess what, if you contact a reliable provider you’ve seen before and refresh her memory of who you are, she’ll give a valid recommendation, because the purpose is safety not drumming up business, PLUS a lot of new guys are shy or awkward, and these providers are more patient and forgiving.

Lastly, consider this: if you spent $300 x3 to meet three SOLID providers, it beats the hell out of throwing good money after bad on flighty, flash in the pan girls OR WORSE, meeting up with a scam artist or cop! Those girls are the lifeblood of the hobby: they kept the rest of us informed and connected during the dark ages. I promise money spent on reliable providers will pay this and many unforeseen dividends, including steering you toward quality girls of the type you want.

[ImportTuner]

Lol Zil, I have ran into that more times then I would like. I call it the MLE. (Married Life Experience), not the GFE. Like everything else in life though, you have your bad and good. Sometimes you have to try a couple of bad restaurants before you find one that you like, right?

[Whispers]

Successful Whores?

If a whore is successful she packs her shit, takes the money and runs. She sets herself up somewhere new, gets a legitimate job and prays no one ever finds out she was a whore.

[Hephaestus]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Well said. Successful providers also do not use this profession as their only source of revenue. Like all good business people - they diversify. Like the Godfather said - " nothing personal, just business" or something like that.

True, but most of the local ladies aren't drawing on their social security yet.

[monica austin1]

Whispers,
With all due respect ...”and prays nobody finds out she was a whore”.
First of all, I am very honest with those I love ! And my girlfriends get a good laugh when I tell them... specially my GF who is a Hollywood producer, when I told her I was an escort or whatever label you want to use , she laughed so much. It reminded her of her hippie peyote days in Mexico. My friends see my cleverness and admire it!

It is all conditioning, if you know who you are ... what other people call you is not valid.

On my tombstone i want it to say: “no regrets, I am
A whore” ... lol

And always diversify, don’t you worry about me ... worry about yourself... be smart and make sure nobody knows you have to pay to get laid ...peace and love !

[Michelleryan]

I gotta say having Ex Whore on the resume for a legit job probably not a great strategy! lol
Proud Ex Whore does not make it any better! Unless your boss is a male and you really! really! really!!!want to get the job with your ex whore skills lol In which case you are now reduced to a cheaper whore lol

PS You do not have to pray no one finds out if you did not post pics of your face and lunch box everywhere lol

Definitely NEW LOCATION TAKE THE MONEY AND RUNNNNNN!!!!!! RUN Whorest RUN!!! I assure you it feels better to breathe without balls anywhere near your nose!!