……….does hobbyist A have the right to limit the selection of another hobbyist who sees a different type woman?

[78704]

Height, weight, chest circumference, waist circumference, and hip circumference are three data points? Drink some coffee.

So what alternative are you proposing? Single digit bodyfat percentage? Limbs and head a yard around? Where, exactly, do you propose the dark mass to be? You really think the clothing manufacturers are off by 33"?

[Dagny D.E.W.]

Gentlemen, let me try to be clear here, I have no problem with the reviews that reveal a scammer, correct lies, tell the truth. Maybe I was wrong to used the reviews, it isn't so much the reviews, it is the comments esp. from someone who hasn't ever seen her, will never see her.

Look reviews have been on the boards before I got here. My 1st had a comment "she smokes and her skin shows it" ExoticBrownKitten who helped me get started, asked me if I was angry about what it said. I said no, because it was true. I looked at it as constructive critism. I didn't quit smoking but started putting warmed lotion all over before every appt. He got me lots of compliments over the years.

Maybe Yssup or others who have read my posting over the years can verify that I have never before complained about reviews saying the truth. I'm all for it if it is worded in a way to let a gal get better (wouldn't you want that?) and keep the really harshly worded for your BCD comments and the guys to read.

as before in this thread it has been said there are differences in the bodies of men and women, I'm trying to get across that there are differences in women's minds, feelings, sensitivies, etc. Women take offense easier when a guy would not see it at all.

I'm just trying to say that there are providers who are trying to be good, quality gals and that if you are overly harsh you can lose out in the long run.

But as you say there are always more young gals to fill it in so why should I care what kind of service ya'll get? Have good hobbying.

[irishlad]

Originally Posted by 78704

Height, weight, chest circumference, waist circumference, and hip circumference are three data points? Drink some coffee.

So what alternative are you proposing? Single digit bodyfat percentage? Limbs and head a yard around? Where, exactly, do you propose the dark mass to be? You really think the clothing manufacturers are off by 33"?

OK 5, height and weight, I should have said you have 3 circumferences...breast, waist and hips.

I'm not proposing any measurement system, I'm just pointing out that the one you are using doesn't give you enough data to claim fraud and "big lies" and that you should apologize until and unless you have a better basis...

...given these point data you don't know how much stomach someone carries above the waist, how much weight they carry their legs, hell even the "height" as the breasts and ass will change weight without changing the measurements. She said she's going by clothing not tape measure, so maybe she squeezes in as many women do. Someone could have thick calves. Did the person eat and drink before weighing themselves? Morning or evening? Dressed or undressed? Boots or bare feet? It all has a large cumulative impact on the numbers you are using.

I'm a scientist/engineer and math guys who put too much faith in their incomplete models full of assumptions vex me.

The OP tried to make a point that women may find the environment on this board harsh and hostile and that the men should realize that many of the ladies may take offense more easily than they realize.

THEN out of the blue you choose to ask a frequently reviewed BBW provider with pictures who had just been complimented for being honest about weight for her exact measurements for god knows what reason (are you tying to rebut the OP by showing that all providers lie?), and suggest she's a fraud ignoring the considerations above.

Again, I really don't think you're off topic at all.

[Spacemtn]

I have to say that crap like this is why we have drama in Austin.

This thread is not about the differences in one persons body over anothers. The charts are guides, just that, and nothing more. At 6'2" tall and 250 people would think that I am rotund, but those that have met me can't believe I weigh 250.

What irks me is that we have chosen to pick on a lady who is probably one of the most honest providers here. She makes no bones about her size and (since I have met her on more than one occasion socially) I would say that her quoted measurements are pretty damn accurate. She plainly states in all her ads that she is a BBW and uses lots of adjectives and adverbs to describe herself. To offer to measure her to prove her measurements wrong is not only assinine, but the only purpose to be served is to try to humiliate her. That is where I draw the line. A lot of the gentlemen (I am giving the benefit of the doubt even though largely undeserved) here complain about ladies not being truthful in their ads and rightly so, but I won't stand by and see a lady who is as honest as they come, humiliated for someones sick sport. If she were falsley advertising her appearance, size, etc. that I would have no problem with this discussion, but I will not tolerate this nonsense on the Austin boards going forward.

Stay on Topic!!

General Disrespect here is not acceptable!

I won't be lenient in these areas in the future.

Spacemtn
AustinModStaff

[knotty man]

Originally Posted by Spacemtn

I have to say that crap like this is why we have drama in Austin.

This thread is not about the differences in one persons body over anothers. The charts are guides, just that, and nothing more. At 6'2" tall and 250 people would think that I am rotund, but those that have met me can't believe I weigh 250.

What irks me is that we have chosen to pick on a lady who is probably one of the most honest providers here. She makes no bones about her size and (since I have met her on more than one occasion socially) I would say that her quoted measurements are pretty damn accurate. She plainly states in all her ads that she is a BBW and uses lots of adjectives and adverbs to describe herself. To offer to measure her to prove her measurements wrong is not only assinine, but the only purpose to be served is to try to humiliate her. That is where I draw the line. A lot of the gentlemen (I am giving the benefit of the doubt even though largely undeserved) here complain about ladies not being truthful in their ads and rightly so, but I won't stand by and see a lady who is as honest as they come, humiliated for someones sick sport. If she were falsley advertising her appearance, size, etc. that I would have no problem with this discussion, but I will not tolerate this nonsense on the Austin boards going forward.

Stay on Topic!!

General Disrespect here is not acceptable!

I won't be lenient in these areas in the future.

Spacemtn
AustinModStaff

thank you +1

[Kit-4-Kat]

I love you, SpaceMtn! XOXOXOX Brought tears to my eyes...

A point can be made w/out being insulting or the proverbial dead horse kicked in more than a page of synonyms that all have the same point.

Roxy... You are one supremely COOL chic to have not lost your COOL during that obvious attack.

78704... When will you learn not to beat a point to death? You've done it to me, too. Didn't I suck you good???? Geez!

[78704]

Originally Posted by Spacemtn

I have to say that crap like this is why we have drama in Austin.

This thread is not about the differences in one persons body over anothers. The charts are guides, just that, and nothing more. At 6'2" tall and 250 people would think that I am rotund, but those that have met me can't believe I weigh 250.

48/36/40? So, am I off by 14" on any of those?

What irks me is that we have chosen to pick on a lady who is probably one of the most honest providers here. She makes no bones about her size

It's ironic, isn't it; only reason the discrepancy showed up is she's willing to say numbers. Hers are impossible; I'll pay $100 and publicly apologize if I'm wrong.

and (since I have met her on more than one occasion socially) I would say that her quoted measurements are pretty damn accurate.

Which ones? 5'7" 260# or 42/38/42? Can't believe both....

She plainly states in all her ads that she is a BBW and uses lots of adjectives and adverbs to describe herself.

No argument there.

To offer to measure her to prove her measurements wrong is not only assinine, but the only purpose to be served is to try to humiliate her.

That is not my purpose, you are wrong. How about her purpose for doing it; vindicating herself, getting my apology, and making a quick C?

My purpose, of course, is to encourage truthfulness; one way to do that is to point out deception. And I am willing to be proven wrong and will pay for the privilege. I am not attacking anyone, I'm pointing out an obvious contradiction. Clothing manufacturers say a 42/34/43 woman weighs about 175: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._catalog_sizes

[78704]

Originally Posted by Kit-4-Kat

A point can be made w/out being insulting or the proverbial dead horse kicked in more than a page of synonyms that all have the same point.

I hope so, certainly didn't mean to insult anyone.

78704... When will you learn not to beat a point to death?

Probably never, certainly not yet. There's a risk in asking me to think about something.

You've done it to me, too. Didn't I suck you good?

No, that much suction hurts.

Please note I never complained... but if you ask I'll answer.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Dagny D.E.W.

Maybe Yssup or others who have read my posting over the years can verify that I have never before complained about reviews saying the truth.

I'll vouch for that, Dagny has never bitched about that.

That doesn't mean that the gal hasn't had her share of strong -- and strongly worded opinions on non-hobby subject matter; few of which I agreed with and many of which I found to be downright aggressive. But she doesn't play like that anymore and I for one am delighted by it.

But as far as people telling the truth in reviews, she's always been spot on. Thanks Dags for keeping it real.

I'm also glad to see she's finally added the long awaited disclaimer to her sig line. Now will the hobbyists do the same in their reviews?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Dagny D.E.W.

..........

Maybe Yssup or others who have read my posting over the years can verify that I have never before complained about reviews saying the truth. I'm all for it if it is worded in a way to let a gal get better (wouldn't you want that?) and keep the really harshly worded for your BCD comments and the guys to read.

But be honest Dagny... Most of the "harshly worded BCD comments" are getting read by the ladies and THAT is where feelings are getting involved. If people learned to stay out of/away from things they hav no business looking at there would be less harm done.. That includes ladies being professional enough to discourage the wusses from telling them things.

as before in this thread it has been said there are differences in the bodies of men and women, I'm trying to get across that there are differences in women's minds, feelings, sensitivies, etc. Women take offense easier when a guy would not see it at all.

And those women have no business on these boards other than to advertise.....

I'm just trying to say that there are providers who are trying to be good, quality gals and that if you are overly harsh you can lose out in the long run.

But as you say there are always more young gals to fill it in so why should I care what kind of service ya'll get? Have good hobbying.

Yeah... Gals come and go all the time..... Some stay around too long...

It seems that the younger, fitter ladies know what to say, when to say it and are having no problems running their adds and getting seen with some frequency.

Older gals and rounder gals.... tend to be in the middle of all the complaining....

There is a small group of you ladies that don't like the direction Austin forums went because it used to be your personal little playground of flirtations nonstop ads...

Now you've lost your prominence as well as your control over the material getting posted....


Which brings me back to your comment.,..."I'm all for it if it is worded in a way to let a gal get better " That is simply not for you to decide. The reviewer has the right to right a review in his own words and there are board guidelines that govern how he can say things and what can and cannot be included........

[Spacemtn]

Originally Posted by 78704

My purpose, of course, is to encourage truthfulness; one way to do that is to point out deception. And I am willing to be proven wrong and will pay for the privilege. I am not attacking anyone, I'm pointing out an obvious contradiction. Clothing manufacturers say a 42/34/43 woman weighs about 175: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._catalog_sizes

My purpose is to see that EVERYONE here is treated with the respect and dignity they deserve. I could care less what the clothing manufacturers have to say. This lady is as above board as they come and the theme from the men here is that all they want is for the ladies to display up to date photos, accurate descriptions, and for the quoted age to be close. She does all of that. She does not need to succumb to a measuring.

I guess I was not clear in my last post. Let me be very clear. DROP IT. Find something else to post about.

Spacemtn
AustinModStaff

[madvmax1985]

I just wanted to say thank you Spacemtn for steeping up and defending some that was being personally attacked !! I have met Roxann a few times and she has never tried to be some thing she is not She is a Big Beautiful Woman

[Mojojo]

No one should have the right to limit anyone on who to see. The way I see it, its my money I'll spend it where and how i want. Additionally your 1 might be my 10 or vice versa, some dudes like thick chicks some dudes like spinners. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the information and inputs thats put out there but in the end the person making the decision on who I want to see is me. If I schedule an appointment and dont like what I see, I have no problem walking away and respectuly telling her why.

I've never understood why some let others opinions influence their decisions, even in the civilian world ymmv. If your really want to see someone then go for it. Whats not to say others had a bad experience because the two just didnt connect who knows?

[Dagny D.E.W.]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I'll vouch for that, Dagny has never bitched about that.

....

But as far as people telling the truth in reviews, she's always been spot on. Thanks Dags for keeping it real.

I'm also glad to see she's finally added the long awaited disclaimer to her sig line. Now will the hobbyists do the same in their reviews?

Thanks yssup for being honest with that, you and I have posted back and forth but I never thought it vicious.
....As for the disclaimer, all you had to D.E.W. was ask, I would tell ya. In fact I think I did tell Yssup years ago so it was no secret.

(curious what disclaimer should the hobbyist put in their reviews?)



Thank you whispers for finally spelling my name correctly.

Let me be perfectly honest here...I don't know what other gals read, I personally have never over the years read the sections I wasn't supposed to!
I don't know that BDC comments were what they were commenting on. I didn't get that impression from the gals post. Out of hundreds of reviews a guy would show me the back story maybe 5 times before he posted it. If I said anything it was correct spelling or something I didn't do.


When I saw out of town gals wouldn't come to Austin I thought I better find out why. and started reading more Austin and Whispers, it was all in co-ed. I didn't go outside the boundries not allowed.


It wasn't because I felt that you were attacking me. I didn't know that you were...... were you? I wasn't upset about "losing power" here on the board.... or any board. I have NO POWER. I have never had any power.

I used to comment alot, but that gave ME no power.
The only reason I started posting in co-ed was to defend young women, who are trying to be good providers (not the scammers) from excessive, hurtful comments.

You guys have every right to say what you want. I understand that!!!
But why can't the most unkind (if truthful) be BCD?
What if not the truth? It stays right? because some guy who never met her said it?

You all so casually claim that the gals with thin skins should stay on BP or quit or ...or what? but you are not getting the point THEY ALL HAVE feelings. THEY ALL get upset by unkind things said. THEY ARE WOMEN. it is bred into us. I would have thought that it would be something that you knew was the difference, and what you were looking to spend time with and be kind.

I am getting the point... that you don't want to, don't have to and don't care about the "morsels' as long as there is a big turnover. I got it.

You think your daughters would never be here, I pray that is so.
But if she was, would this treatment be OK for her?

I'm just saying some comments good for the parlor and some should be saved for the man-cave.


OH PS... the only POWER I have is to try my best to give such good service so that there are only good things to say about it in a review.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Dagny D.E.W.

Thanks yssup for being honest with that, you and I have posted back and forth but I never thought it vicious.
....As for the disclaimer, all you had to D.E.W. was ask, I would tell ya. In fact I think I did tell Yssup years ago so it was no secret.

(curious what disclaimer should the hobbyist put in their reviews?)

Right you are kiddo!

As far as which disclaimer ought to be in the reviews ... I don't think there needs to be any. I'd guess that's part of the screening process, right? I usually include my age, bodytype and food allergies in my initial contact with the providers... (OK, maybe not my food allergies... but you know what I'm talking about!) plus my P411 info is pretty open for providers to see.

Also, as the buyer, not the seller, I don't know what needs to be disclosed. After all, this isn't an adoption hearing!

And yes, Dagny, we've known each other a long time. We've had our differences but I've always thought you were a woman of good taste ... or is that a woman that tastes good? Sorry Charlie! BOTH!