What do you providers base their rates on?

[grtrader]

Originally Posted by babee

I actually tried to read the first post last night and again twice now. Anon's bullcrap-o-meter applies. I could not glean what the actual question was meant to be. I know what I assumed, but we know what happens when you assume.

Can you restate the question in two sentences and to the point?

The question is fairly simple. do you have a method if so, just tell what actual method you use to determine your prices. I realise some people have more elaborate methods and some have less elaborate methods.

If a woman reads it she can see the methods other providers are using. I see that currently as the most likely to be received idea at this point based on the reactions. So that should alleviate the problem of us guys trying to give bad advice to take advantage of you girls.

[Guest032514-1]

Originally Posted by grtrader

To address the original topic what methods do providers use to price themselves. Ok, I can see where a provider would not or maybe should no accept the advice of a client to easily. Admitting there are those would use that opportunity take advantage. That said if the providers are the ones responding and proving the answers then the issue would have been mute.

In other words if you are worried about helping your competition and can see the logic in the statement above I would hope it gets to those who can and would appreciate the info.

Missed again.

Try this instead:

Ladies, I have a escort site called Escort Advertising. I think I know more than you because I have an escort website. I have pulled a bunch of webscorts off of lower end sites and now I'm trolling the higher end sites (like eccie).

[allofamber]

Jesus Christ who the hell are you "Captian Safe Ho" it's NON-OF-YOUR DAM Buisnees why a girl charges what she charges..it's not your time or your body IT'S HERS!!!!!

Either a client can AFFORD to pay the listed price or he goes to a less expensive option....

If you want to know so dam bad become of PROVIDER yourself and answer your own dam question!!!!

[Guest032514-1]

Sorry dear. There are entire "how to" websites. There are ladies only sites and ladies only forums on most sites. Mentoring one another is a huge part of the provider community. If a provider has a question about anything - not just biz related - one (or more) of us has an answer.

Thanks for the chuckles though.

[Guest031811]

George-

I know I sent you an email, but this thread does come off as you belittling the escorts. The general tone is that we females are too ignorant to scientifically determine our rates. Perhaps some of the new girls are unsure of their rates, but for the most part, we ladies know what our expenses are. We determine the number of men we need to see (hours working) to cover these expenses, and divide accordingly.

Do we ladies sit there with a ruler and graph paper making "supply and demand" curves... No.

This is for several reasons. Like I told you before, unlike a "normal" business, we don't have stock holders and investors. I do not have to report an earnings/losses sheet to anyone. Therefore, there is no data for me to compare "my business" with say Diana's business or Caroline's business. ALSO- even if my business and their businesses are somewhat "comparable", the "product" is very different. Veronica, AVA, and Nikki are all unique people who are completely different from one another. (Its not like comparing Coke and Pepsi here, ok?) We're people.

Not only that, the types of services we provide (PSE, light touch massage, GFE, greek, etc) are different and are valued differently. Furthermore, different parts of the country participate in the hobby more than others, which causes MORE demand for different kinds of women.... thus further complicating your "analysis"


One thing, you are quite right about the number of providers increasing. This SHOULD cause a shift in the supply curve. HOWEVER, you failed to look at a HUGE factor. Did the demand curve shift too? Are there MORE men wanting services?

All in all, I think you could have WORDED the question differently to avoid coming across the way you did. Its not the question, its THE WAY YOU ASK IT.

[Chevalier]

Clients frequently offer the ladies here unsolicited advice about finances or rates.

The clients probably sincerely believe that they understand the business aspects of P4P better than the ladies and can offer valuable advice.

But they may not. And certainly in most cases they've provided little or no basis for the ladies to conclude that said clients have valuable advice to offer.

• Frequently they don't express themselves clearly or in a professional manner that would inspire confidence. (Strike one.)
• They often make broad and incorrect generalizations based on inadequate information or extrapolation from a small (or otherwise not representative) sample to the entire escort population, demonstrating that they don't understand the business environment as well as the ladies do. (Strike two.)
• They believe that their business success -- which sometimes may be as an employee rather than actually running a business -- can be translated from their business to the P4P business with minimal or no adjustments, despite the fact that the businesses may be very dissimilar. (Strike three.)
• They "educate" the ladies about aspects of the business environment -- more competition, fewer clients' disposable dollars -- as though the ladies are too ignorant to realize that. The odds are exceptionally high that the ladies are already aware of all of that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, and many of the ladies are pretty smart. (Strike four.)
• They assume that very obvious business strategies, like running a sale when business is slow, would not occur to the ladies -- call that patronizing or condescending, but in either case it insults the ladies' intelligence. (Strike five.)
• Their advice often is obviously beneficial to the clients, perhaps more than the ladies, which calls into question their objectivity and motive. (Strike six.)

Well, there are some other problems with offering unsolicited advice of a financial/rate nature, but six strikes should be more than enough. Not saying that every guy who posts this sort of thread would be guilty of all six, but . . . .

(Ladies, the next time I do something like this, just send me a link to this post and kick my ass. )

[grtrader]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

wow...lot of emotion today....

1) The market is actually pretty darn efficient & corrects itself pretty well.

2) Despite all of your databases and monitoring of websites, your analysis of what is "undervalued" is still just your subjective view of what is important or attractive in a provider. Not good or bad; just yours. Similarly, two shoppers could go into the same grocery store and leave convinced they found great deals even though their shopping carts are completely different.

3) You seem to spend a lot of time at the lower end of the market (CL/BP). Nothing wrong with that per se, but when talking about those gals being undervalued know that there is an inherent discounting in price due to buyer beware/caveat emptor/TGTBT. Because they are not properly credentialed they are worth less (can command less). They could be beautiful, brilliant and the best fuck ever, but this doesn't make them undervalued they are simply priced at market with an appropriate risk discount applied.

The market in general always recovers as long as some trades something. just the nature of how markets work they go up they go down. People who know more and know what risks to take make more money in any market. Those who know how to influence the market the direction they want make the most.

As for being on someone DNS list hmmm. O yeah don't care. I mean honestly. My use of this site isn't and doesn't evolve around me getting tale. I posted a review at request. If a girl I know wants a review or not I leave it up to her discretion. As you can see by my post on the No Shoe I didn't out the girl in it either. Just the way I do business. Frankly I can go to Kroger pick up a bottle of wine get ingredients to make lasagne and if I take the time to strike up a conversation with a women their I have better than 60% rate of her coming over for dinner. Other places I find picking up women fairly easy books stores, Internet cafees, parks when I take my son to play and stuff like that.

I started the website to help a friend out not to make money. It can grow its the choice of the women. If they get behind the site I will and I will do all I can to make it better for them. I won't ever charge. So will it hurt me business wise not a chances. While the adult industry is great money my bet is on advertisement network. People are always going to have something to sell. Which means they will need to advertise.

The only person I worry about liking me at the end of the day is me and my son. He doesn't always like me when I have him clean his room or start home work or turn a game off or go to bed.

How hard would it have been for one woman to ask the simple question what exactly is the question. If they didn't understand it or had an issue with what they thought it said. Is it not better to ask for more clear or direct answer. Eventually 2 did well maybe more by the time I get done writing this line and post it.

[grtrader]

Originally Posted by Chevalier

Clients frequently offer the ladies here unsolicited advice about finances or rates.

The clients probably sincerely believe that they understand the business aspects of P4P better than the ladies and can offer valuable advice.

But they may not. And certainly in most cases they've provided little or no basis for the ladies to conclude that said clients have valuable advice to offer.

• Frequently they don't express themselves clearly or in a professional manner that would inspire confidence. (Strike one.)
• They often make broad and incorrect generalizations based on inadequate information or extrapolation from a small (or otherwise not representative) sample to the entire escort population, demonstrating that they don't understand the business environment as well as the ladies do. (Strike two.)
• They believe that their business success -- which sometimes may be as an employee rather than actually running a business -- can be translated from their business to the P4P business with minimal or no adjustments, despite the fact that the businesses may be very dissimilar. (Strike three.)
• They "educate" the ladies about aspects of the business environment -- more competition, fewer clients' disposable dollars -- as though the ladies are too ignorant to realize that. The odds are exceptionally high that the ladies are already aware of all of that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, and many of the ladies are pretty smart. (Strike four.)
• They assume that very obvious business strategies, like running a sale when business is slow, would not occur to the ladies -- call that patronizing or condescending, but in either case it insults the ladies' intelligence. (Strike five.)
• Their advice often is obviously beneficial to the clients, perhaps more than the ladies, which calls into question their objectivity and motive. (Strike six.)

Well, there are some other problems with offering unsolicited advice of a financial/rate nature, but six strikes should be more than enough. Not saying that every guy who posts this sort of thread would be guilty of all six, but . . . .

(Ladies, the next time I do something like this, just send me a link to this post and kick my ass. )

Your input is valued but I was more on the interest of opening up the discussion on strategies that are not commonly used to drive market values and prices up.

Everyone has the idea what sale is if they been to most any store. Just saying few stores don't have some sort a sale be it yearly or whatever.
I don't see were most of them lowering prices is of benefit to them. Maybe they will get those few extra clients but it probably isn't worth it.

Just think of the number of hours anyone puts in a business a day. If we were just to go by a regular business not even an escort it is quite a load.

I would imagine the providers would like added in come and if a provider had to work 3 days to make the same money she does now 5 I would be most client experiences would be better. Meaning a client more likely to return and willing to pay the difference.

You learn more from failures in life than you learn from success. Thomas Edison was quoted as he didn't fail more he found 10,000 ways not to make a light bulb. That said he only learned the one how to make it. the technology has been improved many times since then.

So instead of trying to impose something I actually know works on to you I have decide your right let providers teach providers. I'll keep what I know that works between me friends and family. think that solves all the issues. Well except if someone on here might could have used that advice O well.

[grtrader]

Originally Posted by dirty diana

know something about me before you decide to tango with me.

for one, i don't advertise anywhere. this board is the only place i occasionally post an ad, and those occasions are minimal.

2nd, i said lots. my exact term was lots. i could refer to a percentage as low as 5% and still say lots. by the way, where did you come up with that 5%? your experience as a bottom feeder?

3rd, everybody i know isn't in the hobby. most of the people i know are not. so yes, i can honestly say that i don't know not one person who couldn't afford a computer without the hobby. i only *know* one person who makes money from the hobby and she is my bff, who's shit has been together since before she got in the hobby.

next!

Hmmm. Why don't you prove your as smart and educated as you think/made out you are and figure out what agency or orgs data base would contain the information relevant to that. Then Oh use python or whatever language you choose to use to parse through it and run the numbers for yourself.

Your travels must be kind of limited I can show you plenty of people in Houston that don't and never have had a PC. Did you know there are still places in the US running water and electricity doesn't go to the homes. That isn't because some storm blew through either. imagine what internet access is like there. Your life is a bit sheltered.

My parents own a hotel in NC one of the poorest counties in the nation Hyde county. 90% welfare. Their business is mostly from hunters fishers, contractors for building repair... Stuff.

If you happen to be in NC look up the laws on defrauding an in keeper it may just keep you out of jail.

Sorry, if my attitude is a harsh but you chose to drive the conversation this way not me.

[guest111010]

Originally Posted by seXXXy Brooke

Urgh Why Why Why Why wHy Why wHy Why Why Why Why is this thread still going. And WhyWhyWhy Why Why Why Why wHy wHy should anybody care how another person runs THEIR buisness. And Why Why. Why Why Why Why Why can't people stop asking us WOMEN why we do what we do and just enjoy the pleasure this hobby brings to all involved. Why Why wHy Why Why can we just all have an NAKED ORGY AND GET ALONG.

I know. i mean seriously hes trolling. i just feel bad for his SO's.

[ANONONE]

::YAWN::

This has become tedious. If he ever actually responds with something other than bombast, somebody nudge me awake.

[youngatheart]

I just skimmed through most of this thread and wow some of you ladies can be real nasty and for no reason. Was GRT being stupid? Probably. Were some of your responses out of line? Probably. Brittanylennox gave him the answer he actually needed, whether he wanted it or not. And, she did it politely. Everyone really needs to lighten up.

[VeronicaMoore]

[grtrader]

Originally Posted by allofamber

Jesus Christ who the hell are you "Captian Safe Ho" it's NON-OF-YOUR DAM Buisnees why a girl charges what she charges..it's not your time or your body IT'S HERS!!!!!

Either a client can AFFORD to pay the listed price or he goes to a less expensive option....

If you want to know so dam bad become of PROVIDER yourself and answer your own dam question!!!!

My original question was less intrusive. But the objects came that a client can't possibly offer any actual advice worth a dam or that isn't meant to take advantage of her.

So I offered the alternative you provide the advice for the women. I'll keep my knowledge to myself. So you have an issue with this Nooooo big surprise there.

[dirty diana]

"Hmmm. Why don't you prove your as smart and educated as you think..."

simple, i don't owe you jack. i don't even like you, so why would i wanna prove anything to you?!?!

"Your life is a bit sheltered."

lmao @ how my life must be sheltered because i don't know anyone in the hobby who couldn't afford a laptop before the hobby?! are you serious? (that's a rhetorical question okay. that means it requires no answer)

"My parents own a hotel in NC one of the poorest blah blah blahrepair... Stuff.

If you happen to be in NC blah blah blah out of jail."

who cares? why are you still trying to impress me with your life? do i look like i care what your parent's own? if so, i need to change my facial expression....