Tipping providers

[Smpslt7]

That's a laugh. If the best you can do is to conclude with an insult, then I think we can all see who's the low class here.

My bet is that the ladies here would disagree with you.

[finman56]

When I began hobbying a couple of years ago I included a tip. Now I will always tell a lady I will be happy to take them to breakfast, lunch, or dinner, before or after the appt. Many take me upon this offer.

[Smpslt7]

I like that. Thanks.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by finman56

When I began hobbying a couple of years ago I included a tip. Now I will always tell a lady I will be happy to take them to breakfast, lunch, or dinner, before or after the appt. Many take me upon this offer.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Just Dreaming

I see you going far in life.

Been there, done that...

[gentlemantoo]

How difficult is it for a lady to make $1000 a day, not very. As with any business location is important. But if a lady is in Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, New York, well populated places she can almost without effort earn $1k a day. Now the lady if Buford Wyoming needs to relocate or travel. Thus, making $1k a day with a two day off period per week comes to $260k annually. All for 20 hours a week of work, not 40 like most folks. If she were to work weekends and long hours she can earn $600k a year and not pay taxes on it.

These ladies make $250k and more but part of their marketing is to be low volume or poorer so you will give more or see her more. All just marketing ploy. She makes more than you do most often and you pay taxes, lol.

I speak truth. I am in business with more ladies in this work than you have ever fucked. I do not have sex with them and when sex is off the table the relationship is much different. They tell me everything, I am honorable and hold those secrets in, but over all tone, is much different than what you guys post, lol. I find it sort of funny how naive some of you really are.

Finman tips to get extra time or extra bonding over a meal. She is not bonding, she is ensuring a come back customer. It is all business for her. That is my point. Tip is you want to but still foolish.

Have any of you ever used the services of a plumber, lawyer, mechanic? Ever tip them? Why not? Who makes more a plumber at $100/ hr, lawyer at $250/hr, mechanic at $75 an hour or prostitute at $300/hr. Most would agree tipping plumber, lawyer is foolish, so why is it not foolish to tip provider? Who makes more money?

This is all truth, but live in your delusional worlds of denial. Your money do with it as you want.

[Smpslt7]

Who's delusional? Who's in denial? Not me.

I couldn't care less how much they make. If they pleasure others the way they pleasure me, I hope they make a million in short order.

I'm not impressed with your experience or lengthy diatribe. You're only masking your contempt for women, but not very well. Take your envy and hate somewhere else.

[James1588]

Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

... [blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit] ... Your money do with it as you want.

Thanks for the permission. I will.

[tandyscone]

There's hooker math, and then there's monger math. Gentlemantoo, if you really had such extensive business dealings with so many providers, it seems to me that you would have included time off for their periods. It can vary a lot, but most of them are going to be out for 3 to 7 days every 4 weeks or so. The fact that you forgot that, makes me suspect there may be a lot more that you forgot or don't really know.

[Guest072118]

Originally Posted by tandyscone

There's hooker math, and then there's monger math. Gentlemantoo, if you really had such extensive business dealings with so many providers, it seems to me that you would have included time off for their periods. It can vary a lot, but most of them are going to be out for 3 to 7 days every 4 weeks or so. The fact that you forgot that, makes me suspect there may be a lot more that you forgot or don't really know.

He also didnt factor the time put in for screening and all the other BS that comes along with it. Magicly you appear and we are magically clean and ready....

If he really did the math he'd know we dont just fuck and an indy working that kind of volume puts in more than 20 hours.

[gentlemantoo]

I do not factor getting dressed time, everyone gets dressed for work so that is pure BS. Screening, answering emails, etc all takes time but not much. Do the math 20 hours times $300 equals $6000 per week or $312000 annually. I stated $260k so yes I did factor screening, emails, loser conversations with guys who want more flirt time.

I have to wear a suit, keep my appearance up, but I do not get paid for that time, normality.

If a lady chooses to work when she needs money only, and I know some of those, she makes much less. She does so because she despises her work so much. Hates being touched by men like you and me. It is her lazy way of getting finances. These make enough to pay rent but work very little. Still who makes more per hour? Plumber or provider? So why tip a $250k earne? No one can answer that question. You spend time trying to pull apart my logic which cannot be or rationalizing why your misguided beliefs are correct. Why tip someone who does not need it when their rate is fair and covers there financial needs? Why? Unless to earn some favor, which never gets earned.

Do you understand seeing a lady a second or third time is much easier for her, she will book you without tip, no screening, knows what to expect, etc. Less time on that client. She will always book repeat client over newbie, easier for her, she knows there is little risk, you are not LE and you pay.

[gentlemantoo]

There periods, not really a factor. There are tricks they use to stop the flow while with you. All ladies in this business know that. When a lady uses the period excusee, it is just that an excuse not real reason why she does not see you.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

How difficult is it for a lady to make $1000 a day, not very.
Actually, for many it is--at least on a consistent basis.

As with any business location is important. But if a lady is in Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, New York, well populated places she can almost without effort earn $1k a day. Now the lady if Buford Wyoming needs to relocate or travel.
Said as if "relocating or traveling" is a trivial endeavor. Both require actually having enough funds to relocate--or set up some travel dates at risk. Additionally, many ladies are in this business precisely because they have issues that put demands on their time--kids, elder parent, school, etc.--so the freedom of movement you describe is not quite so free to do.

Thus, making $1k a day with a two day off period per week comes to $260k annually. All for 20 hours a week of work, not 40 like most folks. If she were to work weekends and long hours she can earn $600k a year and not pay taxes on it.
These numbers DO NOT represent the "typical" lady in the business. Not even close. Many--including many of the well established and well reviewed ladies--have numbers much closer to:
--$300 a day
--2 or 3 days a week
--which equates much closer to $30K per year, because many cannot work every week--or just need a pause to regain their perspective, care for kids, or their "real world" job impinges.

Your numbers assume they are working full time at this (many do not), you assume there is an endless supply of clients so they can see 3 or 4 a day, and you assume that they can keep up the emotional and physical pace of 3 or 4 a day, and there is no lost time for anything else in life. All are very bad assumptions for many--most?--ladies. You seem to have a problem reading what many of us are saying: many ladies DO actually enjoy SOME of their clients. They DO respond like any other real people by returning kindness with kindness in most cases. However some clients are not kind, are not fun, and are most certainly NOT easy to see. I have spent many a night on the phone providing a venting shoulder for ladies who have just shut the door on a real jerk of a client. Most people can only see so many jerks before they need time to recenter themselves.

I have done taxes for a number of ladies, and $30K per year from this work is not far off the "typical". And yes, the smart ones DO pay taxes.



These ladies make $250k and more but part of their marketing is to be low volume or poorer so you will give more or see her more. All just marketing ploy. She makes more than you do most often and you pay taxes, lol.
"All just marketing."? BS. For some, I am sure it is so. But I have been to many ladies' homes--not their incalls--and I guarantee they would not be living where/how they live if they were making $250K+. Or driving the cars they drive. Some do make more than I do. Most certainly do not.


I speak truth. I am in business with more ladies in this work than you have ever fucked. I do not have sex with them and when sex is off the table the relationship is much different. They tell me everything, I am honorable and hold those secrets in, but over all tone, is much different than what you guys post, lol. I find it sort of funny how naive some of you really are.
I do not doubt that you speak the truth for the ladies you associate with. I just don't think those ladies represent the "typical" lady in the business.


Finman tips to get extra time or extra bonding over a meal. She is not bonding, she is ensuring a come back customer. It is all business for her. That is my point. Tip is you want to but still foolish.
You are clueless. Especially about what women you have not met do/don't feel about some of their clients. Of course they want a repeat client--but so does my barber, butcher, and mechanic. That does not prevent them from also having a relationship that is not 100% cash & carry.


Have any of you ever used the services of a plumber, lawyer, mechanic? Ever tip them? Why not? Who makes more a plumber at $100/ hr, lawyer at $250/hr, mechanic at $75 an hour or prostitute at $300/hr. Most would agree tipping plumber, lawyer is foolish, so why is it not foolish to tip provider? Who makes more money?
As others have tried to tell you, some people tip for service above and beyond what we expected. Or tip to encourage continued "better than necessary" service.

In the last few months, yes: I have given my mechanic something extra (not cash), and my plumber--who went through what I thought was over-and-above effort on a project I hired him for. I see no issue with those things at all. And I do not understand why you do.

Finally, as to hourly rates. I pay my lawyer for a lot of time not spent face-to-face with me or on the phone. That is why their fee is what it is.

With an escort, let us assume I see her for two hours. And let us assume that I am the only one she sees that night, since she didn't get off work on her "real" job until 5 PM and had to travel 30 min each way since she wants to physically separate where she lives from the hotel room she rented.

1 hr with me
1 hr travel
1 hr to get ready: shower, makeup, dressing, etc. I certainly expect her to be better dressed and made-up than the plumber.

That is three hours work, not one. The $300/hr becomes $100.

And then let's back off the hotel room, the babysitter, etc.

The real hourly income for her time quickly drops from the artificial $300/hr to a net much closer to $50/hr. A far cry from "excessive". I acknowledge the arithmetic varies if I have a hotel room, or she works enough to have an incall apartment (though that expense of that is much greater than many ladies and most men realize) but the 300 is still an illusion.

This is all truth, but live in your delusional worlds of denial. Your money do with it as you want.

Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

I do not factor getting dressed time, everyone gets dressed for work so that is pure BS. Screening, answering emails, etc all takes time but not much. Do the math 20 hours times $300 equals $6000 per week or $312000 annually. I stated $260k so yes I did factor screening, emails, loser conversations with guys who want more flirt time.

But in this business the typical professional lady takes a lot more showers, spends more time with makeup, and goes through many more wardrobe changes than I do--and I work in a suit & tie environment. Likewise the e-mail, web site, phot shoot, screening, etc., time is far more than most people have for overhead at their jobs.

I have to wear a suit, keep my appearance up, but I do not get paid for that time, normality.

If a lady chooses to work when she needs money only, and I know some of those, she makes much less. She does so because she despises her work so much.
With some clients this is true. Which is why many really are appreciative--and enjoy--time with those who are not jerks.

Hates being touched by men like you and me.
Hmmmm....again that depends. Far too many counter examples. I am sorry that is your experience.

It is her lazy way of getting finances.
Utter BS.

These make enough to pay rent but work very little. Still who makes more per hour? Plumber or provider? So why tip a $250k earne? No one can answer that question. You spend time trying to pull apart my logic which cannot be or rationalizing why your misguided beliefs are correct. Why tip someone who does not need it when their rate is fair and covers there financial needs? Why? Unless to earn some favor, which never gets earned.
Why tip? As many have told you, but you do not wish to hear: many of us tip because we have received a service that exceeded our reasonable expectations. I also bring a gift because I like to see her open it--it is a nice ice breaker--and whether you wish to believe it or not, I find a distinct correlation between a few moments spent opening a gift and how happy we both seem at the end of our date.

Do you understand seeing a lady a second or third time is much easier for her, she will book you without tip, no screening, knows what to expect, etc. Less time on that client. She will always book repeat client over newbie, easier for her, she knows there is little risk, you are not LE and you pay.

True, but so what? Again, you seem not to be listening. Most of us are telling you we do not tip to guarantee a chance to meet her again. I travel a lot, and I know before I meet many of the ladies that I will not see them again because I likely won't be back to their town.

Reading your posts as a collection you come across as someone who doesn't particularly like women in this business. You look down on them for what they do, you see them for a strictly physiological need, and for you any friendship is not only unnecessary but likely you see it as a negative. To be honest, I expect you are in the majority of men here. So it is obvious you see no value--and no reality--in people who enjoy and appreciate a more complete experience. I am not saying you are "wrong", but I am saying your value judgement is not applicable to some of us, and your view of what goes on is also not applicable outside of the kind of exchange you seem comfortable with.

[Guest072118]

Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

There periods, not really a factor. There are tricks they use to stop the flow while with you. All ladies in this business know that. When a lady uses the period excusee, it is just that an excuse not real reason why she does not see you.

Bull shit.

The more you post the more clueless you appear.


Old T its clear he doesnt know what its like to run a business.

[gentlemantoo]

I hear what you guys are saying about why you tip. I also think you believe what you post, but neither of those facts make it true. I just do not believe your stated reasons. I think when most people tip providers it is an attempt to gain favor, not any other reason. Who else besides old t tips their plumber? And I really do not believe you tipped your plumber. Although possible. I have not met a lady that brings home less than $60k annually yet, some out there just not my experience.

I do not dislike any one, Providers or posters. I just read a lot of BS and state that it is BS. you know very little about me, from these posts, maybe we should try not to judge one another.

Elle if you do not know the tricks for blood flow, PM me and I will put you in touch with a provider friend of mine that will help you.

Also no woman makes a consistent living here with just $1000 a week, no woman rents a hotel room without earning at least 5 times that cost. It is a business and some days are better than others, circus in town, home game for Cowboys brings in tourists wanting to fuc, etc. lots of variables for any given day but six figures is easy to accomplish without tips for these ladies if they want. These are the facts, accept them or live in denial, I chose reality.