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Old 09-06-2011, 12:34 PM   #61
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I'm not going to take sides here as I find this to be an intriguing debate. I sincerely see the reservations of the provider to tell their story. I actually wonder if that is even the "meat" of the story? I sincerely do not know that answer. It seems that the provider is the one that is taking advantage of what I consider to be a great opportunity and yet, why is the opportunity present? Something a little more than animalistic instinct or is it?
I find the whole scenario to be quite amazing! The fact that two people can be governed by law regarding their activities behind a closed door is unbelievable to me. The fact that many, seemingly "happily married" men need "something different", the fact that many beautiful providers are so comfortable with themselves they can simply entertain others by doing something they enjoy and get paid for (a la, musicians, actors, athletes) and yet others can't possibly understand their justifications?
I, obviously NOT a writer, could not see how to write this entire story objectively while I was engaged in the act itself. Not sure how a military reporter could objectively tell the story with one hand while the other hand pulls the trigger of their automatic rifle or a reporter objectively tell us about our political candidates while they are campaigning themselves. I know I am comparing Reporters/Writers but I see the reporting as the interesting depiction here. Our society made up of US has led to the demand of Tell. Just as we have led to the demand of the lovely providers.
I guess I would just have to say, if you are not interested in what Tell is pursuing, let it be and respond no more. To publicly (I know we like to think of this as a private community but we all really know the truth to that statement) defame him/her for their efforts is a bit of hypocrisy in my book. I know I have blurted out my opinion louder than I should on many occasions (um, here I go again) and I also know that many times the less said the better.
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Thanks for the voice of interest.

Heh. Funny story: I used to job shadow as a journalist, but the more I looked into journalism the less regard I had for it.

If you want to look at my writing from a social and political perspective, consider this: my generation first became aware of politics during two events, the Witch Hunt for Bill Clinton and the takedown of the twin towers. We are the generation living under the auspices of our parents crack habits, the insane cycle of debt that's been catered especially to exploit young people our age. We were raised in the era where dissent is conflated with treason, and shadowy corporate lobbies skim millions from back room deals while kids get taken to prison for a small amount of a soft drug.

It is inevitable, then, that my generation views itself as one that is under siege from forces that we cannot fight against in a conventional sense, a hopeless job market, corruption, something is just missing from our daily lives that I think previous generations have had.

For me personally this dissatisfaction with what I have been presented manifests as cold anger. I'm outraged that the world isn't better than what it is, I'm angry that any rational person can sit down and see the problems that their choices contribute to within our society, and yet no one has moved toward change, so I am left looking to make my own justice in the world. My generation is the generation that will see the closing of the old way of doing things and have to write the new one. We no longer live in an era of Cold War, where you can draw lines of black and white while ignoring the grey. We live in an era where we can learn from the mistakes of history and achieve more than our parents and grandparents generation if only we would commit to doing so.

I write books for this change the way Lenin robbed banks for communism: as a means to a social ends that I have no way of working towards within the approved means society has given me. I seek to take feeling, sentiment, and experience and refine it into something universal that everyone can understand and even fools will feel compelled to respond to. I seek to bring reality into the mainstream, and I seek to open up a dialogue about it. If I've learned anything from what happened with Upton Sinclair, it's that the best I can hope for is just to get people talking, and maybe to start off the conversation the best way I know how.
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Old 09-06-2011, 01:47 PM   #62
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I don't care if he writes but he needs to gather info here not give advice. He has been an adult now for 5 years and he knows it all. If he wants to listen more and tell his elders less then I would love to see what he could find to write about. But it is obvious from his writing so far that he will throw his knowledge ahead of the knowledge of those that know what they are talking about and he has nothing about this subject I wanna learn about in his young brain.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:15 PM   #63
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I hear ya NewMusicMan.... other than Lily's LE concerns..... I don't understand why everyone has piled on the young guy!* Seems to be some thin skins involved... but he appears to be weathering the storm fairly well.

Yeah.... the guy is young and inexperienced.... doesn't know much about what he's talking about (hobbywise, anyway).... but he's curious.... big deal!
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:35 PM   #64
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When Winston Churchill write of Boer War was from perspective of correspondent shot at and missed. Hemingway wrote "The Old Man and the Sea" from perspective of fisherman who struggle all day to land impossibly huge fish. Meaningful writing come from own life experience not from those of persons aware of interview, and with need to justify own inadequacy, and maybe so get fifteen minutes fame.
Honorable writer must do own living to write of life. If wish to know life of lady in hobby, buy lingerie, spend years having sexual relations with men you not necessarily like for less money than wished while pretending to have multiple orgasm, and keeping eye out for vice squad. Get arrested for approaching off duty policeman and get picture in paper.
Unfortunately, unless above tasks completed, writing will be same as posting. Pompous, tedious and inconsequential.
In truth, chronicle of hobby best found in reading of postings in many forums of board. Many are interesting, ridiculous and sometimes completely childish. Perhaps most truth found there.
Book about hobby have low prospect. Topic already covered several times over by better writers, and in numerous cable television shows.
If wish to better society, turn attention to important issues. Write instructions for setting up remote control so all buttons work,and humble detective nominate for Pulitzer, and spring for allnighter with Sassy. And that is final offer.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:42 PM   #65
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I don't care if he writes but he needs to gather info here not give advice. He has been an adult now for 5 years and he knows it all. If he wants to listen more and tell his elders less then I would love to see what he could find to write about. But it is obvious from his writing so far that he will throw his knowledge ahead of the knowledge of those that know what they are talking about and he has nothing about this subject I wanna learn about in his young brain.
And you extrapolate that from anything I've said... how?

@ Chan

But am I not here offering to go where people are and talk to them in person? How can a person write an overview of this particular industry and expect to only be able to do so from their own subjective experiences? That's why people get together and collaborate, that's how works are written.

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I suspect it's a combination of factors, but meh. I've already been screened and found satisfactory by a few, but I need to keep pushing for more.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:51 PM   #66
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He would rather complain about how his generation is getting screwed by our generation. Wake up young man you are no different then the generation before you just different challenges ... The put old folks away for a little weed too poor boy.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:53 PM   #67
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I think sounds like a great way to screen for a date ... Tell em you will write about them and then when you finally find the one and get up the nerve you ask if you can experience first hand ... So smart
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:53 PM   #68
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And you extrapolate that from anything I've said... how?

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But am I not here offering to go where people are and talk to them in person? How can a person write an overview of this particular industry and expect to only be able to do so from their own subjective experiences? That's why people get together and collaborate, that's how works are written.

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I suspect it's a combination of factors, but meh. I've already been screened and found satisfactory by a few, but I need to keep pushing for more.
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:55 PM   #69
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Seems no Better then the guy that ripped of ginger
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:35 PM   #70
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I don't expect great literary insights into a hobby I have already spent most of my adult life enjoying , from someone who hasn't even been alive the whole time... nor do I expect any societal swayings from his inexperienced reporting... but we have wasted far greater time on far less interesting individuals... just sayin...

so far... I have been mildly entertained... I would LUV to know who his willing provider subjects are!! .... talk about potential skewed data!!
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:39 PM   #71
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@Revive

I'm being asked questions and merely answering. If you can't handle a mere back and forth conversation why do you seek one? Better yet how do you function in adult society?

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I'll get right on that remote.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:43 PM   #72
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Lol ... Yeah I cant handle it ... I'm uncivil? Right lol!
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:52 PM   #73
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This statement by a 23 yr. Is crap ...that's what my prob is


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Let me put it to you folks a different way, and at the very least maybe I'll amuse you a bit with a stump speech.

The world follows mentalities. If enough people think a certain way, inevitably some will act, some will follow, and sometimes things snowball here and there. It's like water spreading over a surface: pour enough for long enough and it will keep spreading out. The current problem that needs addressing seems to a kind of militarization of society: I've lived in this area for a large portion of my life and I don't recall off the top of my head any situations that would have required full swat teams everywhere to resolve, but every city in the area wants one.

I think someone I know phrased it pretty well once, and it went something like "You have these guys going into the police force who are looking for some action. They aren't there to defuse conflict or keep the peace, they are charging in seeking excitement". I would definitely agree with this, and when you have people with that sort of mentality certain things become easier. For instance, when you have a zero tolerance mentality and are going out seeking to go after people for any reason, it becomes very easy to go after non-violent offenders who definitely aren't hurting anybody and are doing something that should probably be legal in the first place. It becomes just so easy to try and pad your arrest record or make big, showy public arrests so you can stand on a soapbox and try and look tough for an election.

I can't be the only one who finds this mentality and the actions that it leads to disturbing. I ask you to place your faith in me for the purpose that I wish to fight for: rational and right thinking people have to have something to respond with in the face of crazy. People who respond with threats and recriminations in the face of truth and reason must be made to face more truth than they can cover up. The only people who can hand me the truth are those of you who know it and live it every day. I will spin it into a form that someone else will then distribute, and perhaps some impact will be made upon the mentality that leads to the problems I seek to address, perhaps alleviating what assails you on a daily basis. This is something that has never been done before to my knowledge, and I'm hoping that we can make this happen.

See, I knew you'd get a kick out of my naive and idealistic plea, yeah?
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Old 09-06-2011, 04:42 PM   #74
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Firstly, I'm 21. Secondly, I can't pass up this opportunity Revive. See, this isn't me being a smartass and talking down to people: were I in such a mood I would have responded to a number of your assertions much earlier in the thread in a fashion that would have left you raging at your computer for at least an hour, but I have chosen not to do so. The word of the day is "tact" my friend. Yaaaaaay!

You know I think I'll start with you Revive: what makes you tick? I'm not questioning your intelligence as doing so over a mere internet conversation would be silly. What I am questioning is the fact that you seem to find a large vocabulary actively offensive. Do big words hurt you revive? Were you beaten with a dictionary as a child? I occasionally run into individuals like yourself on the internet, but none have ever quite captivated me the way you have. I feel the need to study you.
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Old 09-06-2011, 04:47 PM   #75
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I'll get right on that remote.

Many thanks. Unable to get "Charlie Chan in the Case of the Scarlet Claw" off pause.
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