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[davidsmith0123]

Rand Al'Thor, I like your hypothesis that everything else the same, smaller cities would have higher prices because of the higher chances of being discovered. I'm sure that's an important factor, and potentially testable if one could control for that long list of other issues you mention. It might explain Sophia's west-TX observation as well. (But what about Killeen, or Waco? They are small but I believe they would be considered lower priced areas.)

I trust it is clear that I wasn't asking for names of anyone moving AUS-DAL or vice versa. Rather, I was asking if someone had knowledge of another who had made such a move and said they felt that AUS supported higher prices (or higher volume at given prices), or that they felt they had to lower prices in DAL. But your idea of looking at traveling providers is a good idea. Thanks.

[Rand Al'Thor]

West-TX, if we're talking about Midland, Odessa, and Lubbock, host many oil-field, well, and pipeline workers who make a higher wage than comparable labor in other industries. They also have a good number of business travelers. Kileen and Waco... Those cities seem to defy any theory we may have had, although if I had to reach for one, economy and proximity to larger cities might contribute. We do have a few posters from Kileen that participate on the Austin boards.

It was clear that you weren't looking for names, I'm just not sure that secondhand information like that would be reliable. Either way, I think looking at the travelers' rates would be easier and possibly give you a bigger set of numbers to look at.

[Sensual Sophia]

Originally Posted by davidsmith0123

It might explain Sophia's west-TX observation as well. (But what about Killeen, or Waco? They are small but I believe they would be considered lower priced areas.)

Kileen and Waco are easy to visit en route from another nearby metro area. West Texas and the Panhandle are nowhere's-ville. A girl from Dallas, Houston, Austin or San Antonio has to be making a serious commitment to drive or fly to those cities. I have been intending to go for about 2 years, knowing from all the requests I've had and intel from ladies who've been, that I would be booked solid and tipped generously. But I still haven't managed to find the time to make the trip.

Originally Posted by davidsmith0123

I trust it is clear that I wasn't asking for names of anyone moving AUS-DAL or vice versa. Rather, I was asking if someone had knowledge of another who had made such a move and said they felt that AUS supported higher prices (or higher volume at given prices), or that they felt they had to lower prices in DAL. But your idea of looking at traveling providers is a good idea. Thanks.

In general, a woman would have to be out of her mind to move from Austin to Dallas if the intent was to make more money in the hobby. But if the lady has something unique to offer then I suspect she might do alright. I have been asked to come by many and haven't made the trip, but I probably will soon. When Dallas guys contact me, it is usually because I have no tattoos or that I am not 100% shaved. They don't have that in Dallas. It will be an interesting experiment to see whether my niche appeal is able to earn me enough clients to make a trip to Dallas worthwhile.

Now what they do have in Dallas is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of hot 19 year-old spinners. Many of them visit Austin. I imagine some of them do quite well because they return for more.

[Sensual Sophia]

David,

You should also check out this excellent post from ChrisS who is an economist:
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=152320&postcount=33

Originally Posted by ChrisS

Whispers, et al, and Sensual Sophia,
All great points.* I, for one, have never shied away from controversial topics and I actually do enjoy these types of threads but I think many are too quick to take things personal.* With that in mind *please don’t shoot me. I am simply an economist who is offering an opinion on reasons “why something happens”, not if it is right or wrong.* Also, please don’t get offended if providers are “supply” and Johns are “demand”.* Finally, I could probably argue for the converse in many ways and this is not meant to be exhaustive list of complete inputs to the model.* *But I think these things all play a part in what is happening.** Sensual Sophia is on the right track…much of what is driving Austin is found in Economics. I don’t think Supply and Demand cover it all but it does play a part.* For those that know me, know I am an economist who likes to look at where markets “fail” and, to be fair, there is a little of that here but also a lot of other things where it is functioning EXACTLY how you would expect it too.
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For example, Supply and Demand play a part.* But I think that can be found in Demographics also.* Most in UT, as SS points out are “select”.* They got into a top university in Texas/region.* It isn’t a surprise that the Coeds I found in the hobby were from St. Eds, etc.* But because of many govt. programs, mom and dad’s money, etc, I think most are insulated from “need” in a big way.* They are usually upper middle class too.* Now, most young girls and guys I have known left college and went a few places, DFW #1 and Houston #2 with SA a distant #3.* But keep in mind, all those areas are 3, 4 and 5x the size of Austin.* The Demand is MUCH greater for their skills, hobby or not.* That addresses Demand.* For Supply, you get a preponderance of younger gals with fewer skills breaking into big markets.* Completely understandable that the supply would be there.* Whereas in Austin, you get the biggest # of 18-22 gals being in a university with less need to engage in activities (per capita as always) and on their way to DFW, Houston and SA.* Also, it is true that we have a higher per capita income in Austin.* We also have a much lower % of “poverty” and this often “drives” many into the business.*** I will not speak to racial demographics other than to say we have a very small minority population compared to other Texas cities (both % and #wise) and Asian and Subcontinent % are higher. Being a fan of Latinas (Durango, you are Da’ man), I am disappointed in this.* I wish we had more flavors of ladies (ala Shattner and the blue women).*
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Bigger issue, I think might be “network” effect.* Think eBay.* EBay works when LOTS of buyers and LOTS of sellers get together.* When they combine, it is a really good thing for all but drives the optimal “market” price.* You get much wider variance of “worth” price paid on Yahoo auctions than you do on eBay. I think our oasis might be “overpriced” compared to DFW but it also has some great bargains too.* *Also, once the markets are bigger, it provides more possibilities for “individuals” to recruit.* Many won’t but a few will.* And if you have more of the “few”, you will get lots more than those that just wandered in on their own.* Particularly I am thinking of a gal in Austin that has brought in about 4-5 other gals.* If there were more of her, there would be LOTS more gals.* But lower numbers mean lower inputs also. (and yes, the same goes for demand).
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Really big issue not addressed:* Tragedy of the Commons.* There is an old story where the people in England would keep a common field where each family could put a cow, kept in common for all the families.* All the “common areas” were destroyed.* Why, cause all the families put more than a single cow since it cost them nothing and all the land was “overgrazed”.* What happens is that many “new finds” are horded instead of being shared with the “common” eccie or ASSSSSPD crowd.* When someone finds a “great lay”, they are reluctant to share or if they do, they keep it to a few select individuals.* Not blaming them but what is left is fewer “new” gals that prop the numbers up, thus keeping the “supply” downàbigger effect in smaller market (also is a self perpetuating cycle as the $ cost more per gal and thus incentivizes this behavior).* For a great read on this, see the “insurance study of Philadelphia”.* When there is no price to pay for “using the common”, people over use it and kill it.* In this case, people are keeping away (or hoarding) new supply.* In a smaller market, this is a big deal. (ok, this isn’t completely TOTC but the general effect is the same).
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Then we get brand and “barrier to entry”.* Believe it or not, I think “breaking into” eccie as a provider is a bit hard. I have heard on previous boards that getting provider status was a “bitch”.* And that gals had to do things for some individuals that they didn’t want or like to get “status”.* I am not accusing anyone of anything here.* That is all hearsay .* But a more relevant point is that getting status is a “no turning back” point.* You are now, in your mind and others, a P4P gal.* Whereas BP or CL are just one time things.* That keeps supply much lower on a site like eccie.* For someone going into the biz for a short time (and don’t all think they will do this a short time?), taking that step might be a hard one.* Same thing happens in bigger cities but you get bigger pulls from bigger populations.
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As for Brand, many of the things listed above keep the “supply” low and lower still in Austin versus other, bigger communities (I think they all play together).* But what gals we do have (and I love them all), now have a “valuable” brand.* They are “proven safe” in regards to LE.* They have reviews which makes “bait and switch” or “cash and dash” a much lower risk.* They can charge a premium for that.*
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Finally, as regards to Strippers or such.* I totally understand.* A) most don’t know the “market” and, as pointed out, might be a bit naïve.** B) most work a full shift for the same amount that they can make for just a few hours with one of us but it is not “optimized” like it would be here.* C)* To be fair, and all us guys know this…Strippers are for the most part, self absorbed and hit and miss.* That can be a big, big plus.* But also a downer.* In short, it is an unknown quantity for the most part (also alluring at times).* Finally, D) strippers are (god love ‘em) all “going to Med school or law school”.* They are doing this for a short time usually on their way to “bigger and better things”.* Crossing the barrier to being a professional implies some sense of permanency.* Oh, and one last thing.* Though every provider here has a “right to refuse” at any time, most won’t unless it is bad.* They will see you, for the most part, no matter how bad you look or weight you have put on.* But strippers can be much more discerning when it comes to P4P (just my experience, my first gf out of college in the Army was a stripper…God I miss her).
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My one thing I can’t figure out is why we don’t get more “visiting” gals from Dallas.* For that, we might want to look at our “rep” or Brand on “how we treat our providers”. *My first mentor told me that when you are involved in something and it isn’t working, look at yourself first.* *I don’t know enough if we get a bad rep or not but when I visited DFW *2 years ago, I heard from one provider who said that she couldn’t get enough business and that the “payoff” wasn’t good enough for the trouble (In Austin).* I didn’t enquire as to specifics of “trouble” and it is only anecdotal but it makes me wonder if we have a bad rep or something.* Then again, many jack their rates automatically in Austin once they come here.
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Anyway, sorry for the long thread. *I am not passing judgement either way in this case.* IMHO, the market is “working”.* If you don’t like it, it is probably mostly dictated by the above issues.*
Finally, to providers.* I would urge you to pay attention to your “brand”.* Once it is damaged, it can’t be fixed.* Well, not easily.* Your reputation is the most important thing you have.* Don’t hurt it!
To the Gentlemen, I am one of you. Simply vote w/ our wallets. Simplest thing to do.
To everyone, civility at all times...except on bed. Then let loose with your dirtiest language!

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[davidsmith0123]

Thanks Sophie.

[Reya Sunshine]

Nice.

Originally Posted by eglrdr

Dad, is that you? If not, keep your idle fucking threats to yourself.



Speak for yourself



Here's another accurate use of it.

Attention Whore

Person who feels the need to have all eyes on them, via online message boards. An Attention Whore will write things about how thier health or families health in an attempt for sympathy. They will also do go to extremes as promoting themselves via threads on message boards to get people to choose sides over another person.

Compliments of the Urban Dictionary.