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Originally Posted by WTF
What individual liberty are you talking about? That State right bullshit is just figuring out who gets your balls , the State or the Feds. Try and spin that how ever you want but convincing me that the State is going to give me more freedom than the Feds is like trying to convince me that it is better to be killed by a Lion than a Tiger.
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Individual liberty that our founders were concerned with when drafting the Constitution. The fact that we have lost those liberties, for the most part, does not take away from the fact that some of us still believe we are entitled to them.
No one is going to get my balls without a fight but this is how the progressive movement erodes an argument. You make the case that I have already given up the liberties to which I am entitled so therefor I no longer have claim to them nor should I even be willing to fight for them.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! — I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry, 1775
Taking the stance that you are in a position of making a choice of having your balls cut off by the State or the Feds means that you have already submitted to both without a fight. Even worse is that you are claiming that all states are the same. That whatever state we live in we are bound to be subject to the same type of tyranny as the Federal Government is capable of. I believe that the majority of people in Colorado and Washington would disagree with you. I believe that the majority of people in Maine and Maryland would disagree as well. In Texas we have certain rights that citizens of some other states don't and vice versa but it is at least at a state level where it is highly more likely that I can have an influence on the decisions.
Perhaps you are familiar with the phrase "Laboratories of Democracy" popularized by SCOTUS Justice Louis Brandeis. It refers to the notion that outside the few, and very strict, confinements of the Constitution a "state may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country."
