MOAB kill total -- 36 ISIS fighters

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You're beginning to sound like a liberal .....

... as in global warming is making it colder!

WTF is singing the "bombs-cause-terrorists" this Easter!!!!

WTF believes:

The more we "bomb" off their peckers ... the more they fuck!

And you are freezing your ass off because the temp keeps rising.
Lemming logic.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

And you are freezing your ass off because the temp keeps rising.

No, because someone keeps turning down the thermostat on the AC to offset the external temperature increases. Gruber is laughing at you!

Do you have central AC? I didn't think so.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The author of that quote is the one who is clueless. "MOABs" have been designed, analyzed, and tested for a long time. A lot longer than most people realize. When used they make great photo-opp coverage, but don't really do much to "destroy" a tunnel complex. Some bunkers, yes. Tunnels/caves, not really. Rubbleize the entrance and destroy several meters into the complex, sure--but "destroy"? No.

When you get a chance, look up the DoD definition of "destroy" a tunnel complex. It is generally defined in terms of "closing the adit for a certain amount of time--typically in hours. Not what most consider "destroyed". And if the adversary was indeed destroyed in the first couple cases because they were not deep enough into the caves--guess what their counter is? Yep, move in deeper. They counter a multi-billion dollar munitions development program with a few strong backs.

One reason the USSR collapsed is we got them to spend themselves into it. We didn't learn that lesson very well. (Actually there ARE a number in DoD who have learned it, but they too often get overturned by presidents and Congresses who like photo ops that play well at reelection time.

So everyone 7ft below the surface, can out hunky dory, huh?

You are FULL OF SHIT, Old-T...

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Were any posting "post after post"?

Or are you just getting hysterical again?
Hysteria has nothing to do with it. You can go read numerous threads with numerous posts where some of the "illustrious" posters on here demonstrate the point. If you care how many, or care to debate exactly which posts include such a sentiment, go right ahead.

Your description of "the bomb" omits some elements of its value.

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"Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

".... You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. ....

"As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing."

Your "assumption" is that the "value" is "concussion"!
Not at all, that is why I didn't say "concussive radius" or some such term. Lethality depends upon a lot of things and has a lot of mechanisms.

It's just the opposite. The "thermobaric" function that is most devastating is the vacuum created when the air in the tunnels and caves are sucked out by the ignition of the fuel cloud at a level that destroys internal organs even if it does not obliterate their torsos within the fuel cloud when it ignites. As a munitions expert from the 60's you should know that already.
Typical of you. A few gratuitous insults. I never claimed to be a "60's munitions expert", nor a munitions expert of any type. Just someone who know more about the current weapons in the discussion than some other people on here.

You know, all that "intel" on "mission space" in comparison to the "lethal radius of the munition" you know so much about?
Why yes, that I do know quite a bit about. Certainly more than you seem to.

It is the weapon of choice to effectively destroy tunneling and caves not to mention those "hiding" within them, because those spaces (you call them "mission space") are confined and defined by the walls, floors, and ceilings carved out of the rock and solid debris.
This is where you outrun your headlights. First, MOAB is appropriate for some C/T depending upon what is in there, and what we know about it. And what the intent of the strike is, If it is humans, and they are careless/uninformed, it can be very effective. But it can be quite less effective against other C/T targets. The "weapon of choice" can still leave you with a far from good choice.

Perhaps that is why the death assessment has increased 3 fold after some "exploration" ... instead of 360 toes it sounds like they may have found closer to a 1,000 of them.

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[Old-T]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

So everyone 7ft below the surface, can out hunky dory, huh?

You are FULL OF SHIT, Old-T...

Hmmmm.... Since when did "several" equal "two"?

Have you seen the test data?

[Yssup Rider]

He wouldn't understand them without pictures. And even then....

[Old-T]

In this case the pictures and video of the tests is really pretty damn impressive.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

It's a good thing for the civilized World that you weren't calling the shots toward the end of WWII, particularly in the Pacific theater.

You know any "terrorists" bred from a "bomb"? I figured you didn't!

WWII was for the most part nation states war...you evidently do not understand the difference between the two types of fighting.

Look, I realize that if say the Soviets invaded this country , bombed your family deadand installed some puppet government you would probably join the Soviets ....but many of us would form a resistance to the foreign occupation.

We would be called terrorist, we would seek revenge on both the nation that dropped bombs on our family and their collaborators. That is a different type war. Much like a Civil War is different.


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[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Look, I realize that if say the Soviets invaded this country....

Who the fuck are the "Soviets"?

Hey fagboy, pick up the phone! The 1980s are calling! They want their foreign policy back!

Ooops - wrong libtard talking point! Sorry, that one is 4 years old!

Ok, let's start over again...

The "Soviets" are back! They're our Number One geo-political foe! Trump is Putin's puppet! Brace for the invasion!

Carry on, moron.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Who the fuck are the "Soviets"?

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Evidently according to Trump, they're the one's complicit in killing your precious Syrian babies. after the deep state got to Trump. Before that, they were just like us. Remember Trump saying all the bad stuff we had done too!



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[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

No, because someone keeps turning down the thermostat on the AC to offset the external temperature increases. Gruber is laughing at you!

I didn't think.

FIFY
Probably your caregiver turning down the temp old timer.
Everyone is laughing at you.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

WWII was for the most part nation states war...you evidently do not understand the difference between the two types of fighting.

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The only "fighting" you seem to comprehend is a "pillow struggle"!

"Nation war"? You still divert away from the topic of the thread!

So where is that "bomb bred terrorist" of whom you post?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

In this case the pictures and video of the tests is really pretty damn impressive.

"pictures and video" don't reveal the initial and secondary blast.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

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I summed up your "retort"!

If you don't understand the chemistry and physics ...

... just ask a firefighter, who has actually entered a burning building.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

Everyone is laughing at you.

You wouldn't know. Gruber was (and is) laughing at you!

He wasn't laughing at me, because you were the one duped.

And you still are DUPED!