Racism in the South, and Texas - Reply to Adav8s28 from closed thread

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Tiny, has the world really changed in the deep south? A black Fedex driver in Mississippi got shot at by two white guys while on the job. Have you ever heard of a white Fedex driver being shot at by anyone while on the job.

Not much has changed in the deep south regarding general attitude towards black people. This is 2023. The Civil War ended in 1865. Two recent examples of overt racism are the white boaters attacking the black dock worker and the incident with the black Fedex driver being shot at for no reason by two white guys.

The only thing that's different is if you can run the football like Hershal Walker or Bo Jackson you can get a scholarship to play football in the South Eastern conference. When Joe Namath was the QB at the Univ of Alabama in the early 1960's that was not the case.

The bastards at MSNBC and Newsmax and most main stream media in between mislead and stoke moral outrage to sell more commercials. Don't believe everything they say.

Those two examples aren't good Adav8s28. They're anecdotal for one thing. Yes, Ahmaud Arbery and the Fedex driver make the headlines, and they're travesties. However, in any give year, over twice as many whites are killed by blacks, as blacks are killed by whites:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

As to Montgomery, Alabama, I thought the same as you do. However, Winn Dixie, videos, and accounts of the incident changed my mind. I believe the local prosecutor was correct in not charging anyone with a hate crime or a felony. However, when you look at all the evidence, the case for racially motivated assault is stronger for black on white than white on black. This is based on the following,

1. The white pontoon boaters were drunk assholes, who refused to move their boat, despite requests from the white captain of the Riverboat and others.
2. They attacked both the heavy set black co-captain and the young white dockworker who accompanied him. The cameras didn't clearly show the assault on the dockworker, who disappears to the right of the camera, but he was injured severely enough to go to the hospital.
3. The white pontoon boaters didn't really attack the black bystander from Michigan who intervened.
4. In the aftermath of the initial assault, blacks attacked a couple of whites who weren't involved in the original altercation, in addition to the guilty parties.

There's a lot more in Winn Dixie's thread in case you missed all that.

As to the rest of your post, I replied to D'Ninja in another thread earlier today, but had your thoughts in mind when I wrote the second part of it. So I'll repeat it here:

Originally Posted by Tiny

The situation is indeed more complicated. Why do cities in states like Louisiana, Alabama and Arkansas, run coincidentally or not by Democrats, dominant the list of the most violent places in America, in your link in your OP?

Look at the larger picture. The countries with the highest homicide rates in the world are in the Caribbean and certain Latin American countries. As you say, it's not a function of melanin though. Most countries in Africa have much lower homicide rates, with certain exceptions like South Africa. As do South American countries that had small indigenous populations.

What places with high homicide rates have in common is a history of exploitation and oppression. The Spaniards exploited the natives in the New World. They were little more than slaves. And the slave owners and slave traders did the same in the Caribbean and the American South. It was a brutal life for the oppressed.

The end of slavery in America was followed by 100 years of further oppression, with Jim Crow laws and the like.

And who was responsible for this? Who enabled it? Well, the Democratic Party. A Republican government ended slavery with the Civil War, and Republicans overwhelmingly voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Now, in 2023, the racists in the Democratic Party are mostly dead and gone. My friend Adav8s28 argues they just joined the Republican Party, but he's wrong IMO. I think the problem now is what we have left over from history, not racism and exploitation in today's America like what we had in the past.

So how do we move forward? What's the long term solution? Well, McCain had a good point, look at poverty. Two things that would help,

1. Better schools that prepare people for the real world. Give kids the ability to become plumbers, mechanics, doctors and lawyers instead of gang members.

2. More help to poor kids and poor single mothers.

The Democrats could do more to promote "1", and the Republicans could to more to help with "2".

It would also be great if most poor kids had both parent involved in their lives when they were growing up. That would help them economically and developmentally. But how to accomplish that is way beyond my paygrade.

One other comment, about another topic you brought up, incarceration rates. DucButter linked to a video of a speaker who formerly was a Progressive who worked for George Soros. I'll link to it below. Anyway, the guy now calls himself a liberal instead, and he shares our view that incarceration rates are too high. However he believes progressives missed the boat, when they just started turning people out onto the street. His solutions are more emphasis on helping prisoners and others with mental health, and drug rehabilitation. And also instead of locking people up, using probation and the like more frequently. All good ideas IMHO.

[Levianon17]

I grew up in the Midwest and I've lived in the South. I had always noticed Blacks are happier and friendlier in the South than they are up North. So Racism can't be that bad in the South. I think people just regard the South as being more racist.

[Lucas McCain]

I will ask some questions for the experts who pretend to know everything:

1) How many of you have taken a black history class?
2) How many of you have taken a sociology class?
3) How many of you have read the autobiographies of Malcom X or MLK?
4) How many of you have read Mark Mathabane's acclaimed initial book?

I have... my point is this; I could write a short novel in this thread, but I'm not wasting my time arguing with a bunch of people on a whore board who didn't put in the time to learn like I did. I did it not only because of intellectual curiosity, but also to understand a different culture than mine better.

Therefore, I will just say the South has a lot of racism. But to compare it to the time when there was segregation is quite the stretch. On the flip side, you could argue that the South is just more open about it and the racists there just don't bother to hide because of no fear of condemnation.

The bottom line is most people are more comfortable with others who look like them and they can relate to. That fact will never change during my lifetime. The question of whether that is racist is a whole different thread.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

I will ask some questions for the experts who pretend to know everything:

1) How many of you have taken a black history class?
2) How many of you have taken a sociology class?
3) How many of you have read the autobiographies of Malcom X or MLK?
4) How many of you have read Mark Mathabane's acclaimed initial book?

I have... my point is this; I could write a short novel in this thread, but I'm not wasting my time arguing with a bunch of people on a whore board who didn't put in the time to learn like I did. I did it not only because of intellectual curiosity, but also to understand a different culture than mine better.

Therefore, I will just say the South has a lot of racism. But to compare it to the time when there was segregation is quite the stretch. On the flip side, you could argue that the South is just more open about it and the racists there just don't bother to hide because of no fear of condemnation.

The bottom line is most people are more comfortable with others who look like them and they can relate to. That fact will never change during my lifetime. The question of whether that is racist is a whole different thread.

The one person who participated in this thread and who does know shit from Shinola is Blackman, and he's currently banned.

Mathabane's Kaffir Boy provides excellent examples of oppression and exploitation in South Africa, which fit nicely with my theory or hypothesis or whatever you social scientists call it:

Originally Posted by Tiny

Look at the larger picture. The countries with the highest homicide rates in the world are in the Caribbean and certain Latin American countries. As you say, it's not a function of melanin though. Most countries in Africa have much lower homicide rates, with certain exceptions like South Africa.As do South American countries that had small indigenous populations.

What places with high homicide rates have in common is a history of exploitation and oppression. The Spaniards exploited the natives in the New World. They were little more than slaves. And the slave owners and slave traders did the same in the Caribbean, Brazil and the American South. It was a brutal life for the oppressed.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The one person who participated in this thread and who does know shit from Shinola is Blackman, and he's currently banned.

Mathabane's Kaffir Boy provides excellent examples of oppression and exploitation in South Africa, which fit nicely with my theory or hypothesis or whatever you social scientists call it:

what does that tell ya?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The one person who participated in this thread and who does know shit from Shinola is Blackman, and he's currently banned.

Mathabane's Kaffir Boy provides excellent examples of oppression and exploitation in South Africa, which fit nicely with my theory or hypothesis or whatever you social scientists call it:

Originally Posted by Levianon17

what does that tell ya?

It tells me you like to take things out of context. Plenty of people on this board have been banned of all different races. Race has nothing to do with conduct. Implying that it does is itself biased.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It tells me you like to take things out of context. Plenty of people on this board have been banned of all different races. Race has nothing to do with conduct. Implying that it does is itself biased.

no, I don't take anything out of context. I do know a trouble maker when I see one. Race is not the problem in this country. Liberals want to use it as a tool.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Good grief

From the person who once had the Confederate Flag in his Avatar and then followed it up with a picture of Jefferson Davis.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Mathabane's Kaffir Boy provides excellent examples of oppression and exploitation in South Africa, which fit nicely with my theory or hypothesis or whatever you social scientists call it:

I left the name of Mark Mathabane's book out for a reason. In South Africa, it is a word that is considered to be even more of an insult than the despicable and derogatory racist word used here in this country.

Anyway, Emmett Till was tragically murdered on this day in the deep South 68 years ago today. I read his autobiography as well. I was the same age as him (14) when he was murdered when I read it, so it was hard to understand such a senseless murder without understanding the true context of how fucked up the South was back then.

I never told my black friends that I was reading the book because I did not want them to know how little their lives were valued at that time in history solely because of the color of their skin.

In closing, I think of shit like that and that is why I could never support Trump. I don't believe Trump is racist at all. But he refuses to condemn the racist dipshits who love him. I understand he wants their votes, but you can't empower people like that.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

I left the name of Mark Mathabane's book out for a reason. In South Africa, it is a word that is considered to be even more of an insult than the despicable and derogatory racist word used here in this country.

Anyway, Emmett Till was tragically murdered on this day in the deep South 68 years ago today. I read his autobiography as well. I was the same age as him (14) when he was murdered when I read it, so it was hard to understand such a senseless murder without understanding the true context of how fucked up the South was back then.

I never told my black friends that I was reading the book because I did not want them to know how little their lives were valued at that time in history solely because of the color of their skin.

After reading your post I downloaded Mathabane's book to Kindle and read the first chapter. He's a very gifted writer. I'll probably eventually finish the book. So thanks for that.

I was left wondering how accurate the book is. He seems to remember tiny details from when he was very young. But then on the other hand he doesn't sugar coat his own behavior either.

[Lucas McCain]

Tiny, I was quite the curious little shit when I was a kid. My dad made us read 10 books a month. I never cared for fiction or fantasy to read like my siblings, so I just read autobiographies. I was all over the damn place. I would read Elvis Pressly's autobiography one week, and then read one on Geronimo or Fredrick Douglass the next.

Anyway, I didn't know what apartheid was about, so I started reading books about that as well and that is why I read Mr. Mathabane's initial novel. I was young when I read it, so I don't remember the quality of the content, but I just remember that it was very enlightening to me at the time to gain a better understanding of the answers I sought about a subject that I was ignorant about.

I don't know what changed over time. I used to be productive and read books to absorb knowledge. And now I waste that time on a whore board and other sites that are hardly intellectually stimulating... I guess I am just sick of learning new shit now. Haha