Global Warming - It's Complicated

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

Originally Posted by BigLouie

My point is that global warming is not entirely correct what is happening is climate change and in our case, not for the better. Even people who try to dispute the so called "global warming" do so with models that show that the climate changes over time. Is it going to get extremely cold or extremely hot, past models show that it is going to do both at some point.

Back peddle a little faster there fella. There is a huge difference between acknowledging that the climate changes over time - we have ample proof of that - and claiming that humans are somehow responsible for changing the climate, or that humans can somehow stop climate change.

The truth is we don't KNOW that we are in a warming cycle at present. We don't have nearly enough data to arrive at a conclusion. 25 million years ago the earth was a giant frozen snowball, with glaciers reaching all the way to the equator. It took a couple million years for the earth to freeze solid, and about 15 million years for the earth to thaw out.

Scientists are attempting to draw conclusions about climate cycles that take place over millions of years, using data that encompasses less than 0.1% of that time frame. Any statistician will tell you that it is impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from such a microscopic data set.

In other words, NO actually we DON'T know that global warming is occurring right now, and we sure as hell don't know that human activity is the cause of it.

[timpage]

Everybody is an expert. Except the climatologists who really are the experts. Let me think....who should I believe? The people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying climate? Or the fossil fuel companies who stand to lose billions of dollars if the changes being recommended by the climatologists take place? Hmmmm.....

Fucking idiots remind me of the simpletons who bought the tobacco companies' arguments that cigarettes didn't really cause cancer when the surgeon general's report on smoking came out.

[Whirlaway]

You talk like the "experts" are in complete agreement on global warming being a man-made crisis.....................

Originally Posted by timpage

Everybody is an expert. Except the climatologists who really are the experts.

News Flash: There is NOT complete agreement; in fact, more climatologist disagree than agree on the causes...........NOT DEVELOPING YOU SIMPLETON!

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

You talk like the "experts" are in complete agreement on global warming being a man-made crisis.....................




News Flash: There is NOT complete agreement; in fact, more climatologist disagree than agree on the causes...........NOT DEVELOPING YOU SIMPLETON!

I could link you to a virtually endless list of sources that completely refute your statement. Way over 90% of the folks who make their living studying the climate agree that (1) the climate is warming and (2) humans are playing a role in that warming. You deny it, you can ignore it, you can say whatever you want to about it. But, those are the facts. Now, get back to pretending that you are Matt Sludge saving the world from progressives with your child-like postings.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...vey/index.html

[EXTXOILMAN]

Originally Posted by timpage

I could link you to a virtually endless list of sources that completely refute your statement. Way over 90% of the folks who make their living studying the climate agree that (1) the climate is warming and (2) humans are playing a role in that warming. You deny it, you can ignore it, you can say whatever you want to about it. But, those are the facts. Now, get back to pretending that you are Matt Sludge saving the world from progressives with your child-like postings.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...vey/index.html

And therein lies the scam, TP. The vast majority of scientists that support your side get their funding from governments to pay their freight. Can you say conflict of interest??

[Yssup Rider]

and the government gets its money from us. Can you say hollow argument?

[EXTXOILMAN]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

and the government gets its money from us. Can you say hollow argument?

You really should try harder, Assup.

[Whirlaway]

Your CNN link is from 2009.......before the scandal that revealed the false science and cheating at the UK climate change lab.

We now know the science behind their data was false and manipulated. And based on real science, climatologist are abandoning that rat infested ship.......

From Before The East Anglia Scandal only about 60% agreed:

http://www.nas.org/articles/Estimate...Global_Warming

and after (more recent) even less:

http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/16/c...lobal-warming/

Originally Posted by timpage

I could link you to a virtually endless list of sources that completely refute your statement. Way over 90% of the folks who make their living studying the climate agree that (1) the climate is warming and (2) humans are playing a role in that warming. You deny it, you can ignore it, you can say whatever you want to about it. But, those are the facts. Now, get back to pretending that you are Matt Sludge saving the world from progressives with your child-like postings.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...vey/index.html

[timpage]

Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

And therein lies the scam, TP. The vast majority of scientists that support your side get their funding from governments to pay their freight. Can you say conflict of interest??

I get what you're saying.

I don't profess to know. Unlike everybody else, I'm not a climatologist. But, when the choice is between scientists who do nothing but climatology....and the Koch Brothers, who do nothing but make money on fossil fuels, and who are the primary financiers of the climate change denial crowd.....I'm going with the scientists.

The science is overwhelming on it and I just don't think the thousands and thousands of climatologists who have worked on the issue are engaged in some nefarious scam designed to get money from the government. Do you think cancer researchers are scamming us as well?

[Whirlaway]

The science is NOT overwhelming on man made impacts of global warming.......................

[EXTXOILMAN]

Originally Posted by timpage

I get what you're saying.

I don't profess to know. Unlike everybody else, I'm not a climatologist. But, when the choice is between scientists who do nothing but climatology....and the Koch Brothers, who do nothing but make money on fossil fuels, and who are the primary financiers of the climate change denial crowd.....I'm going with the scientists.

The science is overwhelming on it and I just don't think the thousands and thousands of climatologists who have worked on the issue are engaged in some nefarious scam designed to get money from the government. Do you think cancer researchers are scamming us as well?

No. But then cancer research hasn't been politicized to the point MMGW has. It doesn't go far beyond shaming people into not smoking or eating healthier. (Unless you live in NYC under Doomberg.) MMGW advocates want to dictate the entire patterns of behavior of evryone, except, of course, for Russia, N. Korea, the African continent, much of Central and South America, etc., etc.. It's mostly us capitalists pigs who bear the brunt of the vitriol.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The science is NOT overwhelming on man made impacts of global warming.......................

Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 390 ppm. That's 30% more than the highest natural levels over the past 800,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

We also know the additional CO2 in the atmosphere comes mainly from coal and oil, because the chemical composition of the CO2 contains a unique "fingerprint.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

No. But then cancer research hasn't been politicized to the point MMGW has. It doesn't go far beyond shaming people into not smoking or eating healthier. (Unless you live in NYC under Doomberg.) MMGW advocates want to dictate the entire patterns of behavior of evryone, except, of course, for Russia, N. Korea, the African continent, much of Central and South America, etc., etc.. It's mostly us capitalists pigs who bear the brunt of the vitriol.

+1

[Whirlaway]

The U.S. Department of Energy has just published its estimates of global carbon dioxide emissions for the year 2010, concluding emissions rose by 6 percent from 2009 to 2010. This constitutes the largest rise in emissions yet recorded and means global emissions are rising faster than any of the scenarios advanced by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its 2007 report. Global warming activists are claiming the 2010 rise in emissions proves global warming is even worse than previously feared – but exactly the opposite is the case.

The new emissions data support the arguments of skeptics asserting carbon dioxide emissions do not impact global temperatures as much as IPCC computer models predict.

The fact that global temperatures are not rising despite such a significant increase in carbon dioxide emissions provides validation of skeptical arguments, not a cause for heightened alarm.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...rise-emissions

[timpage]

Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

No. But then cancer research hasn't been politicized to the point MMGW has. It doesn't go far beyond shaming people into not smoking or eating healthier. (Unless you live in NYC under Doomberg.) MMGW advocates want to dictate the entire patterns of behavior of evryone, except, of course, for Russia, N. Korea, the African continent, much of Central and South America, etc., etc.. It's mostly us capitalists pigs who bear the brunt of the vitriol.

But, isn't that because there's no special interest group, like the fossil fuel industry, protecting cancer?

Also, your argument seems to have shifted from "there is no MMGW" to "everybody else is doing it, why shouldn't we." lol....

Again, I don't know. Frankly, it's not an issue I care that much about....But, I just can't get behind the idea that all these scientists are scamming to make money. The people in the mix who have the most skin in the game, and thus a motivation to scam, is Big Oil. They are protecting hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in profits.