Trump: "Fauci is a disaster. If I listened to him, we’d have 500,000 deaths

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

YR has a dick fetish. he spammed just about everyone he hates with dick pics. thankfully, the mods made him stop.

So are we saying that YR is Jeffy Toobin IRL? Makes sense...

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

I just can't make it clear enough for the TDS crowd. Their first major hurdle is reading comprehension, which is exponentially exacerbated by deficiencies in the basics of the English language.

Learn the important definitions of two simple words. Should only take the average TDS sufferer two, maybe three years. Ready? Go:
From
With

At best, according to the CDC:
9,642 have died from COVID
200,000 people died with COVID

Of the 9,642 that have died from COVID, it is presumed because it was the only possible cause listed on the death certificate.

Of the 200,000 people who died with COVID, they had, on average, 2.6 comorbidities. No one single cause was listed.

Unfortunately, the CDC has yet to list serious mental disorders as causes of death. When they do, the numbers of people that die from TDS will be a national health emergency. Oddly enough, not for the survivors.

Those are the facts, from the CDC. They are from the death certificates. (repeating for the Stage 4 TDS crowd) Also, see below: The [You] is the TDS crowd, not the referenced poster.

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

So let us slap a CV on the table that says Fauci is a fraud and responsible for mass murder. The CV also says Mark Zuckerburg is an accomplice as well as [You]. Let me explain these three co-conspirators a bit more clearly for [You]:

• Fauci and every scientists that played with politics and economics instead of staying in their science lane and practicing sound scientific methods
• Mark Zuckerburg and every media outlet that censored differing opinions and actual facts
• [You] and everyone else that fell for the above fraudsters along with their suppression and allowed it to continue. Ye verily, parroted their fraud mindlessly.

Ivor Cummings posted three very short Tweets in the below link, two have a short video (2 min) from the CV and a simple graphic.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/statu...793836032?s=20

Later, I may share with [You] what the prosecuting lawyers have to say.

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

For me, the biggest two problems, and what really killed those 220,000 people is culture, especially the left, buying in on the "Expert Class" bullshit.

People have turned "Science" (capitalized and quotated for emphasis) into a goddamn cult of abject stupidity where the priests are to never be questioned.

Anyone mad at Trump for downplaying the 'rona needs to be at least twice as mad at the so-called experts because the first 4-5 months was total guessing and then political grandstanding. People died by the droves because they wouldn't admit that they didn't know what they were dealing with.

This year has been extremely educational about how full of shit and political academia is.

[reddog1951]

Regarding "I honestly don't give a shit about the masks as long as it's not the government making me wear it. Businesses want to mandate it, that's fine. Their property, their rules, just like how I don't allow Coca Cola in my house." and similar comments:

I guess Joe-Mentia must be contagious; the topic of masks has been thoroughly discussed on this forum, yet many of you fail to retain the understanding that the mask you wear is not worn to protect you...it is work to protect the other guy as is the mask the other guy wears is worn to protect you. Why is that so hard to understand and retain? Yes, N95 masks are a different beast, but they are not recommended to the general public for a variety of reasons. I won't bother to discuss the science of viral particle size here because many are not capable of understanding.

It is an issue of Public Health for which there are numerous examples of that need outweighing individual "freedoms" (STD contact tracing, pre-school vaccines, seat belts, etc.) Let me pose it another way. Suppose you live on a lake (maybe outside city limits, relative lax building codes, say). You have a new neighbor build a house on the lot next to you and that new neighbor decides to dump his raw sewage directly into your shared lake instead of putting in a septic tank. I'm betting you would be outraged that the neighbor is spewing his shit into your lake.
Well, if the guy next to you is not wearing a mask, they are spewing their shit into your face.

[reddog1951]

WYID - how many people die each year on average of suicide?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

YR has a dick fetish. he spammed just about everyone he hates with dick pics. thankfully, the mods made him stop.

Uh we should dive a little deeper into that, BP.

Who originally posted he 20 dick pics? YOU!

Tell the truth now, BP!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Speaking of dicks

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Regarding "I honestly don't give a shit about the masks as long as it's not the government making me wear it. Businesses want to mandate it, that's fine. Their property, their rules, just like how I don't allow Coca Cola in my house." and similar comments:

I guess Joe-Mentia must be contagious; the topic of masks has been thoroughly discussed on this forum, yet many of you fail to retain the understanding that the mask you wear is not worn to protect you...it is work to protect the other guy as is the mask the other guy wears is worn to protect you. Why is that so hard to understand and retain? Yes, N95 masks are a different beast, but they are not recommended to the general public for a variety of reasons. I won't bother to discuss the science of viral particle size here because many are not capable of understanding.

It is an issue of Public Health for which there are numerous examples of that need outweighing individual "freedoms" (STD contact tracing, pre-school vaccines, seat belts, etc.) Let me pose it another way. Suppose you live on a lake (maybe outside city limits, relative lax building codes, say). You have a new neighbor build a house on the lot next to you and that new neighbor decides to dump his raw sewage directly into your shared lake instead of putting in a septic tank. I'm betting you would be outraged that the neighbor is spewing his shit into your lake.
Well, if the guy next to you is not wearing a mask, they are spewing their shit into your face.

I'm perfectly aware. If I thought the mask was there to protect me, I wouldn't be wearing it at all. I understand that it's to protect others and that 80% of covid cases express no symptoms.

What you fail to understand is:
1.) Absolutely nothing outweighs individual freedom. You cannot have a "collective" without the individual.

2.) I don't give a shit about anyone else's health. It's not my responsibility. I was mentally prepared for 20 million people in this country to die, so to me, this has been an outstanding success, though after seeing the quality of posting from both sides in this forum, I think another spike in infections might be beneficial.

3.) No one can compel me to give a shit about it on my property or public property. I will not ever consent to government mandated mask wearing, contact tracing, or vaccination.

4.) Note the word "mandated" in #3. I am not anti-vaccination, and I do see the value in mask wearing.

I think the easiest way to explain this is to look how the Governor and the Mayor of Austin interacted earlier this year:

Wheels, like most republicans, is pro-mask wearing and social distancing, but expects people to be adults. Textbook small government, which I agree with

Ira, like most liberal coastie dick suckers, is pro mask wearing and social distancing, and because he thinks people agree with him, it should be a law. Textbook big government, which I oppose with every atom of my being.

Please let me know if you have any questions about my position.

[1blackman1]

I guess you don’t wear condoms either. Since you don’t care about your health or others.

Actually you’re just full of shit and trying to sound like you are some kinda freedom fighter. While you’re actually a dipshit.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I guess you don’t wear condoms either. Since you don’t care about your health or others.

Actually you’re just full of shit and trying to sound like you are some kinda freedom fighter. While you’re actually a dipshit.

I do if she wants to, otherwise I don't care, and I get checked regularly. So far, I've never caught anything.

The only freedom I fight for is my own. You can continue to supplicate yourself like a european subject all you want so long as you don't fuck with mine.

[reddog1951]

Gaston, do you not realized that your opening paragraph and point 2 are logically contradictory? The rest of your reply seems to focus on your perceived "rights". On occasion, public good outweighs individual preference. I presume you think it's your right to drive on the left side of the road at night without headlights (ok, maybe you're Brtish)? By the way, such driving is illegal to protect the hapless you might hit, as well as to protect you.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong

What good has Fauci done?

Nothing.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Gaston, do you not realized that your opening paragraph and point 2 are logically contradictory? The rest of your reply seems to focus on your perceived "rights". On occasion, public good outweighs individual preference. I presume you think it's your right to drive on the left side of the road at night without headlights (ok, maybe you're Brtish)? By the way, such driving is illegal to protect the hapless you might hit, as well as to protect you.

I don't see how they're contradictory, understanding and caring are two separate things. I understand that the mask is meant for me to protect other people, it's just that I don't care.

But then why do I wear a mask when I go into store?

Firstly because the establishment requires it, and it would be hypocritical of me to disrespect their rules but expect people to abide by my rules. So I do try to set a good example in that regard.

Secondly, The masks today have been elevated to the same totemic level as wearing a cross in puritanical company. It conveys a certain level of cooperation and camaraderie and makes other people you might deal with more cooperative.

And again, I disagree with the assertion that the "public good" is more important than individual rights. The "public" thought it was "good" to burn jews, witches, and to put black people in shackles.

That being said, your analogy for instance with traffic laws: Due to the nature and speed of the conveyance, having everyone roughly playing by the same rules has tremendous benefit to the individual, which is then positive for the group. However, people still regularly drive faster than posted speeds, drive through red lights when no one else is around, and regularly fail to signal.

Freedom doesn't necessarily mean the absence of order. Freedom is consent. For example, I would not consent to some of the ideas floated in Scandinavia where vehicle speed is to be controlled by satellite.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

N95 mask filters up to 95% of particles as small as 0.3 microns.
The COVID viron is ~0.1 microns in size.
Do the math. Enjoy.

I gave two friends who had Covid vitamins you described here along with aspirin and famotidine and instructions from a hospital web site on doses to take. They both took them and both believe they came through the experience easier and in better shape as a result. One likes Trump more than you do, and was planning to use hydroxychloroquine that his family doctor told him he'd prescribe if he came down with Covid. However, he ended up taking your vitamin cocktail instead. Why? Well, he's as hard headed as you are, so it wasn't my advice. It was because the vitamins, aspirin and famotidine overlapped a lot with what Trump took when he had Covid.

So what's my point? You've helped two of my friends. I've tried to help you and others similarly but you're not listening. I've posted links to papers that describe how medical personnel and their patients using masks reduced coronavirus infection rates with masks. Studies where humans with Covid coughed through masks and where laboratory rats with Covid were separated by partitions simulating masks. Metastudies, encompassing tens of studies that show the benefits of masks for prevention of spread of coronaviruses. But they haven't had much of an effect. You always come back to influenza and "physics."

Well, I don't know jack about the biology of viruses. But I am equipped to understand physics and fluid dynamics as they relate to Covid 19. I took several classes dealing with fluid flow and mass transfer in college, and used it when I went to work in the real world. I've written and used computer programs to simulate flow of fluids.

So I just spent my lunch hour researching your point above. There are several considerations you may not be aware of.

First, the Covid virion may be around 0.1 microns in size, but that's not how it travels. When it's expelled from your lungs, it's attached to water vapor and solid residue. So when the virus is expelled through your mask, or hits your mask, it's typically in a droplet or particle that's much larger, up to 10 microns in size. In fact, the Viral Filtration Efficiency method for testing masks created by Nelson Laboratories described below uses a 3 micron particle for testing.

Second, the mechanisms by which masks in general and N95 masks in particular operate are not strictly like a screen. Smaller particles are trapped by electrostatic attraction, between the fibers in the mask and particles containing the virions. And also by diffusion, which I guess would happen when the virions are attached to water vapor or you have water vapor created by exhaling, and the virus diffuses onto the fibers.

Third, the intermediate sized particles are actually the most likely to get through the mask. The larger particles are trapped by interception, or screening. The smaller ones as stated above.

Fourth, which you already know, the preceding means you can end up with the Covid Virus on your mask, and as you've wisely counseled here, people should be hygienic and cautious in the way they put on and take off masks. Ideally you'd like to dispose of masks regularly, although I tend to lay them to the side for a few days and then reuse them.

Fifth, the amount of virus that enters your respiratory system has a bearing on whether you're going to be infected and how sick you're going to get. You're unlikely to get infected if you inhaled a single virion, if that could even happen. If you're attending choir practice without a mask with someone who's expelling lots of coronavirus you're probably going to get sick. So masks by cutting down the quantity of virus are doing a lot of good, even if they don't completely eliminate it from the air around us.

This paper is enlightening:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...4.2016.1225157

Take a look at table 3. First, it measures PFE (particulate filtration efficiency). This is done with inorganic particles, polystyrene latex (PSL), 0.1 microns in size, the same size roughly as the Covid 19 virion, assuming it were traveling by itself, unattached to water vapor, solid residue, or other virions. The writers of the paper go to pains to show that the mechanisms by which masks filter inorganic particles like PSL are the same as for viruses and bacteria. In the table, you'll note that PFE filtration efficiency for N95 masks is 99.74% to 99.99%. For non-N95 surgical masks (SM in the table), efficiency is 98.26% to 98.66%.

Also, take a look at the VFE (viral filtration efficiency) column. These particles are 0.1 micron viruses inside of 3 micron hosts, more typical of how the virus actually travels. You'll see filtration efficiency in most instances is higher than for the PSL particles.

I'm not saying masks are the be all and end all. Social distancing, staying home when you're sick or have been in close contact with people who have contact, and being judicious about where you are all just as important. And they're all easy to do and don't cost much money. With respect to the last, being judicious, if I'm going to a popular restaurant with people for lunch, I'm going to try to talk them into 11:00 AM or 1:00 PM instead of noon. And I'm probably not going to an indoor sporting event. Handwashing is also important.

[reddog1951]

Kinda weird logic. I guess you believe that smallpox was eradicated (yeah I'm aware of governmental stockpiles) and polio at least rare today because of freedom of consent and not public health efforts and governmental mandates.

[reddog1951]

Tiny, well written and scientifically sound. Kudos. Unfortunately, over the head of many here that don't care to be educated.

[TryWeakly]

Didnt anyone happen to notice that the N95 masks are NOT what is being sold by every Bodega ?

Fidget spinners, then masks.

When the architects of this great Pandemic missed the projection that not everyone would be able to get an N95 mask, then they said "any mask" .... which opened the floodgates for the latest Chinese influx of shit masks made from leftover materials... just like Fidget spinners were made from leftover plastic and bearings that didnt pass the lowLowLow QC standards for those to be placed into anything else besides a toy.


Open your eyes, fools.