This country is in a better/worse place

[jackfengshui]

The "good" news is that most hobbyists around here appear to be politically conservative.

The bad news is that most conservative politicians that the predominantly conservative hobbyists are likely to favor tend to be the least enlightened about sexuality and prostitution. Family values, anyone?

[Guest070916]

TTYTT I don't see how there is any good news to that......ijs

[JohnnyCap]

Thanks for the poll, but I don't think it can be answered. Yes to all. I think the whole party system is in need of overhaul.

Recently I quoted Karl Marx to a liberal friend of mine. My quote was heavily socialist, but he didnt see that, he called me a conservative with a heart. My point is that even educated Americans lose sight of an issue, feeling compelled to attach it to a party or agenda rather than consider its own merits/facets.

[MC]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

The bad news is that most conservative politicians that the predominantly conservative hobbyists are likely to favor tend to be the least enlightened about sexuality and prostitution.

At least in public. When it comes to politicians, it's say one thing, do another.

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by MC

When it comes to politicians, it's say one thing, do another.

You are right, of course. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many anti-gay conservative politicians are, in fact, gay!

[Guest121613]

I agree. I have yet to figure how to frame public discussion in conservative ranks on legalization of prostition.

I think part of the reason hobbiest support conservatism, is ironically, in this climate, conservatives are better champions of liberterian ideals, and liberalism (the old champion of freedoms) is removing freedoms, and exerting more control, especially concerning freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

The "good" news is that most hobbyists around here appear to be politically conservative.

The bad news is that most conservative politicians that the predominantly conservative hobbyists are likely to favor tend to be the least enlightened about sexuality and prostitution. Family values, anyone?

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

I think part of the reason hobbiest support conservatism, is ironically, in this climate, conservatives are better champions of liberterian ideals,

That might be true. Unfortunately for the conservative hobbyists, for every Ron Paul, there are probably 10 "God-fearing" Rick Santorums.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

The "good" news is that most hobbyists around here appear to be politically conservative.

The bad news is that most conservative politicians that the predominantly conservative hobbyists are likely to favor tend to be the least enlightened about sexuality and prostitution. Family values, anyone?

Republican Party dos not represent Republicans or Conservatives. If the members do not or can not take it back. The party will have the same fate as the ash's it came from.

[DDarkness]

I know I know you've all been saying when the hell is that ULTRA FREAKING CONSERVATIVE DDarkness going to voice his thoughts!

First off some facts!
-The current government is FUCKED! It is a dysfunctional group of ideologues who identify and attempt to appease their small group of constituents who do not represent the majority in this country,
-Whether you lean left or right you're taking it up the ass with taxes (being taxed enough or not enough) and the reality is that a comprehensive change in Tax Laws have to take place so that there is a more equal distribution of responsibility (hang on don't go all crazy on me hear me out) to fund the government and support the efforts of both our, local, state, and national agencies ...
-National DEFENSE is an essential part of the governments responsibility! A STRONG WELL TRAINED AND EQUIPPED STANDING MILITARY is essential for the protection of our interests ... that means SPENDING MONEY but it doesn't mean WASTING money on stupid "POLICE ACTIONS" or WARS that cost millions of dollars everyday and more importantly the lives of our service men and women!
-EDUCATION ... WHAT THE FUCK we MUST pay for quality education so that we can be competitive in todays GLOBAL FUCKING ECONOMY! ... AND WE NEED TO be MUCH smarter in the way that we fund education so that those that can teach do and those that don't are encouraged to find something better to do with their lives then FUCK UP THE YOUTH OF AMERICA AND OUR FUTURE!!!!!
-HEALTH CARE ... (TIME to HOLD YOUR BREATH AGAIN YOU MAMBY PAMBY LIBERALS AND WISHY WASHY CONSERVATIVE WANNA BES) The reality is that if we DON'T have a strong AFUCKINGFORDABLE Health Care System we are screwed! FOr every mother fucking dollar we spend in PRIMARY CARE (WELL CHILD CHECK UPS, Regular care and visits for us OLDER Fucks, Regular screenings for women, and general testing ... we save 5 (five) dollars in TERTIARY CARE ... DO THE FUCKING MATH, if you want to save money SPEND a little up front! A PROPERLY structured national health care plan is the best and most effective way to ensure a healthy populace. A healthy populace is able to go to work to produce; go to school to learn; and allows us to better minimize the spread of disease and keep the country healthy and the nation FUNCTIONING!
GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY I NEED TO GET LAID ... Hold on I need another drink! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPmaVT-P5Ds ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT7EcNHovJ8

OK BACK ON TRACK

-SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT Election Financing? How about the national infrastructure? Roads, highways? Bridges? Airports, Mass Transit, Border Security?

How about GUN CONTROL REGULATION? Guns don't kill people and as a PROUD FORMER card carrying member of the NRA I can say with COMPLETE honesty that I support regulations that require waiting periods, the ban of 100, 50, 30 round magazines ...although it can be fun (ON A FUCKING RANGE) to fire off a full clip but if I want a new weapon ... I WILL FUCKING WAIT. I have a license and am trained in safety and by God I know how to use the guns I own. I hunt and JESUS CHRIST ... ONE SHOT ONE KILL if you need more then THREE SHOTS ... TAKE UP FUCKING KNITTING AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WOODS!!!!!

OK ... I just realized I MAY have crossed the line a little bit

Are we better off? We're in a shitty situation! It really doesn't matter if your liberal, moderate, a conservative, a communist, a member of the PEE party or whatever! If you don't vote DON'T FUCKING COMPLAIN and if you DO then you have the opportunity to rally others to your cause and get them to vote!

I hunt! I support the death penalty! I believe that prostitution should be legalized so that women are protected. I believe in Abortion, I apologize to those who are not - but my rationale is quite simple it is a woman's body! Would I like to have a say in the matter? Of Course! But ultimately the choice is the woman's and for politicians to attempt to play God? FUCKEM its NOT THEIR JOB!!!!

OK I need another drink!

GP thanks! Once again my friend you've engender a thought provoking debate/discussion and I thank you!

For those who are taking pot shots at each other What the Fuck ... Politics should be the LEAST of our worries! We ELECTED these dumbasses, these ASSHATS and you know what? In a few months we have the opportunity to elect someone else!

So to the left leaning members of this community to the right wingers

Just remember ... we're all in this pile of together!!!!

DD

[DDarkness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=FZLILV18ut8

DD

[GP]

Originally Posted by DDarkness

GP thanks! Once again my friend you've engender a thought provoking debate/discussion and I thank you!

No problem.. I think we are going to have to institute a new rule though. Every time you get on the keyboard after a few drinks, I always have to read a quite lot. LOL Do you save it all up for these special occasions?

[jackfengshui]

DD put his finger on the same issues I cared about - but much more passionately and eloquently!.

[The Drummer]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

DD put his finger on the same issues I cared about - but much more passionately and eloquently!.

Yes, indeed. His reference to "older fucks", with concern to health care, was quite articulate!

[DDarkness]

My Friends I'm ... Besides a couple of drinks, a worthwhile topic ... I'm good to go ... but could you imagine if I had gotten laid first, then had a few special drinks ... I would really have been 'waxing eloquent'

DD

[clearlylost]

I think all you fuckers need to get laid.