Provider call me back one of my bills was counterfeit

[Sydneyb]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Again, that's not splitting the difference. He had to get the counterfeit bill which cost him $100 in real money. Now you want him to chip in an additional $50. That's just upping his donation $50. Not a part of the original bargain.

And giving her bad money isn't part of HER original bargain. And frankly, she has a lot more at stake than he does. Just as a fucking KINDNESS, you'd think he'd have taken care of it.

If I went to a massage parlor (which I do regularly) and gave my girl a counterfeit bill, I would rush over there to give her the missing money. The reason is that she needs it more than I do and taking care of those that take care of us is a luxury that many do not have.

If you had a client that shorted you 30%, do you really think you'd take this position? Of course not. You'd expect to be paid for services rendered.

I tried to say it gently before. Let me be more clear: I would have informed him of what happened, but as a woman with pride, I wouldn't expect a man to do anything. But I promise you, a man with any amount of integrity at all (I believe that was almost every client I was lucky enough to know) would be quick to take care of this and not whine while doing it.

I guess I got out while the gettin' was good. The men I spent time with - almost to the last, were kind and good and wouldn't think twice about this issue. There were many times that I have been paid cancellation fees of $700 (50%) for (his) missed flights or change of plans. Maybe it was the good old days (last year), but such a different attitude....

Why not do the right thing? Take care of another person because you CAN? And if you can afford to fuck for 300 bucks, you CAN afford to make it right. Hell, the guy has probably blown a 100 bucks on Lattes since this thread started....

[Guest080311-2]

Originally Posted by Sydneyb

Why not do the right thing? Take care of another person because you CAN? And if you can afford to fuck for 300 bucks, you CAN afford to make it right. Hell, the guy has probably blown a 100 bucks on Lattes since this thread started....

LOVE THAT!!!

IF SHE PROVIDES PROOF...The bank has to report it so there is a record
Make it right...

My provider friend had to leave in the middle of a session he paid her but she came back the next day and made up for it...
No charge..
So get proof and Make it right..
or go to a bar buy 2 dollar drinks for the local bar hag put a bag on her head or get a Jenna Jameison mask...
and have sex...
its cheaper and kinda dirty....
Laeya

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I'll bet I can predict how the providers will respond and how the hobbyists will respond.

Sydney, looks like I was right.

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Sadly when it comes to counterfeit currency, it is the game of hot potato. The person that has it last before a bank or store catches it is the one that gets burned.

That is how it works in the real world, and no reason it would change in the hobby world. Had it happen to me in real life. Not sure where I picked it up, didn't even know I had it, went to pay for something, they checked it, held me at the store until cops came, they filled out a report, kept the Grant, and told me they were sorry about my luck.

I asked the cop if I would be getting a replacement and he just laughed, "The last person that holds it before it gets discovered is the one that get screwed--just the way that it is. Sorry about your luck."

I agree with Anonone here. The hobby shouldn't upend regular rules of how counterfeit money is handled just to accommodate the last person who handled it, or just to accommodate the escort.

BTW, IMHO, escorts (most of whom handle a LOT of cash) have some responsibility here (maybe more than the client). They should take precautions to prevent receiving counterfeit money.

Originally Posted by Bliss

If you don't know a bill is counterfeit and you go to a store to buy something and they find it is counterfeit before the purchase......you are out of luck. If they take it and you get your stuff and never knew.....then they are out of luck. Same concept here. I have a counterfeit marker, because I have had to eat the cost of fake bills before.

Looks like Bliss learned her lesson and took precautions.

Originally Posted by Sydneyb

And giving her bad money isn't part of HER original bargain. And frankly, she has a lot more at stake than he does. Just as a fucking KINDNESS, you'd think he'd have taken care of it.

If I went to a massage parlor (which I do regularly) and gave my girl a counterfeit bill, I would rush over there to give her the missing money. The reason is that she needs it more than I do and taking care of those that take care of us is a luxury that many do not have.

If you had a client that shorted you 30%, do you really think you'd take this position? Of course not. You'd expect to be paid for services rendered.

I tried to say it gently before. Let me be more clear: I would have informed him of what happened, but as a woman with pride, I wouldn't expect a man to do anything. But I promise you, a man with any amount of integrity at all (I believe that was almost every client I was lucky enough to know) would be quick to take care of this and not whine while doing it.

I guess I got out while the gettin' was good. The men I spent time with - almost to the last, were kind and good and wouldn't think twice about this issue. There were many times that I have been paid cancellation fees of $700 (50%) for (his) missed flights or change of plans. Maybe it was the good old days (last year), but such a different attitude....

Why not do the right thing? Take care of another person because you CAN? And if you can afford to fuck for 300 bucks, you CAN afford to make it right. Hell, the guy has probably blown a 100 bucks on Lattes since this thread started....

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. A lot of people here have said they should split the difference--that would be the only fair thing to do. You don't even take that position. You take the position that he still owes her $100.

BTW, some of the examples you use don't even comport to this situation. Shorting a provider is just that...and intentional (or accidental) refusal to pay the full fee. I think we all could agree that a guy still owes in that situation.

A cancellation fee is part of an agreement. If we meet I owe you X, but if I cancel, I owe you Y. People tend to live up to their agreements.

Here, the guy lived up to his agreement. He paid the full donation. It's just that one of the bills was counterfeit. Regular rules of commerce should apply, and she should take the hit.

BTW, I pay in 20s or get my 100s at the Bank. If someone told me my 100 was counterfeit, I'd have to question it.

If the guy wants to make up the difference of his own accord, then that his business. But he shouldn't be required to do so. But to say that the rules of commerce should change because this is an escort and she needs the money more than he does (BTW, that is not necessarily true), is just wrong. In this instance, the hobbyist definitely said in the OP he didn't have the money. And secondly, there are a lot of escorts out there that are pretty wealthy from the business and make more than the gentlemen they see.

So, I guess we've traded rants here.

[Doove]

Let's ask Edith and the Meathead what to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKv6o3vHWkc

[Sydneyb]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So, I guess we've traded rants here.

Hardly rants of equal intellectual curiosity. yours is self serving, mine comes from humes moral philosophy. Morals are born of sentiment. In this case, a woman giving her body needs the money more than a man who can afford to pay three hundred bucks to get laid for an hour.

Anonone didn't get to NOT PAY or to pay with his fake money. He had to pay with actual money at the store. The fact that her discovery was delayed doesn't differentiate his obligation to her.

I don't think this is a provider/client thing. I think its a distinction between those that value others who provide a service and those that receive said services. remember; I would make it right to my hair dresser or masseuse. not because I had to in legalese, but because I have more and because I have more, I feel a moral obligation not to screw others over. Just different people. Good to know who is who around here.

[KlassyKelliAnn]

I'm with EW. I'd take the hit.

This is a business in every aspect of every other business, it just happens to be the sex industry and all. Many business take certain precautions against this sort of thing. Whenever I go shopping and use big bills- the clerk checks the bill against the light as well as using the marker for color changes. I use one whenever I get my donation and make sure everything is accurate before the session begins. Fortunately, I have never experienced this problem before and hope to never experience it in the future. It is a business risk we all take and we have to deal with it. Period.

Just my opinion.

KKA

[Dharma]

In the last three months, I've had a bad 20 and caught a 100 before the client left and gave it back. I have an ultra violet flashlight that I use to check my money. I missed the 20 because I didn't check the money until the end of the day because I was so busy. I have no idea who gave it to me and yes, you eat it. If I had caught it after, I'd give it straight back again.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Sydneyb

Hardly rants of equal intellectual curiosity. yours is self serving, mine comes from humes moral philosophy.

Huh? How are Charles' thoughts on the matter self serving? He has as much chance of getting handed and stuck with a phony $20 as you or i or any provider. He's only saying that the person who loses out should be the person who last has it in their possession. You're claiming the person who loses out should be the first person who can't track down where it came from. I'm sure if the original poster could get reimbursed by whomever gave it to him, he'd settle up with the provider.

Unfortunately, someone's going to get jobbed. Your assumptions as to why that someone should be the original poster are a bit of a reach. One could just as easily make the argument that someone who gets $200/hr shouldn't be griping to someone who gets paid $25/hr about who gets screwed in the passage of a counterfeit $100 bill. Beyond that, i'll leave it to others to come up with their own conclusions about your not so subtle insinuation that girls are only in this business because it's their last desperate option for earning money.

And that's all before we even get into your assumption that it's even all that clear that the OP is the one who even gave her the phony bill. If life worked the way you're saying it should, do you not see the potential for scams? "Hey, that $20 you gave me was counterfeit, because i said so. Now pay up!".

How about this. How about the OP tells the provider who gave the bill to him (if he knows), and she can then go after that person for reimbursement?

[Sydneyb]

Originally Posted by Doove

You're claiming the person who loses out should be the first person who can't track down where it came from.

Yep. That's what I'm saying.

[Tiffany Cums]

Originally Posted by Sydneyb

In this case, a woman giving her body needs the money more than a man who can afford to pay three hundred bucks to get laid for an hour.

PERHAPS in this case, BUT make sure you don't generalize this. Honestly, sometimes I wonder why some of the gentlemen who forks over all of that money are doing it. Students, gentlemen who are between jobs, retirement money, unemployment money, ect.

Also, I wouldn't say many of the great providers here are worse off then their clients. I mean think about it, at $200-$300/hr, even if they only have one per day, it is still much more then most 'clients' make.

So, she may NOT need the money anymore then he does.

[Guest030112-4]

Kinda hard to use your counterfeit pen when you aren't supposed to acknowledge the money's there when he's there... if you check it after he leaves, he could say the same thing.

I guess have your pen right there wherever they put the money and swipe it without him seeing or knowing? lol

[Guest112113-3]

Sort of funny on my part, the providers that I have seen over the last ten years plus of playing the game could never "check" the monies before the session as per say.......cause of all the ladies that I have seen (not bragging here) I have never paid up front or before, and never been asked to do so. Now that I said that, it will happen tomorrow LOL.

[GneissGuy]

Yet another reason I think the money exchange should be handled openly. Pretending you didn't know what's in the envelope isn't going to carry any weight in court. If the guy has his opinion lowered because you take the money openly, instead of in an envelope, he's confused about business vs. intimacy and is probably a risk for getting too involved.

[ANONONE]

Originally Posted by Sydneyb

Hardly rants of equal intellectual curiosity. yours is self serving, mine comes from humes moral philosophy. Morals are born of sentiment. In this case, a woman giving her body needs the money more than a man who can afford to pay three hundred bucks to get laid for an hour.

Anonone didn't get to NOT PAY or to pay with his fake money. He had to pay with actual money at the store. The fact that her discovery was delayed doesn't differentiate his obligation to her.

I don't think this is a provider/client thing. I think its a distinction between those that value others who provide a service and those that receive said services. remember; I would make it right to my hair dresser or masseuse. not because I had to in legalese, but because I have more and because I have more, I feel a moral obligation not to screw others over. Just different people. Good to know who is who around here.

Wow! This thread has sure gone pear-shape. Sydneyb, you should probably stop trying to quote David Hume, because you are doing him an incredible disservice. Ironically, he was not a very moral person himself, and even tried to excuse his vices by attacking traditional ethics and morality with his argument of induction and attempting to assert that morality is decided not by reason, but rather sentiment. He claimed that natural order and reason had much less to do with morality than individual passion.

Morality based on sentiment could be used in this manner, but it would be exactly what you are arguing against--it would justify and further strengthen CT's position. As described, the OP had no intention of wrongdoing here. His motives are pure. He was not made aware of the "POSSIBLE" (the provider did not provide proof that the bill actually came from him nor did she offer him a copy of the bank's fraud report) counterfeit bill until long after the event. therefore, according to Hume, the hobbyists does not even owe her an apology, much less repayment.

Of course, I have always believed David Hume was a bit of a selfish idiot, so I find it amusing you are quoting him to preach at hobbyists.

I also find it amusing that you call CT's argument self-serving, and then in the next sentence defend the self-serving position of the provider by saying "needs the money more" and therefore the gent should cough off up the correction.

In closing, let's ask David what he would say, if he was not worm's food:

"Actions are, by their very nature, temporary and perishing; and where they proceed not from some cause in the character and disposition of the person who performed them, they can neither redound to his honour, if good; nor infamy, if evil"

In other words, the OP did not intend to hurt the provider, therefore he is blameless, according to Hume. This is a totally different scenario than say the slime ball that stuffs a white envelope with paper strips, or perhaps like that alert thread about the sleazy guy that cheats women by using a $100 bill wrapped around $1.00 bills in a rubber-banded bundle to them as he escorts them to the elevator.

Now excuse me, but it is Sunday morning and I need to go to church and repent for paying money to a woman earlier this week to do unnatural things to me that my wife is unwilling to do.

[ALEADallas]

AT least the bank only took the bill. The only fake 100 I got was right after 9-11
I'm sure it was unintentional as it was a dinner and the guy also tipped me an extra 300... so he handed me 1500 and why would a person tip a fake ..
BUT.. the bank the next day not only took the bill but told me the FBI would call. The FBI called me a few days later to question me. !

I've only gotten one fake in low these many years. If a girl was too concerned she can go buy one of those pens the cashiers use in some stores. I think you can get one at an office supply store.. and surely online. But since the guy didn't intentionally pay with a fake... it's just the cost of doing bizniz. Sometimes you gotta take the loss and go on your way.