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Old 08-20-2019, 02:46 PM   #46
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No, Pa and Texas are good. I said earlier that Washington was probably not in play. Those scumbags shamed a Jewish Billionaire in 2016. He doesn’t give a fuck this time around. He’s all in. Maybe he’ll take your bet.

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Trump barely won Pa in 2016 and in the 2018 midterms Democrats Bob Casey easily won reelection for Senate, Tom Wolf easily won reelection for Governor, and I believe Democrats picked up a House seat or two.

So with you being closer to the scene than I, I'd like to know your reasoning for believing Trump will win Pa in 2020. Are you simply relying on a better organized and stronger effort by the Republican party in Pa?

I agree with you on Texas but I will bet Trump does not win by 9% as he did in 2016. Possibly less than 5%.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:54 PM   #47
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Trump simply outworked Hillary. She disappeared in the month of August trusting the polling data in Pa, Wi and MI. The Clintons had a much better ground game. But Bill knew better. He saw Trump working those states hard. But Hillary didn’t listen to him. She trusted people like Nate Silver. The rest as they say, is history. But you still haven’t addressed Trumps remarkable donor performance in Washington.,It’s a deep blue state. His numbers are astounding. Polls would suggest the opposite.
I agree with you 100% on 2016.

I honestly have no opinion on contributions in the state of Washington. Just as I say don't put too much emphasis on a single poll, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on contributions in a single state 15 months prior to an election. Clinton won Washington by 16%. I think it's safe to say Trump will not win there in 2020.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:11 PM   #48
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SPEED is counting state 15 FUCKING months out!!
This is some desperate shit...he has been at this since the end of last year.
What if this and this and this happens...TDS on full display!!
You should have been counting in 2016...I hope another 2016 doesn't drive you over the edge.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:54 PM   #49
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Trump barely won Pa in 2016 and in the 2018 midterms Democrats Bob Casey easily won reelection for Senate, Tom Wolf easily won reelection for Governor, and I believe Democrats picked up a House seat or two.

So with you being closer to the scene than I, I'd like to know your reasoning for believing Trump will win Pa in 2020. Are you simply relying on a better organized and stronger effort by the Republican party in Pa?

I agree with you on Texas but I will bet Trump does not win by 9% as he did in 2016. Possibly less than 5%.
Well, Pa is really two stares. The Philly area and the rest of the state. There are appropriately 11 million people in the state. Half are in the Philly area. Philadelphia is deep blue, the rest of the state is blue collar working people. Trump pledged support for the Steel, coal and NG industry in 16. He’s delivered on those promises so I think he’ll do even better in those areas than 16. Obama got 100% of the vote in Philly proper in 12, Hillary didn’t do that well there in 16. If you believe in polls, Zogby says Trumps approval amongst AA’s is 51%. If he peels off a small percentage of this AA voters than he did in 16, he wins Pa by a larger margin than 16. Does it matter how big he wins Texas? The EC votes still go into his column.
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Well, Pa is really two stares. The Philly area and the rest of the state. There are appropriately 11 million people in the state. Half are in the Philly area. Philadelphia is deep blue, the rest of the state is blue collar working people. Trump pledged support for the Steel, coal and NG industry in 16. He’s delivered on those promises so I think he’ll do even better in those areas than 16. Obama got 100% of the vote in Philly proper in 12, Hillary didn’t do that well there in 16. If you believe in polls, Zogby says Trumps approval amongst AA’s is 51%. If he peels off a small percentage of this AA voters than he did in 16, he wins Pa by a larger margin than 16. Does it matter how big he wins Texas? The EC votes still go into his column.
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Look, he asked my OPINION. So I gave it to him. Now run along and boost your post count elsewhere. Adults are having a conversation.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:37 AM   #52
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Well, Pa is really two stares. The Philly area and the rest of the state. There are appropriately 11 million people in the state. Half are in the Philly area. Philadelphia is deep blue, the rest of the state is blue collar working people. Trump pledged support for the Steel, coal and NG industry in 16. He’s delivered on those promises so I think he’ll do even better in those areas than 16. Obama got 100% of the vote in Philly proper in 12, Hillary didn’t do that well there in 16. If you believe in polls, Zogby says Trumps approval amongst AA’s is 51%. If he peels off a small percentage of this AA voters than he did in 16, he wins Pa by a larger margin than 16. Does it matter how big he wins Texas? The EC votes still go into his column.
As I pointed out twice, Zogby is probably the least reliable polling firm out there. Their polling methodology is ridiculous.

Trump has attempted to remove Obama restrictions on the coal industry. Has not worked. The coal industry is at best holding its own.

U.S Steel just announced a layoff of 200 workers. In June they announced plans to idle 2 furnaces. The tariffs are the reason according to the company. It will be interesting to watch steel production over the next year to see if it rises or falls.

I ask you about Pa because you are there and know the state better than I do. Your points are well taken.
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As I pointed out twice, Zogby is probably the least reliable polling firm out there. Their polling methodology is ridiculous.

Trump has attempted to remove Obama restrictions on the coal industry. Has not worked. The coal industry is at best holding its own.

U.S Steel just announced a layoff of 200 workers. In June they announced plans to idle 2 furnaces. The tariffs are the reason according to the company. It will be interesting to watch steel production over the next year to see if it rises or falls.

I ask you about Pa because you are there and know the state better than I do. Your points are well taken.
The layoffs are in Michigan due to low steel prices. Guess who’s dumping cheap steel? At least the coal industry has stabilized. If Hillary were elected, it might be gone by now. A leftist Democrat would spell doom for those industries and people in the rust belt know it. Lemme ask you a question, Texas is a major producer of fossil fuels. How are Texans accepting the GND?
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