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friendly fred · 05-24-2020, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackie S

The main reason the Dipshit Democrats think the President’s tweets are so bad is because it allows him to bypass the “filters” of their lackeys in the Main Stream Media.

Exactly - somehow when the media approves, Pelosi calling Trump "morbidly obese" is fucking hilarious.

However, when Trump retweets someone mentioning the obvious fact that Stacy Abrams loves eating, that is somehow deplorable and sexist.

Even black guys no doubt make fun of that fat cow.

I don't know many guys who drool over fat women. I think some are chubby chasers because they can control them.

This doesn't mean that all fat women are worthless - some have great character and are very loving. Since this is a hooker board, I'm referring to "sexual value" here.

eccielover · 05-24-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I love Trump's tweets!! They have probably cost him more votes than any of his actions while sitting in the Oval Office. The Trump base eats them up. Most others just shake their heads in non-belief.

Keep it up!!

I'm just slightly confused on that statement. I only know of one election that Trump has participated directly in that he was voted on and that was 2016. Which was a winning election. Do you have some hidden insight into something else.

Please clarify??

eccielover · 05-24-2020, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by friendly fred

Exactly - somehow when the media approves, Pelosi calling Trump "morbidly obese" is fucking hilarious.

However, when Trump retweets someone mentioning the obvious fact that Stacy Abrams loves eating, that is somehow deplorable and sexist.

Even black guys no doubt make fun of that fat cow.

I don't know many guys who drool over fat women. I think some are chubby chasers because they can control them.

This doesn't mean that all fat women are worthless - some have great character and are very loving. Since this is a hooker board, I'm referring to "sexual value" here.

It's the standard double standard and hypocrisy of the left.

SpeedRacerXXX · 05-24-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eccielover

I'm just slightly confused on that statement. I only know of one election that Trump has participated directly in that he was voted on and that was 2016. Which was a winning election. Do you have some hidden insight into something else.

Please clarify??

I am talking about the 2020 election. When Trump took office in January 2017, his approval rating was 45.5% approve, 41.3% disapprove. +4.2%. Today it is 42.9% approve, 53.4% disapprove. -10.5%. Source of data is 538 which, as you know, summarizes ALL approval rating polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Anyone can speculate on why the ratings have dropped so signifiantly over the years. Especially the disapprove rating which has gone up 12.1%. IMHO, some of it is due to his tweets which most. other than his base supporters, probably find annoying.

Trump retweets Hillary Clinton is a 'skank' message and spreads sexist insults about other prominent female Democrats
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mocrats-2020-5

President Trump is ramping up his Twitter push on an unfounded conspiracy theory regarding the death of an intern for former Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fla.), who now anchors MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...spiracy-theory

And then there's this LIE. Absentee ballots were NOT sent out. Applications for absentee ballots were sent out.

Breaking: Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 20, 2020

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michiga...-applications/

With the coronavirus continuing to ravage the country both in human and economic terms and his poll numbers sagging, President Donald Trump spent his event-free Mother’s Day posting up a storm — sending the sort of public statements that would have been cause for national concern in any previous era.

When the smoked cleared, the 126 tweets or retweets Trump posted ending up being one of his most prolific posting days in history, falling just 16 short of the single-day posting record he set during his impeachment trial in January. Although the American public has become somewhat numb to Trump’s Twitter diatribes, the quantity was notable — and so was the lack of quality.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michiga...-applications/

Obviously it's a matter of opinion as to the impact of the tweets.

SpeedRacerXXX · 05-24-2020, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by friendly fred

Exactly - somehow when the media approves, Pelosi calling Trump "morbidly obese" is fucking hilarious.

However, when Trump retweets someone mentioning the obvious fact that Stacy Abrams loves eating, that is somehow deplorable and sexist.

Even black guys no doubt make fun of that fat cow.

I don't know many guys who drool over fat women. I think some are chubby chasers because they can control them.

This doesn't mean that all fat women are worthless - some have great character and are very loving. Since this is a hooker board, I'm referring to "sexual value" here.

Donald Trump, by BMI standards, is far from "morbidly obese". But he is obese by BMI standards. Pelosi was wrong in making that statement but Trump has been just as vicious in attacking Pelosi, calling her a "political hack", a "waste of time", a "sick woman", "a sick puppy", says she had "lost it", said "look, she's a mess", aaccused her of being on an "endless vacation". I don't mind the two of them going at each other. I find the comments on both sides humorous for the most part.

Pelosi attacks Trump. Trump attacks everyone who in any way is opposed to him.

eccielover · 05-24-2020, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I am talking about the 2020 election. When Trump took office in January 2017, his approval rating was 45.5% approve, 41.3% disapprove. +4.2%. Today it is 42.9% approve, 53.4% disapprove. -10.5%. Source of data is 538 which, as you know, summarizes ALL approval rating polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Anyone can speculate on why the ratings have dropped so signifiantly over the years. Especially the disapprove rating which has gone up 12.1%. IMHO, some of it is due to his tweets which most. other than his base supporters, probably find annoying.

Trump retweets Hillary Clinton is a 'skank' message and spreads sexist insults about other prominent female Democrats
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mocrats-2020-5

President Trump is ramping up his Twitter push on an unfounded conspiracy theory regarding the death of an intern for former Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fla.), who now anchors MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...spiracy-theory

And then there's this LIE. Absentee ballots were NOT sent out. Applications for absentee ballots were sent out.

Breaking: Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 20, 2020

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michiga...-applications/

With the coronavirus continuing to ravage the country both in human and economic terms and his poll numbers sagging, President Donald Trump spent his event-free Mother’s Day posting up a storm — sending the sort of public statements that would have been cause for national concern in any previous era.

When the smoked cleared, the 126 tweets or retweets Trump posted ending up being one of his most prolific posting days in history, falling just 16 short of the single-day posting record he set during his impeachment trial in January. Although the American public has become somewhat numb to Trump’s Twitter diatribes, the quantity was notable — and so was the lack of quality.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michiga...-applications/

Obviously it's a matter of opinion as to the impact of the tweets.

Ahh, so sheer speculation on your part on an upcoming set of votes that haven't taken place yet based on a sampling of public opinion polls at a random time before the election.

Back after Wuhan was first breaking out his approval ratings were near highs and that was after 3 years of tweeting.

But my original confusion was simply in you using "have probably cost", when based on this response you should have said "will probabaly cost"

And yes opinions will indeed vary on the impacts of his tweets.

Tiny · 05-24-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If Biden is elected in 2020 we will be no closer to a socialistic government than if Trump is reelected. 8 years of Obama and no socialistic policies pushed by him. Policies to the left, yes. Socialism, no.

A year or two ago you and The Mystic kindly answered my question, whether you thought Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and like minded politicians would hold the reins after the 2020 election. If I remember correctly, your answer was a lot like HedonistForever's post,

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Originally Posted by HedonistForever

We may be on the road to Socialism in this country like a lot of college educated folk think but I don't believe it will be 2020.

I believe you went on to say that come 2024 or 2026, watch out, given the demographics in America (more people who are young now will be voting, and baby boomers will be passing away). The far left may control the Democratic Party and the country.

While I share your view that Obama and Biden are not socialists, they would have moved America farther to the left if they had the opportunity. During their first two years they were constrained by a recession, so couldn't, for example, boost taxes a lot. And after the first two years, they were constrained by Republicans controlling one or both houses of Congress.

Biden moved to the left during this election season to get the Democratic nomination. He's allowing Bernie Sanders to help write the Democratic Party's platform, by appointing 40% of the members of task forces that will shape policy of the Democratic Party. AOC is part of the group working on Climate Change for example.

I share your view that the Democrats will probably win in November. You've made the case for Trump losing. In the Senate it's a foregone conclusion that Republicans will lose Arizona and Colorado. Montana is now a toss up, and even Susan Collins in Maine and Thom Tillis in North Carolina are underdogs. The Republicans only look to pick up Alabama.

This, for me at least, is a little scary, depending on how far left the Democrats will go, at such time as they control the Congress and the presidency.

Two questions:

1. Do you believe Biden is going to pursue policies like the Green New Deal and sharply higher taxes on corporations and wealthier Americans, like he's been saying he will? Or is this just his strategy to win the election, and he'll come back towards the center assuming he wins?

2. Any thoughts now on when the far left is likely to control the federal government? Could it be just around the corner instead of 5 or 10 years down the road?

HedonistForever · 05-24-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Trump's base will get him just so far. Evangelical Christians and old, white men with less than a college education will get him a lot of votes but will not get him elected. I didn't say, or even imply, that they were less educated than others regarding policy. For whatever reasons these demographics supported Trump, just as blacks, Hispanics, and Asians voted for Clinton.

I'm curious what you thing a "higher education" gets you if not a "better" understanding of policies? I mean, isn't the whole narrative that if you didn't go to college you didn't get a "broader" world view by coming into contact with a broader base of people? I didn't go to college but I was in the military like many old White men of my generation, where I got that broader view of diverse persons. While I didn't study sociology or today's "feminist studies", I did see the world and have always considered it to be a "higher education" in some ways, more than anybody could get from spending 4 years on the same campus being taught by the same politically biased "educators" who IMHO brain wash more than they educate.

In 2016 Trump had strong support from women, not a majority but still strong, and especially suburban women. In the 2018 midterms and in polling done since 2016, women, and again especially suburban women, are favoring Democratic candidates. Trump will need support from somewhere other than the 2 aforementioned groups to win in 2020.

And he still might get it after the "full Democrat agenda" is put on display. As the commentators often remind us, people don't really start paying attention to politics until the final run when they are more or less forced, at least the thinking ones, what it is they will be voting for and not just against. Look at what is happening in education right now. What happens when all those malleable minds aren't turned into leftist robots on campus? What happens, who will win this narrative of "opening to soon" or too late? We have no idea how just those two issues might impact the election and change minds. This may be the most "changeable" election in our lifetime.

Not sure what your point is on the military, but we were the strongest in the world before Trump and we are still strongest in the world. Military spending under Obama as a percentage of GDP was higher than under Trump. In fact, the lowest percentage under Obama was higher than any year under Trump.

I don't know whether you are just being naive or serious. As oeb and others are trying to explain, if Biden is elected, it won't be Joe Biden running things. That's were I believe the Naive part comes in. Of course I could be wrong, always a possibility but just look at how Biden is caving to the far left, the Socialist far left. Military spending depends on the Congress we have and if we have a Democrat President with a Democrat House and Senate with a closing in on 30 trillion dollar debt, with all the social spending the Democrats want to do, where do you think the cuts will come from with the AOC wing of the party being the loudest voice? This new generation of Democrats IMHO are more anti military than they were in the Obama years and they were pretty vocal then. Unless this pandemic does something to slow down the Chinese military, all the information points to them being stronger than us not in aircraft carriers and tanks but in cyber, AI, robotics. That will be the military of the future and right now China is winning that race.

https://www.c4isrnet.com/artificial-...al-technology/

Will China win the military AI race on the back of commercial technology?

I think there is a good chance they will. We have that "legacy" problem".

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“AI appeals to the [People’s Liberation Army] in part because it has fewer legacy systems,” said Elsa Kania, adjunct senior fellow, Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security and research fellow at CSET. Building systems for the first time with AI in mind is a different and distinct proposition from adapting existing systems to draw on AI tools.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/05...gence-defense/

Whoever Predicts the Future Will Win the AI Arms Race

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China is pursuing the most aggressive strategy, focusing on developing advanced AI that could contribute to strategic decision-making. The U.S. approach is more conservative,
with the goal of producing computers that can assist human decision-making but not contribute on their own.

Your statements about letting millions of immigrants into this country without a college education are totally unsupportable.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2017/12/07/geography-and-characteristics-of-northern-triangle-immigrants/

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[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The educational attainment of the immigrant population from Northern Triangle nations is below that of all U.S. immigrants. Among those ages 25 and older, half or more from each country have not completed high school, compared with 29% of all immigrants, according to 2015 U.S. Census Bureau data. Most of those who have not finished high school have less than a ninth grade education; fully 39% of Northern Triangle immigrants had this level of schooling in 2015.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]In looking at educational attainment, legal status matters: Most Northern Triangle unauthorized immigrants have not completed high school (60%), compared with 48% of lawful immigrants from the region.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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If Biden is elected in 2020 we will be no closer to a socialistic government than if Trump is reelected. 8 years of Obama and no socialistic policies pushed by him. Policies to the left, yes. Socialism, no.

It isn't Biden I'm concerned with, it is the people who I believe will surround Biden and actually make policy. I think Joe Biden will be nothing more than a figure head and will be told what to do by the Socialist. This is my opinion. I've tried to add as many "facts" as I could to make my points.

eccielover · 05-24-2020, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Donald Trump, by BMI standards, is far from "morbidly obese". But he is obese by BMI standards. Pelosi was wrong in making that statement but Trump has been just as vicious in attacking Pelosi, calling her a "political hack", a "waste of time", a "sick woman", "a sick puppy", says she had "lost it", said "look, she's a mess", aaccused her of being on an "endless vacation". I don't mind the two of them going at each other. I find the comments on both sides humorous for the most part.

Pelosi attacks Trump. Trump attacks everyone who in any way is opposed to him.

But as FF pointed out, much of the media applauds Pelosi for her statements and savage Trump for his.

Why_Yes_I_Do · 05-24-2020, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I love Trump's tweets!! They have probably cost him more votes than any of his actions while sitting in the Oval Office. The Trump base eats them up. Most others just shake their heads in non-belief...

Didn't the "Trump base" get him elected over a much more ballyhooed candidate, who lead in all the poles, who they thought would never loose?

Why_Yes_I_Do · 05-24-2020, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

...vicious in attacking Pelosi, calling her a "political hack", a "waste of time", a "sick woman", "a sick puppy", says she had "lost it", said "look, she's a mess", aaccused her of being on an "endless vacation"....

All of those are factually accurate. To be fair, he likely left out a couple.

Why_Yes_I_Do · 05-24-2020, 05:11 PM

First and foremost; Hillary Clinton was and is still a skank and a cancer and a lieing, thieving skank at that, who they never thought would lose - especially those esteemed poll aggregators at 538. I do not see where any poll, let alone 538 has adjusted their modeling to account for Trump and his "base", not to mention the toxicity of an onset dementia patient candidate.

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

... Source of data is 538 which, as you know, summarizes ALL approval rating polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Anyone can speculate on why the ratings have dropped so signifiantly over the years. Especially the disapprove rating which has gone up 12.1%. IMHO, some of it is due to his tweets which most. other than his base supporters, probably find annoying.

Trump retweets Hillary Clinton is a 'skank' message and spreads sexist insults about other prominent female Democrats...

friendly fred · 05-24-2020, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Donald Trump, by BMI standards, is far from "morbidly obese". But he is obese by BMI standards. Pelosi was wrong in making that statement but Trump has been just as vicious in attacking Pelosi, calling her a "political hack", a "waste of time", a "sick woman", "a sick puppy", says she had "lost it", said "look, she's a mess", aaccused her of being on an "endless vacation". I don't mind the two of them going at each other. I find the comments on both sides humorous for the most part.

Pelosi attacks Trump. Trump attacks everyone who in any way is opposed to him.

Yes indeed. Do you find Stacy Abrams to be:

a. Obese
b. morbidly obese

oeb11 · 05-24-2020, 07:02 PM

SR - can you produce the 'FACTS' - trump's height and weight ?
Save U this trouble - Body Mass Index is a simple calculation using a person's height and weight. The formula is BMI = kg/m2 where kg is a person's weight in kilograms and m2 is their height in metres squared. A BMI of 25.0 or more is overweight, while the healthy range is 18.5 to 24.9.

Anyone out there have access to that data - which is - technically - HIPPA protected under the US Code.

eccielover · 05-24-2020, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oeb11

SR - can you produce the 'FACTS' - trump's height and weight ?
Save U this trouble - Body Mass Index is a simple calculation using a person's height and weight. The formula is BMI = kg/m2 where kg is a person's weight in kilograms and m2 is their height in metres squared. A BMI of 25.0 or more is overweight, while the healthy range is 18.5 to 24.9.

Anyone out there have access to that data - which is - technically - HIPPA protected under the US Code.

His information was released as part of his last physical in 2019. That's the latest I could find.

He is technically obese by just a bit.

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Mr Trump’s BMI was measured as 30.4 during his last health checkup in February 2019, and with a weight of 243lb (110kg) and a height of 6ft 3ins, he is officially classed within the obese category.