Ohio. A shining monument to Red State policies and moral standards

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever;1062907126[COLOR=#000000

So, perhaps not as clear as the AG made it sound. I sympathize with your legitimate concerns Grace but this is now up to the people of Ohio to decide after hearing about this case if they want to fine tune their law or leave it the way it is and possibly suffer losing their job. Ohio and all other states have about 4 months to decide what they want to do. I wonder how much difference there will be, if any, after Nov. 8th.

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Here's the thing-- at least in Ohio, the people were never asked what they wanted in the first place. There has never been a vote in Ohio regarding the law-- as I'm sure there hasn't been in any other state, either. This was decided by the legislatures and while yes, they are voted in.... we should all be able to admit that those we put in office don't always represent the will of their constituents.

[texasgentleman1]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Here's the thing-- at least in Ohio, the people were never asked what they wanted in the first place. There has never been a vote in Ohio regarding the law-- as I'm sure there hasn't been in any other state, either. This was decided by the legislatures and while yes, they are voted in.... we should all be able to admit that those we put in office don't always represent the will of their constituents.

I don’t recall the people voting in any state on anything in 73 when an unelected body of nine fabricated this unconstitutional ruling. Can’t you petition for it to be put on a state ballot? Had it not been for the push to kill the babies in late term and even immediately after birth this wouldn’t have been an issue. That’s the problem with activist they are her satisfied.

How can it be considered a double murder when a weapon kills a mother and her unborn child, yet cool to butcher them Willy Nilly. Murder is murder

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Here's the thing-- at least in Ohio, the people were never asked what they wanted in the first place. There has never been a vote in Ohio regarding the law-- as I'm sure there hasn't been in any other state, either. This was decided by the legislatures and while yes, they are voted in.... we should all be able to admit that those we put in office don't always represent the will of their constituents.

Come on Grace, those people elected were never asked what their position was on abortion and the people were un-aware of that position? I don't believe that for a minute and if you'll look at it that way, I think you'll know I"m right about that but no matter, the people in the State of OHIO and every other state, get a chance in a few short months to make their positions very clear. The pro abortion people will ask every single person running for a Legislative office be it State or Federal, what is your position on abortion and they will have to answer. Here is their chance right there in front of them to get an answer to this question.


I guess it's just very hard now for the left to accept the fact that some states, on the will of the people and don't kid yourself, this will be the will of the majority in every state, you know, the Democratic way, will vote to ban abortion.


And any politician that doesn't vote the way the majority wants may finish out this term in office but they will not be re-elected. Every politician knows this. You can't repeatedly vote against the majority and expect to keep your job, well, unless you are Joe Manchin.


And pretty sure every state has a law on abortion.


This is what is going on in Florida right now.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/30/judge-halts-floridas-new-abortion-law-00043504


Florida's new abortion law halted as DeSantis vows to fight on

In a stinging defeat for Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Florida judge said he will temporarily block a new law that would prohibit all abortions in the state after 15 weeks of pregnancy.


In a stinging defeat for Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Republican-controlled Legislature, a Florida judge said Thursday he will temporarily block a new law that would prohibit all abortions in the state after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
The law, which provides no exceptions for victims of rape, incest or human trafficking, was approved by legislators and signed into law by DeSantis in April. It is scheduled to take effect on Friday.

The judge’s decision comes as the nation grapples with how to move forward with reproductive rights in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s ruling overturning Roe v. Wade. In announcing his decision, Circuit Judge John C. Cooper said the new law was likely unconstitutional because it runs afoul of a voter-approved provision in the state Constitution that bars the government from intruding on people’s personal lives.

DeSantis, during a Thursday press conference in central Florida, said that the judge’s ruling was not a surprise, but added “it was not something of course that we were happy to see.” He vowed to appeal the ruling.

“These are unborn babies that have heartbeats, they can feel pain, they can suck their thumb,” DeSantis said. “And to say the state constitution mandates things like dismemberment abortions, I just don’t think that’s the proper interpretation.”
Legal battles over abortion are now playing out in several other states after the Supreme Court issued its ruling overturning federal abortion protections. A judge in Kentucky on Thursday halted that state’s “trigger law” that would block nearly all abortions, the Associated Press reports, while judges on Monday blocked abortions bans in Utah and Louisiana.


Cooper is unlikely to issue his written ruling until early next week, meaning that the new law will still take effect. Whitney White, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union Freedom Project representing several abortion clinics in the litigation, said that “unfortunately we are facing a situation where access to abortion in the near term after 15 weeks is not guaranteed.”
The judge’s ruling is just the opening round of a legal battle that is expected to eventually reach the Florida Supreme Court, which has previously blocked abortion restrictions because of the state’s privacy amendment. DeSantis’s office said on Thursday that it would eventually ask the state Supreme Court to “reverse its existing precedent regarding Florida’s right to privacy. The struggle for life is not over.”

Cooper acknowledged that the state Supreme Court could revisit its past decisions but he said that “I do think this law complies with the present state of the law in Florida.”
Planned Parenthood of America, the Center for Reproductive Rights and the American Civil Liberties Union sued the state earlier this month to stop the law, claiming it violates the privacy amendment approved by voters in 1980. That measure has been cited by the state Supreme Court in overturning previous restrictive abortion laws, including one requiring parental consent for minors seeking abortions. The makeup of the Florida Supreme Court, however, has shifted to the right in recent and abortions rights advocates fear the conservative-majority state high court could interpret that privacy right differently.

Cooper, who laid out his reasoning behind his ruling, said that past Supreme Court decisions required attorneys representing the state to show a “compelling” reason for the new abortion restrictions.


Ron DeSantis is up for re-election on Nov., so the people of Florida will have a direct vote on the issue of abortion. If you don't want this restrictive abortion law, the people will not vote for DeSantis and vote for the Democrat, expected to be Charlie Crist. All Florida Representatives like every other state, has all House members up for re-election. If abortion is really that important to the American people, we will sure as hell know it in just a few short months. And to the guy who said I shouldn't be telling others how to live their lives, is anybody telling the people of California and New York and multiple other states how they must vote? No I'm not, nor can I tell the people of Florida how to vote but I'm voting for Ron DeSantis even though I would like to see Roe at 15 weeks be the law of Florida but I can not put a Democrat in office that belongs to this Democrat party. Can't do it. Wish I could help you ladies out but if you hadn't thrown in with these lunatics, you might have had my vote, at least on this issue.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Except that states like OK want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion. And MCConnel wants a National ban on abortion.

... No worrys, mate.

I don't believe McConnell will ever get a NATIONAL
ban on Abortion. ... And perhaps Oklahoma will vote
to NOT allow people to enter the their state to
have abortions... But good luck trying to stop
people from leaving Oklahoma to go get abortions
if people so choose.

... I believe the people in each state should vote
on their-own laws.

#### Salty

[HedonistForever]

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to get a 50 state ban on abortion and that ain't gonna happen any time soon. So you pro abortion people better put a plan together to go after State Legislators because going after Kavanaugh will get you nothing at this point.

[1blackman1]

I don’t think an amendment is required. Just like the congress can pass laws defining marriage they can define personhood or other terms which would make abortion de facto illegal. I’m willing to bet McConnel will throw out the filibuster to pass it as his last great act.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I don’t think an amendment is required. Just like the congress can pass laws defining marriage they can define personhood or other terms which would make abortion de facto illegal. I’m willing to bet McConnel will throw out the filibuster to pass it as his last great act.

And I believe Texas and OK laws do make it illegal to cross state lines for abortion services already. I’d have to check for clarity. Anyone believing that hard right states aren’t gonna try to find ways to stop abortion where the will of other people in other states chooses otherwise is either naive or dishonest.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

This was decided by the legislatures and while yes, they are voted in.... we should all be able to admit that those we put in office don't always represent the will of their constituents.

So now representative Democracy isn't viable for you?

Elections have consequences... stolen ones even more so.

[Yssup Rider]

Cuckoo….

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

That's idiotic.

The guy is an illegal immigrant.

The "girl" is almost a decade away from voting age.

Again, how idiotic!

Oh he's an "Illegal Immigrant" Democrats are all about illegal immigration. This incident falls on the policies of Democrats. If America's Immigration Policies were a little tighter this incident may not have happened. What's idiotic is you don't actually see that Rape and Abortion are wrong for the same reasons.

[texassapper]

Actually I've seen speculation that the female may have been the victim of trafficking.

Murderers, rapists, and thugs... the third world invasion is being lead by the best.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Actually I've seen speculation that the female may have been the victim of trafficking.

Murderers, rapists, and thugs... the third world invasion is being lead by the best.

There's a great deal of speculation out there that this incident may not have even happened. It seems rather convenient for Democrats that this incident took place in the wake of Roe vs Wade being overturned. A Ten year old is the victim of a Rape, becomes Pregnant and must travel to another State to terminate her Pregnancy. It stirs up more Politics of Roe vs Wade. Whether this incident is true or not Abortion doesn't change the trauma of being raped.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I don’t think an amendment is required. Just like the congress can pass laws defining marriage they can define personhood or other terms which would make abortion de facto illegal. I’m willing to bet McConnel will throw out the filibuster to pass it as his last great act.

After the SC just said this is a States right issue? How can the Congress pass a law that the SC just said belongs to the States? I stand by my opinion that only a Constitutional amendment will restore abortion in all 50 states.

An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification.

Ain't gonna happen.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

After the SC just said this is a States right issue? How can the Congress pass a law that the SC just said belongs to the States? I stand by my opinion that only a Constitutional amendment will restore abortion in all 50 states.

You think McConnel and congressional republicans care about that. Lol. You’re not naive even though I disagree with you A LOT. Getting Alito’s opinion was just a first step. I’ll make you a gentleman’s bet on this and you can put it in your wig line. I’ll come to Florida and take you to get a steak at the restaurant if your choice if Republicans take control of congress and the presidency and they don’t attempt a National ban tossing out the filibuster to do it.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I’ll make you a gentleman’s bet on this and you can put it in your wig (sic) line. I’ll come to Florida and take you to get a steak at the restaurant if your choice if Republicans take control of congress and the presidency and they don’t attempt a National ban tossing out the filibuster to do it.

Take the bet, hedo, it's a sure thing!

Republicans stand for principles... like 1) don't undermine the legitimacy of SCOTUS and 2) don't nuke the Senate filibuster. Dim-retards have no principles so they don't understand this.