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tommy156 · 04-24-2023, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty Again

NFL Draft - in a couple o' WEEKS??

Really??

... I'm pretty sure it's April.

Bahahaha! ...

#### Salty

Yes, the NFL Draft happens every April. Camp in June. Preseason in August. Regular season in September.

Smarty1 · 04-24-2023, 03:33 PM

It is exciting to see the Pirates playing some good baseball, and I am having fun actually watching games and caring about the result. But let’s have some perspective before we say that the team is on the right track. Who knows? Maybe this is an indication that they are, but it still is only 23 games. By analogy it would be like the Steelers starting a year with a 2-1 record (approximately). It’s certainly a great start, but that’s all it is - a start. The talent on this team is not really comparable to that on some of the real contenders. You have guys like Conner Joe and Jack Suwinski putting up numbers that (probably) aren’t sustainable for them. Ditto for the starting pitching - they likely aren’t going to be able to keep up what they’ve done during the last 12 games or so.

Personally I am enjoying the hell out of it and dreaming about big things, but IMO, reality likely will set in at some point, and this team will go back to being mostly irrelevant later in the season.

yinzerpgh · 04-24-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bambino

...And their future is much brighter than the Penguins. I guess you prefer their Ownership? The Fenway Group is an absentee owner of the Penguins. They don’t even list the Penguins on their website. They’ve alienated Mario. He’s awol. He doesn’t go to the games anymore...

I personally was not happy that the Pens were sold to none other than the Fenway group. Isn't it ironic that the winter classic was in Boston at Fenway?
Anyway, yes, they've alienated Mario, but allegedly he's in FLA supporting his sons golf career. I for one can read between the lines, but that's the official reason Mario is no longer attending games (he did attend one game last season, to benefit ill children or something. He actually was on the ice for it).
The Pens firing the big wigs in the front office right after the season ended was a great sign that someone does give a fuck about them. Nutting has proven his "desire" to put a good team on the field year after year after year. If the Bucs are still in the top 10 in the league in June, then I'll pay attention.

Lastly, not going to Pirates games is an excellent way to show Nutting that (many) Pittsburghers are fed up with the way they manage the team. I support the history of the Pirates, but I will not support the Nuttings until they consistently put a winning team on the field. Call it fair weather or what you want, but who wants to watch their team lose nearly half of their games?

bambino · 04-24-2023, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

I personally was not happy that the Pens were sold to none other than the Fenway group. Isn't it ironic that the winter classic was in Boston at Fenway?
Anyway, yes, they've alienated Mario, but allegedly he's in FLA supporting his sons golf career. I for one can read between the lines, but that's the official reason Mario is no longer attending games (he did attend one game last season, to benefit ill children or something. He actually was on the ice for it).
The Pens firing the big wigs in the front office right after the season ended was a great sign that someone does give a fuck about them. Nutting has proven his "desire" to put a good team on the field year after year after year. If the Bucs are still in the top 10 in the league in June, then I'll pay attention.

Lastly, not going to Pirates games is an excellent way to show Nutting that (many) Pittsburghers are fed up with the way they manage the team. I support the history of the Pirates, but I will not support the Nuttings until they consistently put a winning team on the field. Call it fair weather or what you want, but who wants to watch their team lose nearly half of their games?

Don’t you think Nutting realizes the better the Pirates are, the more people will show up? It happened during 2012/2015. That wasn’t eons ago. Nutting is a multi billionaire, you’re really not hurting him financially if you don’t go to the games. You’re hurting the local businesses, vendors at the park etc. the team is substantially better than the last few years. If you enjoy baseball, why not go? Who gives a fuck about the owner? It’s a great venue and in my opinion, a better environment than Steelers games. I listen to the Fan everyday. The enthusiasm for this team is tremendous. From the callers and the commentators. People get it. Go to PNC and have some fun.

yinzerpgh · 04-24-2023, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bambino

Don’t you think Nutting realizes the better the Pirates are, the more people will show up? It happened during 2012/2015. That wasn’t eons ago. Nutting is a multi billionaire, you’re really not hurting him financially if you don’t go to the games. You’re hurting the local businesses, vendors at the park etc. the team is substantially better than the last few years. If you enjoy baseball, why not go? Who gives a fuck about the owner? It’s a great venue and in my opinion, a better environment than Steelers games. I listen to the Fan everyday. The enthusiasm for this team is tremendous. From the callers and the commentators. People get it. Go to PNC and have some fun.

I personally believe that, if Nutting can make a few bucks, he's happy enough with the status quo. He obviously doesn't care about winning any pennants or else he would...win pennants.

Serious question; does he go to the games? Maybe he's just a superfan of baseball and wanted to go to every game in the season and figured he could buy an MLB team instead of buying season tickets lol

bambino · 04-24-2023, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

I personally believe that, if Nutting can make a few bucks, he's happy enough with the status quo. He obviously doesn't care about winning any pennants or else he would...win pennants.

Serious question; does he go to the games? Maybe he's just a superfan of baseball and wanted to go to every game in the season and figured he could buy an MLB team instead of buying season tickets lol

They won 98 games in 2015. They were considered a legitimate WS contender. They brought in Burnett, Martin, Marlon Byrd and Mournue to help put them over the top. It wasn’t Nuttings fault they ran into Buamgardner/Giants in 14 and Arietta/Cubs in 15. Those pitchers were unhitable those years and dominated in the WS. Nutting then fired Huntington and brought in Cherrington. Things are moving in a positive direction again. Small market teams have a razor thin margin for error. He offered Reynolds the highest contract in Pirates history. Over payed Hayes. He’s trying to keep players around. To say he’s not trying to win is misguided. They have a brighter future than the Pens.

Charley3 · 04-24-2023, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

I personally believe that, if Nutting can make a few bucks, he's happy enough with the status quo. He obviously doesn't care about winning any pennants or else he would...win pennants.

Serious question; does he go to the games? Maybe he's just a superfan of baseball and wanted to go to every game in the season and figured he could buy an MLB team instead of buying season tickets lol

Nutting rarely shows his face for good reason. Plus he’s busy counting his luxury tax money!

bambino · 04-24-2023, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley3

Nutting rarely shows his face for good reason. Plus he’s busy counting his luxury tax money!

Rooney has one press conference per year. He also counts his luxury tax money. Who actually owns the Penguins? I don’t think they’ve showed up in Pittsburgh yet. They also count their luxury tax money.

tommy156 · 04-24-2023, 08:46 PM

Pirates are among the most profitable teams in all of baseball. That's what happens when you have a beautiful ballpark and don't spend any money on the team. Nutting has no incentive to change his ownership style. Gonna be like this for the foreseeable future.

bambino · 04-24-2023, 09:59 PM

They’re 25th in revenues. Their valuation is 24th. 1.32 billion

https://www.totalsportal.com/list/ml...ghest-revenue/

Oakland is 29th in revenues but make a higher profit than the Pirates. And they’re moving to Vegas.

Here’s a comprehensive list of MLB franchise financial data.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/gi...023-season?amp

tommy156 · 04-24-2023, 10:54 PM

Beg your pardon. Perhaps my info was outdated. Well, good, maybe the local boycott really is driving down revenues. I don't have any high hopes with Nutting in charge, but who knows... maybe a blind squirreling...

bambino · 04-25-2023, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tommy156

Beg your pardon. Perhaps my info was outdated. Well, good, maybe the local boycott really is driving down revenues. I don't have any high hopes with Nutting in charge, but who knows... maybe a blind squirreling...

The Pirates are 9th in profits. Which means he’s an astute business person because the revenues are low. Revenue determines how much you can invest back into the business. The Pirates will never have the payroll the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets do no matter who the owner is. Unless that owner wants to go bankrupt. I would wager the payroll will go up the better they get.

On a surprising note, the Pirates are 9th in merchandise sold. People like that Pirate swag.

https://twitter.com/kiki5851/status/...0AMolspcYxY9QA

Charley3 · 04-25-2023, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tommy156

Beg your pardon. Perhaps my info was outdated. Well, good, maybe the local boycott really is driving down revenues. I don't have any high hopes with Nutting in charge, but who knows... maybe a blind squirreling...

It’s either the boycott or most rational people have said enough is enough and would rather spend their entertainment dollars on something else. One good month. One! There will be more, and the suckers will get excited then reality hits again.

Rinse and repeat!
Bahahahahahahahahahaha

NFL draft is Thursday!! Snuck up on me.

bambino · 04-25-2023, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley3

It’s either the boycott or most rational people have said enough is enough and would rather spend their entertainment dollars on something else. One good month. One! There will be more, and the suckers will get excited then reality hits again.

Rinse and repeat!
Bahahahahahahahahahaha

NFL draft is Thursday!! Snuck up on me.

Who’s a sucker? If you like baseball you’ll go. If you hate Nutting and stay home with your hate that’s on you. You hate Tomlin too. The draft is primarily his show. Are you going to tune out of that too?

bambino · 04-25-2023, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley3

It’s either the boycott or most rational people have said enough is enough and would rather spend their entertainment dollars on something else. One good month. One! There will be more, and the suckers will get excited then reality hits again.

Rinse and repeat!
Bahahahahahahahahahaha

NFL draft is Thursday!! Snuck up on me.

Who’s a sucker? If you like baseball you’ll go. If you hate Nutting and stay home with your hate that’s on you. I’ll go to see the Dodgers as much as the Pirates. Because I’m a fan of the game. You hate Tomlin too. The draft is primarily his show. Are you going to tune out of that too?