Real world information in reviews??

[Sensia]

EA

Legitimate massage therapy establishments are required by law to keep all therapists licensed in plain view. Hefty fines are issued if they don't or they are shut down or both.
As far as a therapist advertising on BP (I agree they shouldn't put their real name, License etc), but if this is a legitimate massage therapist then they do this because they want customers that are not from our little hobby world. In addition we could destroy someones life if someone claims a false review on a legitimate massage therapist who has no intention of being in the hobby. As LL pointed out some will do a false review just to get credit. Since that is what is encouraged.

This place here, is set up as an establishment and they have to by law have their licenses prominently displayed and they are subject to regular announcement inspections at anytime. http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=514295

This really shouldn't be that hard to understand. It seems some of you want to lump all the real legitimate massage therapists in as providers, when clearly most are not.

Does a legitimate massage therapist get pressured to do more than her therapeutic massage? You bet ya. Most will turn on the lights and tell the guy to hit the road and never come back. Or even report them. But there are a few who may be hurting for money and just might falter with the one wrong guy and then this guy has them plastered all over the internet on a place like this. Then there goes the job and their lives are destroyed. Is this what we want to do to women who really aren't providers?

[Sensia]

You may want to read these: Occupation Code Texas Massage Therapy

(b) Each massage establishment must post in plain sight the license for each licensed massage therapist.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Sensia

EA

.... then this guy has them plastered all over the internet on a place like this. Then there goes the job and their lives are destroyed. Is this what we want to do to women who really aren't providers?

The reason there are stop signs and red lights with accompanying fines is this mentality:

"Of course, if some of you assholes would shut-up and not tell every gal who has a review(especially massage gals), that they have a review, we could all enjoy their services without getting lumped into the category of one of those "review board guys". I particularly like the bullshit dance that massage gals and their clients do: They pretend that we are the only ones they do this with, and we pretend like we are all appreciative and not gonna tell our buddies the details. The are massage therapists, not sex workers. Right? "

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=31030

[Wakeup]

I'm seriously beginning to think that people here don't speak English...I'll say it again. THIS BOARD TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ILLEGAL ACTIONS OF OTHERS NOR THE REPRECUSSIONS THEREOF.

If a licensed massage therapist gets reviewed here it's because she gave illegal extras to a client...and you guys want to hold the REVIEWER responsible for her getting her license removed for doing so? Your logic astounds me...

Now repeat the above sentence substituting "licensed massage therapist" with "stripper" and repeat...

If they don't want to have a review here...and they don't want to have their license revoked...then STOP DOING EXTRAS! They're the ones fucking with their livelihood, not us.

A guy murders someone on your lawn and you call 911 to report it. By your logic we should get pissed off at you for calling 911 and getting the murderer in trouble? Please...continue running with that argument so I can keep ridiculing it...

P.S.-Responding to the whole "everyone who posts in the Therapeutic Massage section is a licensed therapist" comment...nope, not going to do it again since it was incredibly stupid the first time...

[Wakeup]

By the way..you can't on one hand claim that removing a review does no good because you can still Google search it and then on the other hand get upset at the moderators for not removing it in a timely fashion...just sayin'...

I'm still waiting for an argument that makes any kind of sense...c'mon people, give me a challenge here...

[Sensia]

Well wakeup the mods have already established here in this thread that hobbyists are not to review UTR massage ladies or even those who are not providers or connect any real world information in a review have we not? Or did I miss something?

At this point we are just hashing the same thing over and over again, and you obviously think its ok to out someone on this board. Your logic is flawed in my opinion but I think its just that you could care less what happens to someone who isn't a provider or those who work around this person should they get caught up in the aftermath.

Yes aspd had a strict rule about no LMT/RMT reviews period and this was to ensure that someone who is not a provider or some legitimate establishment gets caught up in the cross hairs of a state inspector or LE (unbeknownst to them) on what one or two ladies may or may not have done in their place of business.

It is common sense. There is a big difference between a asian massage parlor with pink glowing neon lights (they don't have any licenses) and those who are open during the day time with men and women patronizing their salon/spa services. This is the reason so many LMT/RMT's and the legitimate Spas / Salons want anyone and everyone shut down that even has a whimper of illegal activity. It is dog eat dog right now with some of these competing spas by the way, and I have watched them report someone trying to shut them down, and a state inspector comes out and does an impromptu visit and fines the crap out of them or shuts them down. Those who have done nothing wrong lose their jobs because now its shut down. In addition they have to go around with that hanging over their head and if its a female then when they try to go get a job at another legitimate establishment everyone is wondering if they were one of the gals who "did that sort of thing" and they are always suspect.

[Sensia]

By the way I will keep this thread open for discussion until one of the mods feels it needs to be closed. I think by keeping it going in our discussion it may help others have a different view on this and maybe think twice about posting on some poor girl who is not a provider and setting her up or those around her for a major fall and getting fined or lose their licenses. So just keep bumping this thread up all you want it helps keep it visible.

=)

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

A guy murders someone on your lawn and you call 911 to report it. By your logic we should get pissed off at you for calling 911 and getting the murderer in trouble? Please...continue running with that argument so I can keep ridiculing it.

Do you frequently ridicule yourself, or is this a new wrinkle?

Since you brought up murder ....

Here is a more accurate scenario .... using your logic and some posting in here ..

A guy murders someone in your yard and ....

.... blames the victim for getting in the way of his bullet!

It goes like this:

Hobbyist calls an RMT in the therapeutic section of the BP ... and while getting his MASSAGE persuades her to give him a HJ for some extra bucks.... and then costs her the license by posting a review without her knowing he was even on this board or going to post her activities in a PUBLIC FORUM!

His "defense" .... IT WAS HER FAULT! SHE MADE ME DO IT!

so it is HER fault

Please don't give up your day job for a philosophical one, ok?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

"Of course, if some of you assholes would shut-up and not tell every gal who has a review(especially massage gals), that they have a review, we could all enjoy their services without getting lumped into the category of one of those "review board guys". I particularly like the bullshit dance that massage gals and their clients do: They pretend that we are the only ones they do this with, and we pretend like we are all appreciative and not gonna tell our buddies the details. The are massage therapists, not sex workers. Right? "

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=31030

Now it is HER fault.

[Sensia]

Oh while I am at it posting here..lol

I give you hobbyists more credit than some do here. I think you are smarter than what some say you are. I think there are those who genuinely do care about what happens to another human being with regard to this subject. I think that most of you do take the time to read and hopefully this will persuade you to not post a review with information that could harm someone in such scenario as in this thread. I also think that those of you who do care will speak up if necessary on a review that outs someone.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

I'm seriously beginning to think that people here don't speak English...I'll say it again. THIS BOARD TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ILLEGAL ACTIONS OF OTHERS NOR THE REPRECUSSIONS THEREOF.

Of course. But apparently "this board," through the rules and moderating, disparately treat groups and discrimately punish violators for outing people about whom posts are written.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Sensia

Well wakeup the mods have already established here in this thread that hobbyists are not to review UTR massage ladies or even those who are not providers or connect any real world information in a review have we not? Or did I miss something?

No, you caught that part alright. So what was the purpose of this thread again? Seeing as there's already a policy in place?

Originally Posted by Sensia

At this point we are just hashing the same thing over and over again, and you obviously think its ok to out someone on this board.

You keep putting words in my mouth and I'll have to put something in yours, like my dick. Where did I say this? Just because you think it's outing when someone puts up a review of a therapist who sucks dick for money and who is dumb enough to use their real name and license number doesn't mean I have to believe the same thing.

Originally Posted by Sensia

...but I think its just that you could care less what happens to someone who isn't a provider or those who work around this person should they get caught up in the aftermath.

Both true and not true. True, I could care less when a provider or a john gets busted. We all know the risks, and if we can't handle them, then stop fucking for money or paying for it. False, that a licensed massage therapist who gives illegal extras during a massage isn't a provider. When they cross that line, they're no different from the rest of us and they need to accept the same risks we do.

Originally Posted by Sensia

Yes aspd had a strict rule about no LMT/RMT reviews period and this was to ensure that someone who is not a provider or some legitimate establishment gets caught up in the cross hairs of a state inspector or LE (unbeknownst to them) on what one or two ladies may or may not have done in their place of business.

There you go with that "not a provider" stuff again...where's your logic in that? I have to ask because you keep repeating it like is a mantra. Explain to me how a licensed massage therapist who provides extras ISN'T a provider. Please.

Originally Posted by Sensia

It is dog eat dog right now with some of these competing spas by the way, and I have watched them report someone trying to shut them down, and a state inspector comes out and does an impromptu visit and fines the crap out of them or shuts them down. Those who have done nothing wrong lose their jobs because now its shut down.

Wait...if they "did nothing wrong" then why did the inspector shut them down or fine them? Huh? They can fine law abiding citizens because Asians down the road are breaking the law? LL, bring some of that "I'm not sharing my expertise" over here and explain that one to me please...

Originally Posted by Sensia

In addition they have to go around with that hanging over their head and if its a female then when they try to go get a job at another legitimate establishment everyone is wondering if they were one of the gals who "did that sort of thing" and they are always suspect.

So...because the Asians are supposedly breaking the law, every legitimate massage therapist is now the focus of ridicule and suspicion? Going to have to explain that one to me too sweety...

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Hobbyist calls an RMT in the therapeutic section of the BP ... and while getting his MASSAGE persuades her to give him a HJ for some extra bucks.... and then costs her the license by posting a review without her knowing he was even on this board or going to post her activities in a PUBLIC FORUM!

His "defense" .... IT WAS HER FAULT! SHE MADE ME DO IT!

No, his defense is, "SHE TOUCHED MY PEEPEE!"...

The client "persuaded her" by giving her "some extra bucks"? Don't you see how stupid that sounds? She's a provider now. End of story...

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Of course. But apparently "this board," through the rules and moderating, disparately treat groups and discrimately punish violators for outing people about whom posts are written.

I'm having trouble parsing this sentence...can you do a rewrite real quick for clarification?

[Sensia]

Wakeup we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Again thanks for keeping the thread alive.. and appreciate all your input!