Transphobia the guiding theme of Trump's hateful ad campaign

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I'd stay away from any <18 year old discussions. Yall mean well. But those discussions ain't allowed here.

[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by Brot

And there in lies the problem with the Populist spinners sensationalizing this issue for political purposes.


Puberty blockers are generally given for the primary purpose of allowing vulnerable / confused children time to sort out their identities. These have been around for decades with a clear safety record and have been a godsend for children with precocious puberty. Mainstream health care providers following the science will not put children on hormones until they come of age. Yes there are zealots on every issue that think they have the answers including ignorant parents and school administrators. What is at stake here is more about how (the power granted to the government) is going to allow parents to raise their children.



Most of the suicides related to this issue are a result of a lack of empathy, understanding and or hate. A significant % of those saying they are trans and starting on puberty blockers never go through with surgeries or hormone therapy and mature out of the state. Trans that do complete the transition and reach the age of 25 have a suicide rate commensurate with the general population. The recent medical journals have much to say on this issue.



What seems clear to me is that as science progresses and new and powerfully scary options become available. Americans needs more science education that does not come from the thirsty political power seekers. That there are issues of regulation that should be the topic here and being worked out in congress and not crucifying children or even misguided parents.


Of course that presumes educated legislators that have not been captured by special interests.

A kid can't buy alcohol, get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, drive, vote till of a certain age because kids don't make great decisions.
But according to the latest leftist dogma here in the US it's apparently perfectly normal and reasonable for a kid to go on life altering hormones.
We used to have Emos, punks, Mods, whatever phases, and those kids would wear nail polish or party or whatever, but they didn't ruin their bodies and had plenty of opportunity to snap out of it.
If body parts get chopped off they're not coming back, not with full function anyway. Taking hormones impacts mental and physical development.
There are detransitioners you can find online who tell their story. It's not a happy tale they tell.
The virtue signaling parents should get their heads examined for bad parenting, or more appropriately lose custody for child neglect and endangerment.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by TravelingHere

Why should my taxes pay for elective transgender surgeries in prisons. It's not healthcare. It's a mental illness or cynical depravity or delusional impressionable teenagers duped by social pressure.
If they want to be gay let them be gay. If they want to cross-dress, we've had that forever.
Sure, as a guy I don't care if lesbians use my bathroom, but I sure as heck have a problem with strange men sharing a bathroom with kids of the opposite gender or males on girls sports teams. What's the point even of having girls sports then.
It's preposterous and obscene.
If politicians like Cruz latch onto that then I can't blame them. Democrats have become the party of the weird. Unforced error on their part.

I do believe that biological boys (has XY chromosomes) should not being playing sports with biological girls (has xx chromosomes). I guess I am one of those sane Democrats.

In the commercial that Trump and Ted Cruz run, Harris is quoted to say a Transgendered in the prison system should have access to health care. She did not say a male (came into the system as a male) should be able to turn himself into a girl on taxpayer dime.

You have a word in your post that begins with a K that should not be mentioned on this site. You might want to take it out if you can.

[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I do believe that biological boys (has XY chromosomes) should not being playing sports with biological girls (has xx chromosomes). I guess I am one of those sane Democrats.

In the commercial that Trump and Ted Cruz run, Harris is quoted to say a Transgendered in the prison system should have access to health care. She did not say a male (came into the system as a male) should be able to turn himself into a girl on taxpayer dime.

You have a word in your post that begins with a K that should not be mentioned on this site. You might want to take it out if you can.

Isn't transgenderism about that? If mods want to take it down they can. I've made my point and it's truth

[rooster]

You are just repeating the talking point, dog-whistle nonsense that MAGA has used to destroy the GOP. You are unapologetic about that, and that's fine. At least you are consistent with your message.

I don't know why others think they can "debate" you on this. You are what you are. But we're gonna call out these exaggerations and lies that you repeat when we see them.

MAGA loves to make it sound like "kids going trans" is a common thing, that it is promoted by "Libs", and that any kid can do it, whenever they want, just on a whim.

It's a lie.

But just another to go along with the 30,000+ documented lies (lookit up) that Trump has promoted.

The party of "less government" is going to protect all of our kids because we are incapable of doing so. Right. Thanks so much.

Leave other people's kids...and LGBTQ people in general...the fuck alone.

Jeezis. How about EVERYONE leave this the fuck alone. Let these people live their lives. Let PARENTS make decisions for THEIR kids. And just fucking....stopppppp...

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[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I guess I am one of those sane Democrats.

That's what I was

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by TravelingHere

Isn't transgenderism about that?

Transgenderism is about is about wanting to change one's gender regardless of age (Example Bruce Jenner, Chaz Bono). There are some words, phrases that are illegal topics to use on this site. The point is one can get pointed for using illegal words. If you care about your access to the site be careful. If you don't care do what you want. There are several userids that have been placed on vacation more than once and come back.

[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Transgenderism is about is about wanting to change one's gender regardless of age (Example Bruce Jenner, Cher's kid Chaz Bono). There are some words, phrases that are illegal topics to use on this site. The point is one can get pointed for using illegal words. If you care about your access to the site be careful. If you don't care do what you want. There are several userids that have been placed on vacation more than once and come back.

And yet the controversy and outrage doesn't revolve around Caitlyn Jenner. No one cares.. he's just a weird/ eccentric guy. It's about brainwashing young people and building up a new confused generation, expanding the Overton window to embrace more weirdness.

The public's perception of the topic revolves around classrooms, young people, social pressure, indoctrination and parents rights vs state.. here, take a look:
https://today.yougov.com/politics/ar...-policy-issues

The OP started with an article regarding politicians targeting transgenderism and naming specific ways they did so. I am addressing those specifics and the topic.

I don't think too many people care what adults do amongst themselves, surely not people on this board, but it's not really about adults.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Transgenderism is about is about wanting to change one's gender regardless of age (

If this is how you define transgenderism, it’s a fantasy. A person can not change their gender anymore than they can their age or race. They can pretend to be something they’re not, even cutting off/sewing on body parts and pumping themselves full of hormones, but it doesn’t make them that thing.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

If this is how you define transgenderism, it’s a fantasy. A person can not change their gender anymore than they can their age or race. They can pretend to be something they’re not, even cutting off/sewing on body parts and pumping themselves full of hormones, but it doesn’t make them that thing.

That's right. If you were born with the xy chromosomes (biological male) you will always have them in your DNA. It will not matter how many operations the Doctor performs on you or how many hormones you get.

Bruce/Kaitlyn Jenner is a biological male that looks like a woman, thus a transgendered person.

Perhaps change one's appearance instead of gender would be a better definition for Transgender, since the DNA is not changing.

[Tiny]

The idea of turning a penis into a vagina, hormone therapy and all the rest of it sends shudders up my spine. It's right up there with the thought of somebody taking a dump on my face. However, I've read a bit of the research on gender affirming care. And have an extended family member, who I talk with, who transitioned. Based on that there's no doubt in my mind it makes sense in many instances. As to the higher rates of mental and physical illness and suicides in transgenders, I believe the majority would be even worse off without treatment. And I question how much of their physical and mental illness, as well as the higher incidence of poverty, actually results from the way society treats trans people.

If a particular locality or state wants to ban trans women competing in women's sports, the use of government funds for transitioning, and surgery until someone's 21 years of age, that's fine in my view. But don't treat this as a major issue in a political campaign, right up there with the economy and illegal immigration. As someone here noted, only about 0.5% of the population identifies as transgender.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by TravelingHere

And yet the controversy and outrage doesn't revolve around Caitlyn Jenner. No one cares.. he's just a weird/ eccentric guy. It's about brainwashing young people and building up a new confused generation, expanding the Overton window to embrace more weirdness.

The public's perception of the topic revolves around classrooms, young people, social pressure, indoctrination and parents rights vs state.. here, take a look:
https://today.yougov.com/politics/ar...-policy-issues

The OP started with an article regarding politicians targeting transgenderism and naming specific ways they did so. I am addressing those specifics and the topic.

I don't think too many people care what adults do amongst themselves, surely not people on this board, but it's not really about adults.

The op makes a point about Trump's hateful ad campaign. Specifically, I was talking about the ad in which Harris is quoted to say she supports healthcare for a transgender person in the prison system. She did not say or imply that a male in prison should be allowed to go thru the process of becoming a transgender like (what Bruce Jenner did) on taxpayer dime. This ad has run 100,000 times on ESPN ever since Harris got the nomination.

[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The op makes a point about Trump's hateful ad campaign. Specifically, I was talking about the ad in which Harris is quoted to say she supports healthcare for a transgender person in the prison system. She did not say or imply that a male in prison should be allowed to go thru the process of becoming a transgender like (what Bruce Jenner did) on taxpayer dime. This ad has run 100,000 times on ESPN ever since Harris got the nomination.

Even Snopes says it's true:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fa...dy/ar-AA1rl41K

She says she supports it. If they're in the prison system then it would be our dollars paying for it.
It's factual, not hateful. Am I missing something?

[Yssup Rider]

I think you are exactly who Trump is taking to. No question about it. However, how many people are going to vote for Ted Cruz or Twatler over this issue?

It's just pissing people off.

[TravelingHere]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I think you are exactly who Trump is taking to. No question about it. However, how many people are going to vote for Ted Cruz or Twatler over this issue?

It's just pissing people off.

Well, if the Dems drop the insanity and come back to their working class tradition then all this nonsense goes away.
It's strange that Dems are now the party of world-policing and big corporations and the rich and bankers and Wall Street. Strange to me anyway.