Liberals and conservatives....

[EmilyHemingway]

Palin. I dislike her because I think she's a pushy bitch. That doesn't have anything to do with her politics though. Unfortunately, I agree with her politics more than most other politicians out there. Which isn't saying much. Mmm, wait, there's the ex brother-in-law she tried to get fired from his job as a trooper because of a family dispute, so put "pushy bitch" back to having something to do with her politics. Now I get to dislike her without feeling intellectually dishonest.

There are quite a number of people out there for whom "backward-ass yokel" would be exactly how other countries describe them. They are just as much "We, the people" as any other American.

Hemingway-Sacker (in some order) for 2012! My first act would be to fire Bernanke. My second would be to cleanse the aura of the Lincoln Bedroom by giving Carrie Hillcrest and Lauren Summerhill the run of it for a week, along with any gentleman who thought he could survive the night with the pair of them.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

And then you have the Tea Baggers who are claiming to be Libertarians.

First off, it is Tea Party, not Tea Bagger -- you reveal your liberal credentials with that derisive comment regardless of what your graphs show.

Second, the Tea Party movement is a small government movement whose only core issue is out of control government spend by both the Rep & the Dems at all levels of government. Both parties need them, because neither side can win with just their base.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

First off, it is Tea Party, not Tea Bagger -- you reveal your liberal credentials with that derisive comment regardless of what your graphs show.

Second, the Tea Party movement is a small government movement whose only core issue is out of control government spend by both the Rep & the Dems at all levels of government. Both parties need them, because neither side can win with just their base.

Word!

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by EmilyHemingway

My second would be to cleanse the aura of the Lincoln Bedroom by giving Carrie Hillcrest and Lauren Summerhill the run of it for a week, along with any gentleman who thought he could survive the night with the pair of them.

Happy to take the challenge and hope they survive

[Marcus Aurelius]

I would take the challenge as well and if I didn't survive it would be a great place to haunt.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Second, the Tea Party movement is a small government movement whose only core issue is out of control government spend by both the Rep & the Dems at all levels of government. Both parties need them, because neither side can win with just their base.

The problem with the Tea people is that they proclaim they are for smaller govt. yet scream bloody murder if you talk about reigning in Medicade cost or Defense spending...or any spending that the GOP so loves. They want shit, yet do not offer up a solution as to how to pay for their wants. Kinda like the Dems.

I find them to be cute but a tad ignorant in the ways of actual spending. They did not unseat a sinle GOP incumbent here in Texas.

[pjorourke]

There is a difference between reigning in Medicare and cutting it (or more accurately pretending to cut it ala the "doc fix") so that you can shovel the money out the door on a more expensive program.

But then again, if health care is a "right", why are you surprised when people bitch about having their rights cut?

BTW, National Defense (including Iraq and Afghanistan) runs less than 20% of Federal expenditure or around 3-4% of GDP. Thats less than half what it was during Nam and about 1/3 what it was during the cold war. That horse has been beat to death.

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by EmilyHemingway

My second would be to cleanse the aura of the Lincoln Bedroom by giving Carrie Hillcrest and Lauren Summerhill the run of it for a week, along with any gentleman who thought he could survive the night with the pair of them.

If you survive you get a cabinet spot?!

Just Kidding.

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

BTW, National Defense (including Iraq and Afghanistan) runs less than 20% of Federal expenditure or around 3-4% of GDP. Thats less than half what it was during Nam and about 1/3 what it was during the cold war. That horse has been beat to death.

I am not going to say you are wrong on this because I honestly don't know. I don't know how anyone knows exactly what is spent where since the numbers are different depending on which pundit you ask. But if you had a trusted website to link us to I would really like to see it.

I am not "calling you out" or anything like that just asking if you have some research to show.

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by John Bull

It is a misstatement to place conservative and religious zealot in the same descriptive phrase as if they are one and the same. They are very different.
It is easy to imagine a conservative who might also be, in his private life, a religious zealot. But, it is not possible that the same man/woman could be a true conservative and espouse laws which force his religious views onto the people. A true conservative reveres the Constitution and adheres to it's prohibition on a state religion.

For books on conservative principle's, written in easy to understand, simple language try: The Conscience of a Conservative; and With No Apologies: The Outspoken Political Memoirs of America's Conservative Conscience both by Barry Goldwater.

The Libertarians among us, and I count myself very close to their camp, will recognize many of the principle's he espoused.

Hence my modifier, "contain some elements,"

Regards,

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by WTF

The problem with the Tea people is that they proclaim they are for smaller govt. yet scream bloody murder if you talk about reigning in Medicaid cost or Defense spending...or any spending that the GOP so loves. They want shit, yet do not offer up a solution as to how to pay for their wants. Kinda like the Dems.

I find them to be cute but a tad ignorant in the ways of actual spending. They did not unseat a sinle GOP incumbent here in Texas.

Gotta watch those generalizations, I've been to a couple of tea parties and also support elimination of medicare (medicaid, I think is a state issue and somewhat different, although I may be mistaken), as noted earlier in the thread I also think defense spending can be trimmed by elimination of the inordinate concern for collateral damage etc., I also agree that the F22 project was over priced and needed to die. We spend far too much trying to convert our broadsword to a scalpel for those afraid to wield it.

By the way, did you note that the turn out for the GOP primary was 2X the usual? Don't think the tea parties mean anything huh?

Regards,

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

I am not going to say you are wrong on this because I honestly don't know. I don't know how anyone knows exactly what is spent where since the numbers are different depending on which pundit you ask. But if you had a trusted website to link us to I would really like to see it.

I am not "calling you out" or anything like that just asking if you have some research to show.

Knock yourself out. Notice I disabled the gov link. A little cuttin and pastin should work

http://www.whitehouse . gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

If you survive you get a cabinet spot?!

Just Kidding.

Second prize is TWO cabinet jobs.

[rekcaSxT]

Secretaries of Seduction and Pleasure...

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

But then again, if health care is a "right", why are you surprised when people bitch about having their rights cut?

can anything that depends on another person to pay for it be a "right"?