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Gentlemen, My guess is that Levianon is not a Trump supporter, and furthermore President Trump DID support the vaccine. In fact, IMHO, pushing approval of the MRNA vaccines through the FDA in record time and Operation Warp Speed were among his greatest accomplishments.
I am no longer a supporter of any Political figure. I've come to the realization Government no longer supports the people Economically, Socially, Spiritually or Medically.
In a previous post on this thread, I characterized the Covid shots not as a vaccine in the true sense of the word, but as a palliative pre-treatment that reduced the severity of the symptoms if one did get sick. The CEC found that it had to actually redefine what a vaccine is to fit what we actually got.
Here's the CDC's definition of vaccine, pre-covid in 2019, from the Way Back Machine:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
That's what the COVID vaccine does. That's what the flu vaccine does too. Initially the COVID vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID. The updated COVID booster may very well be as effective as the current flu vaccine in preventing disease.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812
Both President Trump and President Biden listened to the medical experts, Birx and Fauci, as would any high-powered CEO, and believed what they were told by those who purported to know. Most CEOs of major enterprises have little specific knowledge of the nuts and bolts of how their industry works. Thy do not really know how the sausage is made. They rely on the expert input from specialists in this or that, then make strategic decisions based on w3hat tyhey are told.
I hold both Mr Trump and Mr. Biden blameless in the vaccine fiasco.
I don't blame Brix or Fauci. Yeah, they were wrong on occasion, but that was a result of having inadequate and changing data or trying to promote public health. The herd immunity thing for example, yes Fauci may have stuck with that explanation longer than he should have because he wanted more people to get vaccinated. It's like telling your children to eat spinach because it will make them grow up to be big and strong. It may be misrepresenting the truth, but the ends justify the means if they eat more fruits and vegetables and less sweets.
Doctors understandably are going to emphasize the health of the public over the health of the economy. We pay politicians to sort that out. And where I live in Texas, they did a pretty good job of that.
Go back to the OP. That will give you some better ideas of who to try to pin the blame on, if that's what you want to do.
Here's the CDC's definition of vaccine, pre-covid in 2019, from the Way Back Machine:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
That's what the COVID vaccine does...Initially the COVID vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID.
No it wasn't. You were lied too. Why do you think they had to keep revising the efficacy? Because they KNEW it was worthless... That's the same reason they changed the definition of a vaccine from one that produced immunity to a disease to - it lessens the severity? It's because IT'S NOT A VACCINE.
Matters not to me if you decided to join the experiment... just that the fcuking feds tried to force me into it as well.
I am no longer a supporter of any Political figure. I've come to the realization Government no longer supports the people Economically, Socially, Spiritually or Medically.
You look at life much differently than I do. It's my job to take care of that for me and mine. It's not the government's job to hold my hand. I trust one person to make things happen for me. And I just have to look in the mirror to see him.
If you think Covid and the vaccine are a hoax, that's fine. Live your life accordingly. Why you argue profusely about it the way that you do is what makes no fucking sense to me. Just curious; what is your medical background to post as you do about the subject matter? Bitchute? LOL
You look at life much differently than I do. It's my job to take care of that for me and mine. It's not the government's job tohold my hand. I trust one person to make things happen for me. And I just have to look in the mirror to see him.
If you think Covid and the vaccine are a hoax, that's fine. Live your life accordingly. Why you argue profusely about it the way that you do is what makes no fucking sense to me. Just curious; what is your medical background to post as you do about the subject matter? Bitchute? LOL
My Wife and I got the shots ASAP because we are in our seventies. Our son and daughter in law (in their 40s) got the shots because they both work with groups in a church setting and in an eructation setting. We masked and sanitized obsessively.
All four of us got sick and tested positive for Covid at one time or another.
It has subsequently been acknowledged by government agencies that the Covid shots did not prevent infection, nor did they prevent spread by asymptomatic individuals. The only benefit of the shots now acknowledged by the authorities is that if you got the shots and later on became infected, the symptoms were less severe.
Did any government agency ever state that getting the Covid shot was 100% effective in keeping a person from contracting Covid? Did any government agency ever state that getting the Covid shot would keep an asymptomatic person from spreading Covid?
As I've stated several times, my wife and I were test subjects for the Pfizer Covid vaccine. She got the real vaccine and I received the placebo. We were tracked for at least a year after the shots, going in for blood tests on occasion and were required to report positive tests for Covid. My wife got Covid and this helped Pfizer determine that a booster was needed.
In March 2020 when Covid hit hard for the first time, there were many unanswered questions about it -- how it was transmitted, how effective masks and distancing were in preventing infection, how long did immunity last if you caught Covid, etc. Then after the vaccine became available again there were many unanswered questions -- how effective was the vaccine, how long did the vaccine last, what were the negative side effects, etc.
I think the questions have been answered through the testing and analysis although some continue to question those answers.
By their actions and public statements, both President Trump and President Biden showed that they understood (were led to believe) thaat th Covid "vaccine" would be generally effective in protecting people from contracting the disease, and further that vaccinated people would not be carriers or spreaders of th disease. These characteristics used to be part of the CDC definition of what pharmaceuticals are vaccines. That they did not performed in that way forced the CDC to change their definition of a vaccine . . .how Orwellian.
The pharmaceuticals developed by multiple companies did not protect one from infection nor did they keep one from being an infectious carrier of the contagion. As to efficacy, whatever effect the shots did have in ameliorating the symptoms of the disease wore off quickly. I applaud that they work at all, as it seems that many infected individuals did not develop life threatening conditions.
However, for government agencies and medical professionals in government to continue to refer to these pharmaceuticals as "Vaccines" is disingenuous and misleading to the point of being a deliberate dissemination of misinformation and untruths . . .in other words, a lie.
By their actions and public statements, both President Trump and President Biden showed that they understood (were led to believe) thaat th Covid "vaccine" would be generally effective in protecting people from contracting the disease, and further that vaccinated people would not be carriers or spreaders of th disease. These characteristics used to be part of the CDC definition of what pharmaceuticals are vaccines. That they did not performed in that way forced the CDC to change their definition of a vaccine . . .how Orwellian.
The pharmaceuticals developed by multiple companies did not protect one from infection nor did they keep one from being an infectious carrier of the contagion. As to efficacy, whatever effect the shots did have in ameliorating the symptoms of the disease wore off quickly. I applaud that they work at all, as it seems that many infected individuals did not develop life threatening conditions.
However, for government agencies and medical professionals in government to continue to refer to these pharmaceuticals as "Vaccines" is disingenuous and misleading to the point of being a deliberate dissemination of misinformation and untruths . . .in other words, a lie.
What the various vaccines did, beyond the shadow of any doubt, was save millions of lives.
I'm sorry you do not like the use of the word "vaccine" in this case. Too bad that very few agree with your opinion.
So why, I wonder, does the Venn Diagram of various “deniers” look like a single circle? Why does it look like a backwoods family tree… no branches?
Maybe all the denial threads need to be merged into a single thread. Or a single forum.
It isn’t a debate where there is no exchange of ideas. Not even an argument. Just childish bickering. From this perspective, there are a couple of anti-vaxxers who may be arguing in their spare time.
Perhaps it’s time to retire this circular exercise.
