Mods, Admins...how about dishing out points for whiners that constantly get off-topic?

[Goose2u]

Hell just pick any thread

[oldbutstillgoing]

So let me get this right. Even if someone admits to violations, say, multiple handles, or we can read their very own words about, say, outing someone, we should not just believe them? That they might they lying about what they have admitted to? Interesting. Why would they do that?

Originally Posted by davidfree986

Trouble is Luke, outing, false reviews and even multiple handles sometimes with all the different and free wi fi hotspots are very hard to prove as fact by a mod, much less a regular member, unless a person admitted to the offense somewhere, but even then, caution should be taken on what should actually be believed, or a third party informs on the outing/a provider rebukes a review, you have nothing but possible wanna have it real assumptions and ingrained in you as fact, but in all honesty, you really do not know. Only a fool believes what they read on the internet, even when someone says they did something, how do you know for a fact, especially on this site? Your best bet is to take things said on here with a grain of salt AND take into consideration the source who tells you what to think and their motivations behind it. Once you do that, your perspective may change.

[Chainsaw Anthropologist]

Originally Posted by Boltfan

So let's say, in theory, a member was banned for outing someone and then created multiple handles to circumvent that ban. There is proof posted in multiple forums of such events. Some of the is proof is in open forums, some, such as the original outing post, is in a restricted access forum (for example, the mens lounge or provider only areas).

How should the community react to such a member being part of the general population, in your opinion? Should that type of behavior be shared with the community by ownership, in your opinion.

If the opinion of ownership is the guilty members are free to do as they please, what is the penalty to other members if they provide links to the offending material in an attempt to make other members aware of such offending actions?

Lastly, in theory anyways, wouldn't it be useful and better for board discussions, if members allowed to return by ownership after committing outings and subversive actions be noted to the community so they can judge for themselves what weight, if any, they choose to apply to future community interactions?

Theoretically of course.

Woof, woof!!
Great theory

c.a.

[Guest110416]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

So let me get this right. Even if someone admits to violations, say, multiple handles, or we can read their very own words about, say, outing someone, we should not just believe them? That they might they lying about what they have admitted to? Interesting. Why would they do that?

Remember, anyone can say anything on an internet board, even admitting to something they did not do for reasons such as to shut others up or because they want to get a reaction, you know all about posting to get a reaction, right?



To state my theory on your question:

Multiple handles, while maybe trying to be deceptive, is not really a danger to a community. I am pretty sure that over double figures of the members who post or have posted just in the Dallas forum have had multiple handles and they are no threat.

So, just to speculate, not only are some trying to circumvent bans, but also they want to be on the board so that they can do searches, view pics, pr some other purpose. Others have multiple handles because they took to heart what someone they have been persecuting for years said, thinking it is fact, and perhaps also wanted to be on the board as well, but in order to do, had to change their handle, maybe for security reasons, but that is just a theory, so don't quote me.

As far as why someone says what they say, no one is a mind reader so it can't be done. The only thing that members of this board can do is speculate, where you get into trouble is believing what is posted on an internet whore board, especially if they state that opinion as fact, without actual proof to back it up. It may be wrong to say that a person has or is going to break the rules, especially if it is a nuclear one, such as outing another member, but until you know a third party who confirmed the outing comes forward, then there is no basis other than words on a whore board.

However, continuing on with this speculation, if the person who feels he was outed via those words on a whore board, takes it to heart and has to change their handle, basically giving up all their reviews, ect. cuz they obviously cannot claim them anymore or their secret will be discovered. Couple that with any good rep they may have had, then if this person is a hobbyist, let's say, he has to not only let the providers or other guys who he thinks are his friends on the board (another fool theory, BTW) know who he is, but only through PM/text, encouraging them to keep it a secret as well, but they do not, except in public on the open forums anyway. He also has to separate his two handles he has on this site and P411 so that the older OKs he has received from providers he does not want others knowing he has changed handles, and not reviewing with his newer one, UNLESS the provider is new and is oblivious to his prior handle(s), he might have have a review or two under his name.

After all that bullshit he had to go through and a squirming he had to do, and maybe still is, then the biggest and last laugh is taken by the person who was believed by the fool who takes what is said on an internet whore board as real, without facts to back it up. But again, just speculating here, not to be confused with what has actually happened in the past, is happening in the present or maybe will happen in the future.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Interesting logic. But:

Multiple handles is against the rules and a banable offence. It is a threat to the community. The person is breaking the rules and using subterfuge to hide it. How can we trust a review for example, when the person uses another handle to comment and support that review? When the person lies for years about doing so? Then uses a new handle to get around the ban, which is against the rules? And does it over and over?
Someone who repeatedly breaks these rules should have no protection from having there old handles linked publicly to their new one. People deserve to know the context and background of a rule breaker posting on the board. Someone unknowing of the background of the person might use what they post to decide on seeing a gal, for example. This could cost them money and even their safety. That most certainly is a threat to the community.

A person can have their handle changed if needed. They can even disable or guest an account then return under a new account as long as the get staff permission and follow the rules. This is fine. They are not breaking the rules of the site and have staff permission to do this. They are protected from having their handles linked. People here are not stupid. An IP match is not needed to figure out if someone has a past on the board. When someone follows the rule, people need to respect that history, even in they do not respect the person. Not true when it comes to the rule breaker

Outing is a nuclear thing. A person who outs, or tries to out someone should be banned, Forever. But if they are allowed back, their past needs to be publicly available for the protection of the community. They are a direct threat to everyone here.

Your argument is interesting.in concept. Your saying we should not take at face value someone who posts they broke the rules. Are they lying now or were they lying then? They are going to claim to do things they will get them banned just to get a reaction? To get someone off their back? Really?

Your gif Is perfect. Are you lying now, or were you lying then?

Originally Posted by davidfree986

Remember, anyone can say anything on an internet board, even admitting to something they did not do for reasons such as to shut others up or because they want to get a reaction, you know all about posting to get a reaction, right?



To state my theory on your question:

Multiple handles, while maybe trying to be deceptive, is not really a danger to a community. I am pretty sure that over double figures of the members who post or have posted just in the Dallas forum have had multiple handles and they are no threat.

So, just to speculate, not only are some trying to circumvent bans, but also they want to be on the board so that they can do searches, view pics, pr some other purpose. Others have multiple handles because they took to heart what someone they have been persecuting for years said, thinking it is fact, and perhaps also wanted to be on the board as well, but in order to do, had to change their handle, maybe for security reasons, but that is just a theory, so don't quote me.

As far as why someone says what they say, no one is a mind reader so it can't be done. The only thing that members of this board can do is speculate, where you get into trouble is believing what is posted on an internet whore board, especially if they state that opinion as fact, without actual proof to back it up. It may be wrong to say that a person has or is going to break the rules, especially if it is a nuclear one, such as outing another member, but until you know a third party who confirmed the outing comes forward, then there is no basis other than words on a whore board.

However, continuing on with this speculation, if the person who feels he was outed via those words on a whore board, takes it to heart and has to change their handle, basically giving up all their reviews, ect. cuz they obviously cannot claim them anymore or their secret will be discovered. Couple that with any good rep they may have had, then if this person is a hobbyist, let's say, he has to not only let the providers or other guys who he thinks are his friends on the board (another fool theory, BTW) know who he is, but only through PM/text, encouraging them to keep it a secret as well, but they do not, except in public on the open forums anyway. He also has to separate his two handles he has on this site and P411 so that the older OKs he has received from providers he does not want others knowing he has changed handles, and not reviewing with his newer one, UNLESS the provider is new and is oblivious to his prior handle(s), he might have have a review or two under his name.

After all that bullshit he had to go through and a squirming he had to do, and maybe still is, then the biggest and last laugh is taken by the person who was believed by the fool who takes what is said on an internet whore board as real, without facts to back it up. But again, just speculating here, not to be confused with what has actually happened in the past, is happening in the present or maybe will happen in the future.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Sorry, lost access to the site. Need to correct something. My last comment should have been Are they lying now or were they lying then?

Also, if someone who was banned for breaking a nuclear rule is allowed to come back or found to be a new handle and allowed to remain, they should be made to do so under their old handle. That way, their history is out in the open for anyone who wishes to learn it. They can either live up to their old reputation or given time and effort, may be able to gain some credibility once again by being good community members

[Guest110416]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Interesting logic. But:

Multiple handles is against the rules and a banable offence. It is a threat to the community. The person is breaking the rules and using subterfuge to hide it. How can we trust a review for example, when the person uses another handle to comment and support that review? When the person lies for years about doing so? Then uses a new handle to get around the ban, which is against the rules? And does it over and over?
Someone who repeatedly breaks these rules should have no protection from having there old handles linked publicly to their new one. People deserve to know the context and background of a rule breaker posting on the board. Someone unknowing of the background of the person might use what they post to decide on seeing a gal, for example. This could cost them money and even their safety. That most certainly is a threat to the community.

A person can have their handle changed if needed. They can even disable or guest an account then return under a new account as long as the get staff permission and follow the rules. This is fine. They are not breaking the rules of the site and have staff permission to do this. They are protected from having their handles linked. People here are not stupid. An IP match is not needed to figure out if someone has a past on the board. When someone follows the rule, people need to respect that history, even in they do not respect the person. Not true when it comes to the rule breaker

Outing is a nuclear thing. A person who outs, or tries to out someone should be banned, Forever. But if they are allowed back, their past needs to be publicly available for the protection of the community. They are a direct threat to everyone here.

Your argument is interesting.in concept. Your saying we should not take at face value someone who posts they broke the rules. Are they lying now or were they lying then? They are going to claim to do things they will get them banned just to get a reaction? To get someone off their back? Really?

Your gif Is perfect. Are you lying now, or were you lying then?

Who said anything about me? I was speaking hypothetically if that situation occurred. If there is a situation where a nuclear rule was broken AND there is documented proof that it actually occurred, then I think the nuclear rule and the proof they violated it should follow them around if they returned. Know anyone like that? If you are just believing what is/was said on a whore board and taking it as gospel w/o proof, then that foolish mistake is on you!


Having multiple handles is a bannable offense, but not a nuclear rule, which is why when one is caught with two at the same time, the ban is very short. As I said and speaking speculatively here, one one changes his handle after his prior has been banned to get a fresh start, do reviews, be able to post, view, pics, do searches, ect. which a guest cannot do. I also think that unless they are able to change their IP address AND know how to pull of a second personality and not let the first one show, EVER, then the people who have had multiple handles, currently have multiple handles and in the future have multiple handles will always be caught. If they it is not known, it is only a matter of time.

Since an IP match is done, but only by mods, not regular members, a person that had a banned handle comes on with a new one, then the mods obviously know who it is and by letting them continue on the board with that different handle means that the mods had to have approved it, right? The bad part about it when another member who gets off bringing up past drama to make it current, then that is another issue altogether, called an an agenda, and the only one that I see with an agenda against a particular member has nothing to base that agenda on, since no nuclear rule was done against his handle.

If you take what is said on a whore board as gospel, then you deserve what you get. Honestly, who would say they broke a nuclear rule to the site without a motivation for doing so behind it? If it were me and I wanted to out someone, then I would just do it, and would not post that I did as I know what the result would be. But saying that they would do it to get their handle banned, is not too bright due the result that would happen, although if that person wanted it to happen so that maybe after some time, he could later come back anew with another handle, dunno, just a guess.

Yes, if someone is an ass to people, then that is not against site rules, so someone can guest their old handle and hopefully start anew, wanna guess what their first post may have been when they came back? Could it be something to the effect, long time lurker, first time poster? And speaking of liars, that of course, would be a lie in their first post with that handle! However, if that person is still an ass after some time off, it is not hard to connect the two handles, but no can do it publicly or privately in a forum on this site.

Just like the gif you say you like, maybe if someone did what it said, then they would not have had to guest their handle and not post for months, something that broke their heart, and have to come back on with a new handle and even tho that person has mod protection from others connecting their handles, still having to be careful about not doing it himself.

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Sorry, lost access to the site. Need to correct something. My last comment should have been Are they lying now or were they lying then?



Also, if someone who was banned for breaking a nuclear rule is allowed to come back or found to be a new handle and allowed to remain, they should be made to do so under their old handle. That way, their history is out in the open for anyone who wishes to learn it. They can either live up to their old reputation or given time and effort, may be able to gain some credibility once again by being good community members

Yes, this site has issues today.

That would be great, except you are forgetting one thing.........Let's say a member is let back on board, does reviews, makes comments, provides intel, ect. and wants to be good in the community, but when another member solely and unilaterally keeps beating that dead horse, hijacking just about every thread that member posts on to try his utmost to keep his agenda relevant, then it is hard to do, but that is goal of that agenda, right? That obsession is so bad that that the member even opens up a thread about that member he has an agenda against, to which most other members on that thread said to move on, and there is even a post or two in this very thread about the same thing of moving on. Speculating of course, I wonder if any can name a member who does this type of activity, which, BTW is also against the rules you seem to harp on as deadly sins to violate.

[blowmypop23]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

So let me get this right. Even if someone admits to violations, say, multiple handles, or we can read their very own words about, say, outing someone, we should not just believe them? That they might they lying about what they have admitted to? Interesting. Why would they do that?

Dude, it took me all of 5 minutes to figure out who you are, that's how transparent you are. Now you can follow David around all day outing a former handle and apparently that's ok I guess. Now you have a whole lot more haters then he has or ever will so since it's ok should I just call you by your old handle and link all your corrupt bs that you did over the years?

How about I call up 30 of my closest Eccles buds from around tx and the U.S. And have them cyber stalk you for the next year calling out all your past fuck ups. Multiple handles is a problem of yours. You've had multiple handles. I don't even see that your old handle is disabled plus you've created handles just to rip threads.

Outing people is an issue for you- well you continue to out David and I'm sure he isn't the only one. Mods can I please get a ruling on if it's ok to continue to call out David's old handles if I can call out obsg's old handles and link his old posts and all the hating on him threads.

I'm guessing you changed your handle because of how bad you were and how many haters you have so its a little pot kettle for you to continue to have such a hard on for David after all these years.

What do you think? Wanna play?

[oldbutstillgoing]

Don't know what your problems are my friend, but do keep in mind no one is outing davids old handles . After years of lying about them, he admitted to them awhile back. Its now public knowledge.

[Boltfan]

Just so you know blowmypop, there are board approved ways to change a handle, and deceitful ways.

Not defending OBSG as his comments are getting old...

But Ole David did it the wrong way. His old handle was banned and he attempted to come back under multiple handles to circumvent said ban. Why he was banned has been repeated multiple times in open forum and is a cowardly way to handle things.

That being said, any protections a member may receive due to changing their handle the right way can certainly be passed over if said member makes the connection themselves through their actions.

An occasional reminder is necessary for the good of the community as to when a member is deceitful but this has gone way too far.

[Guest110416]

Actually BF, it is right where you have been wanting it for years, fresh and at the top of the drama list on Eccie maybe attempting to scare away potential providers that you hope do not contact references but are dumb enough to just believe what they read on a whore board. You two have carried this torch for years. Trouble is, no one else joins in on your little game because you are right about it being old and beating that dead horse, and no one but the two of you harps on it, not occasionally, but ALL the time, every chance you get every day and for years. Just about every post made, there is one if not the both of you underneath it in the same thread, hijacking it to steer towards that well know agenda.

[Boltfan]

Sorry you have difficulty owning your actions. That's on you man.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by davidfree986

You and OBSG have carried the same torch for years. You are right about it being old and beating that dead horse, and no one but the two of you harps on it, not occasionally, but ALL the time, every chance you get. Just about every post made, there is one if not the both of you underneath it in the same thread, hijacking it to steer towards that well know agenda.

yup.. how many times have you said "and my Stalker will post shortly.. 1, 2, 3", or words to that effect, and sure enough OBSG posts right on cue, oblivious to the unintended comedy he creates.. except that it's no longer funny, it's obsessive.. I want to nickname OBSG "obsessed G".. we've all read the same God Damn tale for many months, if David was guilty of everything you say or insinuate, it would be dwarfed by your compulsion to re-address it at every turn.. don't you get tired of typing it over and over? if not, why not?

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Boltfan

Sorry you have difficulty owning your actions. That's on you man.

I think he has, but why are you so obsessed with the subject?

[Boltfan]

His own posts on this thread indicate he hasnt.

And to answer your question, because people who resort to the actions he does deserve no reprieve when they attempt to change history. He continues to do so as of this day, so I continue to point out the past.