The new economy and the $80 escort (or "business is not slow")

[gimme_that]

wow just wow.

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by still-asleep

my dad never tried to teach me about how to get into a girl's pants for little effort or money.. lol Do parents really teach their kids that?

LOL yea, they did. Or maybe it was just part of the Italian culture *shrug*

I just know my dad taught my brother how to get it, and taught me what to look for and how to not give it up lol

[RoDunn]

Originally Posted by hotlips_houlihan

Actually, my whole response was in reference to the original post-which was about cheap pussy, was it not? Not sure about you southerners, but up yonder in my days of growing up-you know, back in the dinosaur era-dads taught their sons to get what they can for as little effort and/or money as possible when it came to gettin in a girl's pants. I mean, as a young guy, didn't you go after the easy lay/school slut versus the one you had to wine and dine when you wanted to get off? But ok, you are right, I am wrong. You win. Now go back to sleep.

p.s. Sorry, the "tone" comment was not meant for "you" it was in reference to whatshisface.

My dad never taught me anything like this. My parents taught me to respect women. I am sure the same is true of many men who see providers. Although I treat the providers I see with respect, I'm sure my parents would be greatly disappointed in me.

All I will say about the larger issue of this tread is that like many other guys, I search for high-quality experiences. Price is secondary. So I see ladies at a wide variety of price points, and have no interest in haggling them. Again, I am sure their are others just like me. We just don't post that often, especially in these types of rate threads.

If I do feel like a lady's rate isn't in line with the overall experience I'm seeking, I just don't see her.

I can imagine that it's frustrating for ladies to see threads like this, but please try not to make blanket statements about our parents.

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by RoDunn

but please try not to make blanket statements about our parents.

You are right. I guess I should have said "what I grew up around." So my apologies on that. But I figured when I said "my days of growing up" that was understood.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by RoDunn

My dad never taught me anything like this. My parents taught me to respect women. I am sure the same is true of many men who see providers. Although I treat the providers I see with respect, I'm sure my parents would be greatly disappointed in me.

All I will say about the larger issue of this tread is that like many other guys, I search for high-quality experiences. Price is secondary. So I see ladies at a wide variety of price points, and have no interest in haggling them. Again, I am sure their are others just like me. We just don't post that often, especially in these types of rate threads.

If I do feel like a lady's rate isn't in line with the overall experience I'm seeking, I just don't see her.

I can imagine that it's frustrating for ladies to see threads like this, but please try not to make blanket statements about our parents.

I respect men like you. Very well said.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by still-asleep

I showed your quote where you generalized about guys learning that as we grew up. That statement had nothing to do with getting pussy for cheaper. It was just saying guys learn at an early age to try to get what they can for as little as they can. when lazarus responded to that, you changed it back to being about the specific topic from before, when your earlier statement there was clearly NOT.... unless you are trying to say that guys learn from their parents to get pussy as cheap as they can. I don't really care about what "tone" you choose to express. The sentence I quoted from you was clear enough for me.

Exactly. I don't see the appeal in fucking $80 pussy. I mean really? Well ladies, let this thread be a screening tool. Just saying.

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[TheDuck]

Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

Like my Uncle Lee told me many moons ago "if you could make a pair of shoes out of one you could wear them a lifetime."

hmmm.....pussy shoes.....now THAT'S a picture stuck in my mind!

[slims099]

Thib, you never mentioned who these hot 19 yo's were you are banging for 80$????????????????????????

[LovingKayla]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Really? Hot 19yo to 25yo girls with firm bodies that love the sex, but they only charge $80 to $100?

And they hide that fact from all the rest of us, but they let you in on the good deal because you're ... what? Special?

I've seen this recycled line of bullshit on this and other boards too many times to count.

It gets re-posted from time to time by the more desperate and/or unscrupulous hobbyists to (I guess) panic some of the more gullible providers into thinking they have to slash prices to get more business.

If providers really fell for this scam, it would be great for hobbyists. But the providers would just end up making less money while seeing only slightly more clients.

Some percentage of the male population is not interested in hobbying at all, primarily because they are already getting it for free from wives and girlfriends. They won't be swayed by price, because they just aren't interested, period.

Among the percentage of men that are hobbyists, the major limiting factor for all sessions is not price, but the ability of hobbyists to get away from work and/or the family to see a provider. And in this economy, hobbyists are working harder than ever to avoid getting laid off, to supplement their reduced salaries, etc. In other words, employed hobbyists have even less time to play around than before.

If providers cut their prices in half, that does not mean that hobbyists would suddenly have twice as much free time to sneak out and see the providers, does it?

And unemployed hobbyists don't have any money to spend on the hobby, period.

Hobby money is discretionary spending money, just like spending on basketball tickets, movies, beer. And when times are hard, discretionary spending is the first thing that gets trimmed, both for the employed, the under-employed and the unemployed.

So, in your fantasy scenario, a hot-but-gullible provider cuts her rate from $300 to $100. The likely result is that each regular hobbyist that sees her once a month (i.e., $300/month) may now see her maybe 3 times in a 2 month period (i.e., $150/month) and she gets maybe one new, once-a-month bargain hunter for each regular (i.e., another $100/month). That means she is now doing 2 and a half sessions per month for $250 in place of one session for $300. That's great for the hobbyist. How does that help the provider?

I don't doubt for a second there are $80 hookers out there. But they aren't hot by any reasonable definition of that term. For $80, you get a horrid-looking meth addict that will rob you if you turn your back.

Show me the $80 escort that looks like she could be on the cover of Maxim, then we can talk.

Hell, just show me the Hooters or Twin Peaks waitress that will fuck you for $80, then we can talk.

If the ladies cut their rates to $100 per session, they will find themselves working harder for less total money. And when they complain about it, I guarantee another hobbyist will jump in and say "Well, if you just cut your rate to $40 an hour...."

Thank you and good night!

Damn that about sums it up for me too. I saw the OP post and just giggled and rolled my eyes. What I love about this is the fact this tactic has been used to death. It's even made it into a couple hobby books. I can't remember right this second what they are. Yall feel free to look em up. I would argue YOUR model doesn't work there buddy.


The other issue you run into posting that here: the quality women that actually READ and keep up just put a black mark by your name and move on. It hurts you as a hobbyist more than it scares any of us. Last week was the second best week I've had in the last 3 quarters. Way cool.

I'll tell you ladies what, anyone that was ruffled by the OP's post please PM me and I will give you some free business advice to help you if you are slow. You do not need to lower your rates to accommodate .03% of the population that is trying to manipulate you. There are thousands of really wonderful guys out there that are looking specifically for YOU. You are a work of art and are worth more than what he is trying to imply.


Create a fantastic week!

[LazurusLong]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

The other issue you run into posting that here: the quality women that actually READ and keep up just put a black mark by your name and move on. It hurts you as a hobbyist more than it scares any of us.

Really?

Ladies keep track of handles with black marks?

Isn't that assuming that this member actually has to disclose his handle to an escort before they have more than a handle?

I know that the ladies are allowed to violate Board rules by posting complete real names and complete phone numbers and complete P411 identifiers in the Powder Puff area and that's fine but that's also why many members on here don't provide handles to the ladies.

Do you honestly think the types of girls he is talking about, the civilian friends of strippers, even know what a handle is? Or if he plays it straight and isn't trying to be a Big Doggy, that stripper will never know he is in or around a hooker board.

Know the name Logan? Mr streetwalker? It'd probably piss off most of the ECCIE verified providers he sees if they knew his handle so let's not go high and mighty and act like the ECCIE providers are gonna put a black mark on his name.

When an Eccie provider's phone is about to get cut off, she just might send him a PM and see if he has $80 to come play and never mention it.

[MaxiMilyen]

Haven't posted much or read many threads lately, but glad to see price control is still in the forefront of thoughts....LOL

warm, wet, and worn out subcontractor hole = $80
Experience, reputation, safety, relaxing and an experience to remember with a lady who is the "real deal" = much much more than $80

The $80 subcontractor will sooner, rather than later, either catch on or opt out. Even "managers" can understand that over using the goods for next to nothing leads to them having to find fresh "faces" more often than they'd like. I can't imagine many independent subcontractors being unable to figure this out.

It ain't rocket science, ya'll...'-)

[hotlips_houlihan]

I know that the ladies are allowed to violate Board rules by posting complete real names and complete phone numbers and complete P411 identifiers in the Powder Puff area

Ummm not quite sure where that information came from but that is a false statement.

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by Brass Balls

I think it is a classic case of supply and demand economics. What is something worth? Whatever someone will pay. You see new cars from $20K to over $100K because people will pay. If no one paid $100K for a car there wouldn't be any on the market. In this case if there are people willing to pay $300 then the free market system is working. For me, I have X income minus Y obligations plus Z occasionally watching over me so a $300 session probably just isn't going to happen.

Over the years I've had a few high end encounters ($$$) and to be honest most weren't that great. But, same for the low end encounters ($), quite a few left me wanting for more. But certainly not all.

So we just have to let the system work. The ladies can charge what they want and as long as guys pay it everyone wins. If they ask too much the system will let them know. Too little and time to hire a scheduler and install a revolving door. For me I have a range I can be within and that's my economics.

My vote for best post in the thread. No attacks on anybody, realistic, no unqualified generalizations, well done BB. Bravo.

The thread itself doesn't accomplish much, price has to be evaluated continuously in any market but is ultimately a decision shared by the vendor and the customer.

While it obviously tweaked the feelings of some of the ladies, I'm disappointed to see the slamming of other providers who also have a right to set their prices, and those who see them. Talking down a competitor or the customers who do business with them, especially, in print, in a public forum, doesn't work out well in any industry, IMO.

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

While it obviously tweaked the feelings of some of the ladies, I'm disappointed to see the slamming of other providers who also have a right to set their prices, and those who see them.

You know what, you are absolutely right. I guess I really didn't look at it from that point of view. So I offer my apologies to any ladies who fall into this pricing structure that I may have offended. WALDT and we do what fits ourselves best. Although I may not agree with certain things, I know for others it probably works well. But for the record, I was tweaked at the OP for trying to pull a fast one-not the ladies in the fast lane. So I bow down to your level of common sense and thank you for always keeping me grounded.

Meg