What are we looking for on ECCIE?

[guest040711-1]

Originally Posted by FatManHobbyist

Ah, I knew my testicles would come into play here. My positive reviews stand as an endorsement of the provider. I am under no obligation nor compensated to deal with the retribution of an angry provider. My life is not all about seeing prostitutes. I am not interested in having them 'get even'.

For the peace of this board, how about you and TRJR just stay off my ass. You banned me from ASPD, just quit while you are ahead. No need to attack me here.

FMH
Please forward me the link to where TRJR harassed you on eccie? I can't even find his membership here?

I think cpi was not "over the line" in his response.

[chipper]

Trying to bring this back to the original questions.

What do I want from ECCIE?
I want a place where I can go to read and talk about the "Hobby". I want it to be friendly and accepting of different ideas. I don't need or want everyone to agree with everything I say. I want a place where I can be myself and not have to put on a false face. I am getting this right now. I am only interested in the immediate market. I am retired so I do not "Hobby" out of town any more. That is not true for all of you and I respect that.

Where do I want ECCIE to go?
I do not have any preconcieved direction that I would like to see ECCIE take. I am sure that the membership will take it in the direction that they want it to go.

What Changes would I like to see at ECCIE?
I would like to make the Review site so that when you put the Ladies name in the general information would fill in automatically. This would shorten the time needed to write a review.
I would like the Ladies ads to have certain information required before the ad could post. There are too many opportunities for me to take the time to look for Pictures, phone numbers or other items that I need to make an appointment with the Lady. They should have all the information that I need in the ad.

I would like to see a basic contribution system in place. If you go for 3 years and have not contributed anything to the site I don't think we need you any more. I personally think that every "Hobbyist" should have to post a certain numbers of reviews each year. If you are not seeing the Ladies you do not need to be here. if you are only taking information from the site and not giving any information back, I don't think we need you. Reviews are expensive, cost of the visit plus time to write it, and I don't think that Lurkers should have all the good information for free.

I hope and expect to have a long and enjoyable time here at ECCIE. Yes, there are other sites where I can get some of the same information and discussions. Some of it will be the same and some of it will be different. These other sites are run and owned by different people. I notice that the Mods take a lot of flack for doing what the owners want. If they don't do their job they will be replaced. I am sure that at some time in the future ECCIE will have some rules that we don't have now and I am sure that there will be those that enjoy pushing the boundaries. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. I have not been bothered or cautioned by any mod on any board when I have been respectful of the people and the rules.

These my personal thoughts. I know that a lot of you will disagree and that is fine with me.

[LatexLover]

Originally Posted by latexlover39

I was wondering why there is no alternative lifestyle forum on this board. Some of us do have a small Fetish streak in us but there is no appropriate place for a provider or hobbyist to post on this subject. I wonder if that was intentioned by the owner or if it was just an oversight. I know that it would mirror the other board that much more but historically, giving your customer what they want and appealing to as many demographics as possible will boost your business.

Any of you moderators have any thoughts on this idea?

[chipper]

It is not my thing, and i wouldn't want to moderate it, but I certainly don't object to having the forum on ECCIE.

[Guest030911]

Originally Posted by FatManHobbyist

Ah, I knew my testicles would come into play here. My positive reviews stand as an endorsement of the provider. I am under no obligation nor compensated to deal with the retribution of an angry provider. My life is not all about seeing prostitutes. I am not interested in having them 'get even'.

For the peace of this board, how about you and TRJR just stay off my ass. ....

I apologize for the crudeness of the comment, but not it's intent.

The point being is that that the review system works because both the positive and negative aspects of an encounter are reported. Is it fair to reap the benefits of your brothers courage while letting him slide under the bus because you are afraid to tell the truth?

The review system works only if the members cooperate. It works if many members participate in it. We can label them WK's or BK's and make judgments about what they post. The review system works because the more participation there is, the better of an overview of a providers looks, skills, and business practices are obtained. Greater participation also weeds out those with agenda to influence a providers reviews. However, it takes honesty and courage to do so.

Why I couldn't say that before instead of making a dickhead comment, I dunno. Sometimes I am not as patient about what is obvious to me and I forget that others are newer to Internet hobbying than myself.

I will try to be less terse in the future to you, FMH.

[Chevalier]

Originally Posted by cpi3000

Is it fair to reap the benefits of your brothers courage while letting him slide under the bus because you are afraid to tell the truth?

We make a bargain of sorts with one another. We will make some sacrifices ourselves -- whether of time and effort to provide information, or $$$ to keep a site operating (where pay versus contribute by reviewing is an option), or suffering the slings and arrows of minor harassment -- for our brethren's benefit, because we also receive benefits from similar sacrifices by those same brethren.

But . . .

At some point, there may be a limit to the sacrifice it is reasonable for the community to expect. I don't mind (too much) an angry email from a lady. Been there, done that, the scars faded long ago, willing to do it again if need be. But I can't be expected to act in the community's behalf if there were a serious risk of being outed to my family and employer.

That's what the argument is really about. It's about where you draw the line. The extremes are the easy answers. Most of us are willing to put up with some very mild discomfort, and expect the same from others. Most of us wouldn't make heroic sacrifices, and don't expect that from others either. But in between the extremes, many of us draw the line at different places. Particularly in an uncertain environment and with a lot to risk, there is sometimes a tendency to be overly cautious. As long as we don't expect others to sacrifice (on our behalf) more than we are willing to sacrifice (on their behalf), though, it's primarily an issue where reasonable minds may disagree.

And when it's a question of line-drawing, rather than simple yes/no questions, it may be a good idea to be particularly careful/respectful about discussing it in the abstract.

Or not.

[guest040711-1]

I still adhere to the policy of stating the facts (IMO) and expecting the same from others as far as reviews go. I've fortunately had more positive hunts than negative ones, but when I've had a bad experience I've manned up and written my experience to the best of my ability to describe it and remain civil.

The other site that I moderate has the same policy on reviews, a provider may start a thread in discussions to tell her side of the story, as we all know there are two ways of looking at something if two individuals are involved. However the reply is not allowed as a "venom" spill or an agenda, the same standard is applied to the review. FYI the site also does not allow ANY comment on reviews, all reviews are stand alone telling of the reviewers experience with the provider.

[LatexLover]

Originally Posted by SP Hunter

FYI the site also does not allow ANY comment on reviews, all reviews are stand alone telling of the reviewers experience with the provider.

I think the ability to comment on a review on this board is a big plus for ECCIE. I also agree that we should maintain a civil tone while reviewing the ladies. Personal attacks tend to take away from the credibility of the review, for me anyway.

[foX]

During the time ASPD was down, I had a beer with about a dozen hobby friends. Everyone was disgusted that it was taking so long to fix, and invariably such a discussion led us to postulate, "We should start our own board." After a bit of frank discussion, each of us to the man reached the conclusion that we'd like an alternative, but the risks, baggage, and trouble of actually taking on such a task was unanimously deemed a poor plan at best.

Then, out of the blue, T-Bone and Becky start ECCIE. For now at least, this is a smaller, friendlier site with far fewer members and thus far fewer opportunities for mischief, but gradually that will change because ECCIE will grow. For now, I am pretty happy with how ECCIE differentiates itself from other boards, primarily in two ways

1--The Ownership is active and both owners are active in the hobby and are honest, hardworking people of fine character who have and exhibit real integrity. I’m not sure there is a board in the country that can really say that.

2--Technologically ECCIE is superior to most of the escort boards in the country. They are using up to date software and hardware and it makes navigating and posting here a real pleasure.

Other differences will evolve as those primary ones listed above shape this board as it grows. I am happy that T-Bone and Becky are satisfied to let the board emerge and take shape organically and in its own time. This is a luxury, not a deficiency. The spirit that the Owners embodied when they created this enterprise is one of cooperation and the belief that good begets good, and that other boards are not the enemy.

This thread asks what we want from ECCIE. But a question we should each ask ourselves is why we are really here. I submit that the best reason to be here is because this is a positive place created with positive energy and optimism about the hobby and the human race. Don’t be here because you hate another board or the people on it..... be here because you like this board and the people here.

We have become a society of politically correct, oversensitive victims. Everything is an affront to our dignity and our high and mighty pride. It should not be so here. We are a board of hookers and johns, and if that does not humble you into being tolerant of your fellow board member, then there is no hope for you.

As T-Bone alluded to, this is not a sprint, it is a marathon. This is the beginning of what I hope is a long ride. It is great to hear everyone’s ideas on how to make this a better place, but let’s not forget that it is a better place already, and keeping it that way might require everyone to be a little more tolerant and a little less sensitive.

[Guest030911]

Originally Posted by foX

1--The Ownership is active and both owners are active in the hobby and are honest, hardworking people of fine character who have and exhibit real integrity. I’m not sure there is a board in the country that can really say that.

2--Technologically ECCIE is superior to most of the escort boards in the country. They are using up to date software and hardware and it makes navigating and posting here a real pleasure.
.....

Precisely why have chosen to participate and support this site. I would also add that the same applies to the mod staff here. We may have cut our teeth on another board, but we have the freedom of choice. It is the ownership and staff that attracted me to come here and not other places.

Originally Posted by foX

We are a board of hookers and johns, and if that does not humble you into being tolerant of your fellow board member, then there is no hope for you.
.....

Are you trying to bust my delusions of grandeur?

[guest123009]

Fox, I am guessing that you are referring to me when you write about "oversensitive". I have already had a PM conversation with SP Hunter where he concurs with you. If I feel that CPI's remark was more of a slam against me that actually putting forth his opinion and you feel I am just being too sensitive than we will just have to disagree.

However, you are part of the leadership that sets the rules, and more importantly, the personality of a forum. It is not up to ECCIE to conform to my standards, but rather for me to conform to its standards if I want to be a member. I will defer to your judgment and modify my participation and behavior accordingly.

[ControlFreak]

I have been a member of the sister board since 2000 it will be 9 years in a couple of months. I am not going to bad mouth them in any way and I am sure T-Bone and Becky are not looking for that. I will say some positive and negative things about both boards. This board is much friendlier than the other board is currently. That has changed because of growth and not limiting peoples comments. I personally agree with that concept. I have become unhappy because the current group of hobbyist are way too quick to criticizes, label, attack in general unmercifully. I think the mods have attempted to control this with suspensions. FMH I really don’t know what their problem was with you, so do not take this personal. I do know it is difficult sometimes to understand other peoples reasoning. I also know one time I made a post to a review or thread of someone and my telephone blew up with the provider, her pimp, their friends and so on. I had the providers number programmed into my phone, so I figured it out real quick and didn’t answer it. The next morning when I got up a moderator had sent me an email to alert me about their phone blowing up also. Now what was accomplished by this, I understood the moderators were covering my back, I knew I never would see said provider or any of her friends. This was truly appreciated by me.

Back to the tread question, how to make ECCIE grow? It will grow on its own but we can improve the growth by talking to fellow hobbyists and providers and get them to join. If we all make a concentrated effort and set goals to add two people each times 1000, that means we can grow by 2000 next month, The same thing the following month 2 people each now we add 4000. In three months you can be at 7000 members. It is a numbers game. I believe this is a good board that has grown well in its infancy, but it needs all of us to help it to continue to grow. There is strength in numbers. I know, I have had 4 providers join this month. If the providers advertise here, the guys will come. We should not worry about any other boards but ours. They all including us have our own problems. We need to continue to differentiate but honestly I think we already have by providing a much better website with better technology. It is an easy sell to providers because it gives them a second add per week free. This isn’t rocket science we need to market ECCIE, We need a grass roots approach. We can provide advice for new providers to stay out of trouble & etc.

The charge for this advice is what it is worth $.00

[Matador]

Let me start by saying that I realize a lot of you here have a hell of a lot more experience in many areas than I do. After attending the last social I have come to the conclusion that I am still green, and have much to live and learn. I promise that I will take it one day at a time, and hope that I can enjoy this adventure as much as some of you have.

Now that you have a small glimpse of my disadvantage, you can make a call on how you want to take this post, and whether its content deserves any consideration or not.

First thing that I am going to do is get rid of the political correctness that many people adhere to in order to not offend others. I think it is important to say what needs to be said without sugar coating anything. If you like things to be appropriate and overly respectful, do not read past the first image. I assure you I will not use this tone too often. Thanks for understanding.



I want to thank Go4it for caring enough about this new site, so much so that he took the time to think long term and posted the question so that everyone could have some input. To me that shows me a member who is willing to ask how he can help and get actively involved; many others will choose to stand by and reap the benefits of the labor of others. There isn’t much that can be done to motivate others to get actively involved, except for maybe keeping a welcoming attitude. The owners and staff are already doing that so, all we can do in that regard is be patient and thankful for whatever results we may get.

After thanking Go4it, I thought about addressing some of the issues that came up unrelated to the original thread, but in reconsidering the possibilities I have decided against it.

What I would really like to ask is this: Why are we calling ASPD the ”sister board”? I know what foX is saying about other boards not being the enemies, but you still want to keep the goals in sight. I have no formal business background but I know a site like this wants to make their numbers grow and then be able to keep them coming back. So would it be too much to ask that we grow some cojones and stop calling ASPD our sister board?**Ladies, you’ll have to use your imagination or your memories**. Let’s acknowledge that the other boards are our competitors. That doesn’t make them enemies of this community. The sooner we decide to own that fact, the more able that we will be to make this place the new standard-bearer for escort information.

Please understand I still like ASPD a lot better than ECCIE. I say this because I need to be truthful and not with the intent to rub anyone the wrong way. I have been lurking on that site for maybe 9 years and a member a little over 8 years. During all those years, the information on that site has led me to many wonderful encounters so I am very pleased with them. I am sure the more information ( reviews ) that ECCIE accumulates, the more I am going to like it. I am also aware that I need to do my part. That is the one reason I like ASPD a lot better: because it has a lot more information.

As far as rules, policies and user agreements, they are found on every site so bitching about stuff like that is a waste of time on trivial things. Every internet social network is a democracy to a degree. They all do what they can to make members feel welcome; they need to do that to keep everyone coming back for more. If you keep your eyes open and choose to see high enough, they are all monarchies. Escort boards are not different and we happen to have a queen and a king in ECCIE.

What is this board about: It’s about two elements that need one another.



The next question here then is what can the pussies and cocks find here that is different from other boards? And my answer is I don’t have a clue. At the last social I met this hot blonde-haired girl, and she mentioned she was on several sites. I am a member of two sites and have turned down invitations to other sites. What that means is that I am completely ignorant on what is offered on the other sites.

Without that knowledge I won’t be asking if you would consider one feature or another. What I will do however is share with you how I would change at least some part of it.

Filling myself with all the arrogance that I can muster, here is my approach.

Taking into consideration that the site is in its infancy, I would ignore the forums that deal with general topics and focus on the review forums. Out of all the review forums, The Independent Providers Reviews would be the one where I would make the changes first. If the changes got a positive reception from the cocks and the pussies then I would make sure it gets implemented to the other review forums.

Bridging the gap between internet technologies and its users.

I will admit that I am a technophile. I don’t tend to go for fads. I have a preference for things that I can control and interact with a little more. Case in point, I just ordered a pen tablet. I was going to buy me a toy, and it was either going o be a Blackberry Bold or the pen tablet. The pen tablet won

http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Intuos4-...dp/B001TUYTZW/

I am not an artist so don’t ask. I do keep up with technology changes as much as I can but see others not being so adept. I am simply using this to illustrate something that I see happen all the time. People have sometimes difficulty using some internet technologies. The fast pace at which things change makes it very difficult for a lot of users to take advantage of the many things that are available. My goal here would be to make the review form as user friendly as possible with multi-media content.

My first step would be to contact my hosting company. I would see if I could get another site hosted with them. This site would be dedicated to multimedia only content. Digital images, flash content, etc. If that was not feasible, I would consider contacting sites like:

http://www.imagecoast.com/

http://www.villagephotos.com/

My intention here would be to establish a corporate account with them.

Once I had that handled, I would sit with my programmer and ask him/her to do the following:

Change the features for the registered providers.

**Allow anywhere between 3-5 photographs to be added to the ladies profiles. They should be a standardized size so that the file sizes would be uniform throughout. Also, the pictures should be in good taste, so no beaver shots allowed.

**Have their reviews linked to their profiles just like TER does. If a provider is not registered here, let the system create an ID once she gets reviewed the first time. This would require the moderators to be involved in making sure not two IDs are created for the same provider.

**Every seven days, or when the provider visits the site again, have the system automatically prompt the ladies to verify that their website address, their email, phone number, are still correct. This would make sure that things are current.

**Allow the provider to be able to see who the top viewers are for her ads, her profile and reviews. This will allow her to identify potential clients, and also possibly stalkers. Let’s remember that the large majority is silent. This could be a good tool for the lady to market herself.


When a john writes a review:

**As soon as he clicks on the new review thread, a box pops up asking him to choose a provider ID/Profile. He can’t get confused with the similar names because once he clicks on a profile, the pictures of the ladies are shown to him. If the wrong profile had been selected, there should be a button to choose a different profile that takes him back to the selections.

**All the contact information that the lady updates or verifies it is correct every seven days, should be automated to fill in the corresponding fields. Say goodbye to the poor contact info. You now have an efficient and simple way to get the information right every time.

**In the section where the physical description goes, the images of the ladies should load automatically. Also any vital stats from her profile get loaded in this section. The input from the reviewer at this point is simply to state if the stats seem right to him or not.

**Rating the images for accuracy. There should be a scale of 1-5 stars available to rate how accurate the images are to the real person. The reviewer would be required to rate the accuracy of the pictures. Only those who review are allowed to rate the accuracy of the images, no exceptions. No one lady should need to give up her privacy. The simple requirement here would be that whatever they choose to show, that it be an image of them, even if it is partial. Any image that drops below a 3 ½ stars rating after 5-7 reviews should be considered not-up-to-standard, and the system should automatically ask the lady to replace it with a different one.

**After the reviewer is done rating the images, he would have to give his opinion on which image he liked the best and in 50 words or less explain why. This part would be for stats purposes for the provider only. She would get automated feedback on what works for her on the board. It would help her decide on what is more popular and what to do on her next photo shoot.

**Expiration date on uploaded images. There should be a limit as to how long images are used for the profile and reviews. My best guess here is 120 days but that is only my opinion. This part is obviously open to debate. After the lifespan of the images had expired, some kind of warning sign would display.



**Any reviewer that wants to add extra images can do so in the Rest of the Story section. Here is where more revealing images may be posted.

How would one image look to a person reading a review? I have taken the freedom to use the image of one of our lovelies here and added content mainly to illustrate.



In the case above, it shows a bar that represents the lifespan of the image and how long ago it was uploaded. At the bottom, it shows the picture as being accurate, with a 5 star rating average after 27 reviews.

If this can be accomplished, the reviews would answer some of those pesky questions that get asked over and over at the other site.

This probably would not go over well but I would BAN the use of the acronym GFE or any of its variants when listing activities. The same goes for the PSE term. I have seen too many times when reviews get side-tracked with people discussing the triviality and inaccuracy of these two terms when it should be the lady that they should be talking about.

Put some activities in place for the ladies to earn the free hosting of the images. If they won’t do them, charge them a small fee for it or do charge the members here who only lurk, a membership fee for Premium access. One of the activities I would ask the ladies to do is to get some of their customers to join here and write a review for them. Have several levels they can achieve here by the number of members they refer to ECCIE. The higher the perks the more features available to their disposal. I would ask the three ladies here who are part of the staff on what they think might be important to all the ladies.

While I would allow the free exchange of information, I would moderate the negative replies posted to the ladies’ reviews. This has nothing to do with being a white knight. If a john here writes a positive review of a provider, anyone who disagrees with the assessment because of a different experience better get busy writing a full review himself. There are few things that irritate me more, than to see someone being lazy and making all kinds of excuses not to write a review. Later on when they see a positive review of the same provider all they do is bash the reviewer and the provider. This kind of attitude does a great disservice to everyone. A negative review needs to be written to make this place effective. If someone wishes to post a negative reply to a positive review, it should be required that they post a link to the review they wrote of same provider at the bottom of their post.

End of my business plan. I would go after that in full force.

If you read all my nonsense, you need to get a life just as well as me. I am done ranting and I am releasing all the arrogance at this time.

Peace everyone,

Matador

[Go4it]

Anyone read all that? LOL - learn one thing Matador, post in small doses.

[guest123009]

I read it all. Good work, Matador.