How many people will die in the USA from the new coronavirus by December 31, 2021??

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

is that before or after they get their covid death stipend?

Actually is verified before any payout occurs. And hospitals get money for services provided, not deaths.

[winn dixie]

bullshit
go in and have earache its covid go in have hemohroids its covid bullshit hospitals and drs getting rich from diagnosing wuhan sniffles

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

bullshit
go in and have earache its covid go in have hemohroids its covid bullshit hospitals and drs getting rich from diagnosing wuhan sniffles

You are full of shit as usual.

[royamcr]

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/se20015.pdf

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by royamcr

You are full of shit as usual.

sex change its the freakin wuhan bahahahahahhahahaha lolling and i sad so

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

When one receives supplemental income and tax break/credits for reporting certain "facts" based on the number of "facts" reported, then there is a motivation to "over" report the "facts" particularly when the reporting party has control of the documentation to substantiate the "facts" reported.

There is a distinctive scientific/medical difference between dying OF Covid (or any disease/illness) and dying while having been tested "positive" for Covid (or any disease/illness).

Now ... one of the physician-scientist-experts posting on Eccie .. please list the physical parts of the body that Covid attacks to result in the death of any given person. Thank you!

That academic exercise is similar to the medical examiner rendering an opinion as to "the manner" of death as opposed to a physician rendering an opinon as to "the cause" of death. There is a distinction with a difference. A critical difference.

Another completely different topic:

"Omicron" .... the CommunistSocialistDNC newly created "PANDEMIC" to justify controlled elections.

I heard a report just the other day that a person died of it in Houston! Died of "Omicron"!!!!

That will be a "scientifc-medical" historical event .... someone died of a sore-throad.

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Is determination always an opinion?

Originally Posted by LexusLover

What are you babbling about?

I ask a five word question, and I'm babbling? You mention a supposéd report and you go on about a "soar-throad", but I'm babbling.


I thought the red was the most important part of your post. I guess you didn't.

A medical examiner is a physician.

Are determinations just opinions? Or medical facts? Are

[bambino]

��BREAKING NEWS

UK Government admit that the vaccines have damaged the natural immune systems of the double jabbed.

The British government has spilled the beans about that fact that once you get double jabbed, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity against Covid variants - or possibly any virus.

So let’s watch the ‘real’ pandemic begin now!

In its Week 42 “COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report,” the U.K. Health Security Agency admitted on page 23 that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” It goes on to explain that this antibody drop is basically permanent.

What’s this mean?
We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).

What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

In the long term, people who take the vaccine will be far more vulnerable to any mutations in the spike protein that might come along, even if they have already been infected and recovered once, or more than once.

The unvaccinated, meanwhile, will procure lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being infected with it naturally even just once.

Read it for yourself.. Page 24.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

[bambino]

ALL IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS...

- Omicron enters the scene.

- Globalists panic and threaten Dark Winter.

- Omicron sweeps through the world before they can shut everything down.

- Army announces a super vaccine effective against all Covid variants, coronaviruses and SARS.

- Biden admits failure and says there is no federal solution to Covid.

- CNN claims masks are useless.

- Quarantine time cut in half from 10 days to 5 days.

- PCR tests are labeled unreliable by CDC.

- Fauci admits that the majority of children in the hospital aren't there because of covid, they just happen to test positive while there for other reasons.

Talk about a narrative shift...

[royamcr]

Jesus fucking christ you dumbfuck, the jabs don't give you AIDS. That is what the claim is, fucking retards.

Originally Posted by bambino

��BREAKING NEWS

UK Government admit that the vaccines have damaged the natural immune systems of the double jabbed.

The British government has spilled the beans about that fact that once you get double jabbed, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity against Covid variants - or possibly any virus.

So let’s watch the ‘real’ pandemic begin now!

In its Week 42 “COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report,” the U.K. Health Security Agency admitted on page 23 that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” It goes on to explain that this antibody drop is basically permanent.

What’s this mean?
We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).

What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

In the long term, people who take the vaccine will be far more vulnerable to any mutations in the spike protein that might come along, even if they have already been infected and recovered once, or more than once.

The unvaccinated, meanwhile, will procure lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being infected with it naturally even just once.

Read it for yourself.. Page 24.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

[royamcr]

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...eveloping-imm/

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

I ask a five word question, and I'm babbling? You mention a supposéd report and you go on about a "soar-throad", but I'm babbling.


I thought the red was the most important part of your post. I guess you didn't.

A medical examiner is a physician.

Are determinations just opinions? Or medical facts? Are

You're just being silly Eccieuser. "Is determination always an opinion?" Of course not. A determination is, however, an opinion when it conflicts with Lexus Lover's prejudices.

[bambino]

https://t.me/sharirayepatriots/21052

WOW!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by royamcr

All deaths can be attributed to Trump, none to Biden.

In comparison this is how I look at it. What if a national disaster like a nuclear accident or heck a limited nuke war happened when trump (or any president) was in office. A disaster like this could take lives for several years past due to exposure. So is the next president responsible for deaths from the previous disaster? Nope, it happened on the watch of the president during their time in office.

People are still dying from exposure at the 9/11 site. Those Obama's fault? Trump's fault? Nope, Bush is still killing people from his mistakes.

I don't buy that. A lot of what happened would have happened regardless of who was president. The virus, the mutations, the actions of the CDC and FDA, state and local health departments, state and local governments, and the willingness of the populace to take measures to prevent the spread of the disease -- all were largely beyond the purview of the president.

The Trump administration did a good job with Operation Warp Speed. That saved a lot of lives, by getting jabs into peoples' arms quickly, at least those who were willing to get the jabs. Trump fell down in the way he used the bully pulpit. He didn't encourage people to wear masks and social distance and even held superspreader events.

As to the Biden administration, it doesn't appear to have done anything related to COVID exceptionally poorly or exceptionally well. I would fault them for not helping roll out more tests. It's crazy that Europeans are paying a few dollars or less per test and they're available everywhere, while people here in many places are waiting in hours long lines to get tested.

This might give a quantitative indication. It provides per capita COVID deaths by country, shortly after Trump left office, as of January 30, 2021:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210201...o/coronavirus/

The USA was 10th in the world in terms of COVID deaths per capita. Not an enviable position, but we were better off than than some highly developed countries, like Italy, the United Kingdom and Belgium.

By December 30, 2021, we were in 21st place, seemingly better off. But we now have the highest deaths per capita of any highly-developed country, surpassing Belgium, Italy and the UK:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You could look at measures of how economies and peoples' lives and government debt were affected by country too.

It is what it is and we are where we are. I don't think it makes sense blaming it on Trump. Or Biden.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The USA was 10th in the world in terms of COVID deaths per capita.

Is that based on your "science" degree expertise?

You and yours keep regurgitating stats published by Bittens bullshit agencies to justify another round of shutting down, requiring more shots, and isolation to facilitate voter fraud ... AGAIN!

There has been ZERO verfication of the cause of death or even the presence of Covid in any deaths.

And that includes the bodies stacked in refrigerator trucks in New York as their governor was hiding evidence to protect his political dependence, which his brother, Mr. Media, supported while they both sexually harassed women.

The DumboCrats want to investigate faked insurrection and fabricated Russian collusion FIRST!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

There has been ZERO verfication of the cause of death or even the presence of Covid in any deaths.

You still haven't explained why 503,000 more people died, of all causes, in 2020 than 2019. Since you won't click on any links that conflict with your prejudices, purportedly because they contain viruses, I'll break this down for you, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2778234

Total Deaths in USA, by year, from all causes:

2017 2,813,503
2018 2,839,205
2019 2,854,838
2020 3,358,814

Total Deaths in USA attributed to COVID by CDC, by year:

2017 0
2018 0
2019 0
2020 345,323

And I'll do the math for you. While I don't know a lot about viruses and the like, I'm very good at subtraction.

2020 total deaths - 2019 total deaths = 3,358,814 - 2,854,838 = 503,976 additional deaths

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You and yours keep regurgitating stats published by Bittens bullshit agencies to justify another round of shutting down, requiring more shots, and isolation to facilitate voter fraud ... AGAIN!

The federal government should not enforce shut downs, more shots, or isolation in the private sector. Most of the population has some immunity from COVID through vaccination and/or previous infection. We should be OK for the most part going forward, especially those who exercise good judgement by getting the vaccine, and by wearing N95 and KN95 masks and social distancing when appropriate.

And why do you keep calling Democrats DumbOCrats? I don't understand. You're a self professed Democrat.