How many people will die in the USA from the new coronavirus by December 31, 2021??

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

When one receives supplemental income and tax break/credits for reporting certain "facts" based on the number of "facts" reported, then there is a motivation to "over" report the "facts" particularly when the reporting party has control of the documentation to substantiate the "facts" reported.

There is a distinctive scientific/medical difference between dying OF Covid (or any disease/illness) and dying while having been tested "positive" for Covid (or any disease/illness).

Now ... one of the physician-scientist-experts posting on Eccie .. please list the physical parts of the body that Covid attacks to result in the death of any given person. Thank you!

That academic exercise is similar to the medical examiner rendering an opinion as to "the manner" of death as opposed to a physician rendering an opinon as to "the cause" of death. There is a distinction with a difference. A critical difference.

Is determination always an opinion?

[winn dixie]

Survival of the fittest!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

When one receives supplemental income and tax break/credits for reporting certain "facts" based on the number of "facts" reported, then there is a motivation to "over" report the "facts" particularly when the reporting party has control of the documentation to substantiate the "facts" reported.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Now ... one of the physician-scientist-experts posting on Eccie .. please list the physical parts of the body that Covid attacks to result in the death of any given person. Thank you!

Now ... one of the lawyer-experts posting on Eccie...please describe the difference between motive and proof. If there were 10,000 people who wanted to kill JFK, can a good prosecutor pin his death on any one of them?

So MAYBE the hospitals and doctors have some financial incentive to pin COVID to unrelated deaths. Maybe they have a motive. Regardless, that doesn't mean they did it.

I have a degree in science and spent much of my career in a science-related profession, so I'll make a stab at answering your question. In the short term, COVID, the disease, leads to death by attacking the respiratory and circulatory systems. In the longer term COVID, the disease, may lead to death by damaging the kidney, liver and brain, among other organs.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

There is a distinctive scientific/medical difference between dying OF Covid (or any disease/illness) and dying while having been tested "positive" for Covid (or any disease/illness).

That academic exercise is similar to the medical examiner rendering an opinion as to "the manner" of death as opposed to a physician rendering an opinon as to "the cause" of death. There is a distinction with a difference. A critical difference.

Another completely different topic:

"Omicron" .... the CommunistSocialistDNC newly created "PANDEMIC" to justify controlled elections.

I heard a report just the other day that a person died of it in Houston! Died of "Omicron"!!!!

That will be a "scientifc-medical" historical event .... someone died of a sore-throad.

You've convinced me. All those people whose deaths were attributed to COVID didn't die of COVID. And for that matter every last one of the people whose deaths were attributed to cancer, accidents, homicides, whatever, not a one died from any of those causes. Every last one of them died of cardiac arrest. They died when their hearts stopped beating. The physical trainers out there encouraging you to exercise and stop smoking are just taking your money. Same with the vegetable and fruit producers. It's all baloney. Eventually you're going to die of cardiac arrest and there's not a thing you can do about it.

Not one person here has taken me up on my challenge of explaining why there were 503,000 more deaths in the USA during 2020 than 2019, if COVID's a sham. "Hospitals make more money if somebody dies of COVID" is not an explanation. I can think of one good reason that could explain 40,000 or 50,000 deaths out of the 503,000, and two not-very-good ones, besides COVID, that could explain the rest. The fact that no COVID denier has offered an explanation is curious.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

I'm going to start a rumor that you're Anthony Fauci in real life.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Now ... one of the lawyer-experts posting on Eccie...please describe the difference between motive and proof. If there were 10,000 people who wanted to kill JFK, can a good prosecutor pin his death on any one of them?

So MAYBE the hospitals and doctors have some financial incentive to pin COVID to unrelated deaths. Maybe they have a motive. Regardless, that doesn't mean they did it.

I have a degree in science and spent much of my career in a science-related profession, so I'll make a stab at answering your question. In the short term, COVID, the disease, leads to death by attacking the respiratory and circulatory systems. In the longer term COVID, the disease, may lead to death by damaging the kidney, liver and brain, among other organs.

You've convinced me. All those people whose deaths were attributed to COVID didn't die of COVID. And for that matter every last one of the people whose deaths were attributed to cancer, accidents, homicides, whatever, not a one died from any of those causes. Every last one of them died of cardiac arrest. They died when their hearts stopped beating. The physical trainers out there encouraging you to exercise and stop smoking are just taking your money. Same with the vegetable and fruit producers. It's all baloney. Eventually you're going to die of cardiac arrest and there's not a thing you can do about it.

Not one person here has taken me up on my challenge of explaining why there were 503,000 more deaths in the USA during 2020 than 2019, if COVID's a sham. "Hospitals make more money if somebody dies of COVID" is not an explanation. I can think of one good reason that could explain 40,000 or 50,000 deaths out of the 503,000, and two not-very-good ones, besides COVID, that could explain the rest. The fact that no COVID denier has offered an explanation is curious.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Come on Dilbert. You can do better. How about showing some of the brilliance that you used to come up with probably the most accurate prediction in this thread -- 90 million infected by 12/31/2021.

Why did 503,000 more people die in 2020 than 2019?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Is determination always an opinion?

What are you babbling about?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Come on Dilbert. You can do better. How about showing some of the brilliance that you used to come up with probably the most accurate prediction in this thread -- 90 million infected by 12/31/2021.

Why did 503,000 more people die in 2020 than 2019?

oh I didn't know we were counting 2019...

its likely the virus was percolating a low levels for 5 months before it blew up in December 2019 in Wuhan, china. you know it does take some time for a virus to ramp and make itself known to the general population. black plague it aint.

I'm making an assumption that it first appeared in late august 2019 based on available reports that came out of china. I do think it was already in the USA by October 2019. it just hadn't blown up yet until in February 2020.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I have a degree in science ....

Not one person here has taken me up on my challenge of explaining why there were 503,000 more deaths in the USA during 2020 than 2019, if COVID's a sham.

Did anyone say "Covid's a sham"?

I won't bother to ask in what specialty was your "science" degree, because according to Fauci, aka Faki, he "IS SCIENCE"!

Is your degree in Fauci?

Do you know how the "Covid" cell was generated and for what research project the cell was developed and manipulated?

Back to your convoluted distortion of what I posted. Example: There have been more than one person admitted for lethal gunshot wounds (for instance to the chest) and AFTER THEY WERE ADMITTED they "tested positive" for Covid. When they died their stats were carried as a death from Covid. (The attending physician at the hospital provides that "cause" for the death certificate to get funding.

Your science degree probably doesn't assist you in being familiar with any history of filling in the blanks of a death certificate and particularly attending autopsies to determine cause AND manner of death, no did it.

Let's exercise your science expertise: Why do young people (pre-schoolers and probably through the 6th grade have an extremely low death rate and/or dibilitating physical condition (if any condition) from Covid as compared to people in their late 60's and into the 70's and above?

We can discuss those who've already had Covid and those with NATURAL IMMUNITY later.

Then we can discuss the death stat BASED ON THE DEFECTIVE REPORTING we've earlier discussed.

FYI: That rate of the U.S. LEGAL population is around 0.2%! Not two percent. Two-tenths of a percent!

If one were to cull out the bogus findings of a "Covid" death it would be substantually less and that's based on hospitals receiving extra money from the government to the tune of aroud $50,000 for EACH "COVID" death. So why don't they cook the books. During Trump's administration who was going to challenge the deaths .... Now during Bitten/Kumola they want the deaths to be high, because they claim it's Trump's fault ... now they are blaming the states for not going their job on curbing Covid. That's not "science" junior ... that's politics.

As for your "science" expertise does it surprise you that ONE SHOT doesn't work? We need 3 and possibly 4 with one each year for the rest of our lives so says Mr. "I am Science"! Do you know when the major pharma conglomerates started focusing on a "leakage" from the lab in China? Or does your degree in A science facilitate you in that critical information.

Don't be shocked if the LUNATIC-DumboCrats stick a VOTING REQUIREMENT of a test or vaccination for Covid! The SHEEP get to vote.

[NoirMan]

Wheres your proof of hospitals and docs getting extra money.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Did anyone say "Covid's a sham"?

I won't bother to ask in what specialty was your "science" degree, because according to Fauci, aka Faki, he "IS SCIENCE"!

Is your degree in Fauci?

Do you know how the "Covid" cell was generated and for what research project the cell was developed and manipulated?

Back to your convoluted distortion of what I posted. Example: There have been more than one person admitted for lethal gunshot wounds (for instance to the chest) and AFTER THEY WERE ADMITTED they "tested positive" for Covid. When they died their stats were carried as a death from Covid. (The attending physician at the hospital provides that "cause" for the death certificate to get funding.

Your science degree probably doesn't assist you in being familiar with any history of filling in the blanks of a death certificate and particularly attending autopsies to determine cause AND manner of death, no did it.

Let's exercise your science expertise: Why do young people (pre-schoolers and probably through the 6th grade have an extremely low death rate and/or dibilitating physical condition (if any condition) from Covid as compared to people in their late 60's and into the 70's and above?

We can discuss those who've already had Covid and those with NATURAL IMMUNITY later.

Then we can discuss the death stat BASED ON THE DEFECTIVE REPORTING we've earlier discussed.

FYI: That rate of the U.S. LEGAL population is around 0.2%! Not two percent. Two-tenths of a percent!

If one were to cull out the bogus findings of a "Covid" death it would be substantually less and that's based on hospitals receiving extra money from the government to the tune of aroud $50,000 for EACH "COVID" death. So why don't they cook the books. During Trump's administration who was going to challenge the deaths .... Now during Bitten/Kumola they want the deaths to be high, because they claim it's Trump's fault ... now they are blaming the states for not going their job on curbing Covid. That's not "science" junior ... that's politics.

As for your "science" expertise does it surprise you that ONE SHOT doesn't work? We need 3 and possibly 4 with one each year for the rest of our lives so says Mr. "I am Science"! Do you know when the major pharma conglomerates started focusing on a "leakage" from the lab in China? Or does your degree in A science facilitate you in that critical information.

Don't be shocked if the LUNATIC-DumboCrats stick a VOTING REQUIREMENT of a test or vaccination for Covid! The SHEEP get to vote.

You haven’t explained why 503,000 more people died from all causes in 2020 than 2019, while the CDC only attributed 346,000 deaths in 2020 to COVID. The CDC gets its numbers from the counties and states which in turn get their numbers from the doctors and hospitals who are allegedly gaming the system by calling homicides COVID deaths.

You said you wanted a physician, scientist or expert to comment. But really my background doesn’t matter. You just need to be able to subtract (deaths in 2020 minus deaths in 2019). And I’m pretty good at subtraction.

[Chung Tran]

The Qanon Right doesn't need to explain. Stop boring them with data and facts.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Like the election of 2020, we're never really going to know. Many people died of other causes but were found to have Covid. Covid with a death rate among normal people of less than 1%. Still, Covid was put down on the death certificate as a contributing factor. Like the guy who fell off a house and died. Turned out he had Covid but was asymptomatic. The die hards say that he probably fell because he was feeling bad.

The official death cause is audited verified and record changed if needed.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The official death cause is audited verified and record changed if needed.

is that before or after they get their covid death stipend?

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

As for the OP, we don't know the answer just yet but it will be larger than the number of people in 2020. Amazing! With all the vaccines, therapeutics, and mandates Biden lost more people than Trump did. I wonder what Biden feels about people who lose 200,000 or more American lives on their watch?

Easy, blame it on trump. What more could Biden do to prevent deaths? Trump said people have their freedoms. Freedoms to die I suppose. Most likely those with their freedoms took a few down with them. Will never know who.

All deaths can be attributed to Trump, none to Biden.

In comparison this is how I look at it. What if a national disaster like a nuclear accident or heck a limited nuke war happened when trump (or any president) was in office. A disaster like this could take lives for several years past due to exposure. So is the next president responsible for deaths from the previous disaster? Nope, it happened on the watch of the president during their time in office.

People are still dying from exposure at the 9/11 site. Those Obama's fault? Trump's fault? Nope, Bush is still killing people from his mistakes.