The "Race Factor" from a Provider's perspective

[John Peace]

Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

It's funny. You hear about all the bs in this hobby. I always wonder why it's just some girls getting the nasty emails, why some ladies are always getting smelly guys...etc. Why is it half of the things I've heard of in this hobby I have never had to put up with it - nope not once AND I have been in this business on and off for 3 years. No ONE has told me "Zarah, you need to lower your rate...". I have had ONE hate mail in 3 years. I have never had a bad client, no NCNS , no life threatening bad experiences. Why? It's all in the marketing. I guess I market myself to where those douchebags see my ads and say "No not her". I am very firm in all I do and say. I have been told that I am even intimidating. Sure some dislike me because of it, but I have more lovers than anything.

Always be firm. Always stand your ground and most importantly, Change the way you market yourself and your will see a big BIG change no matter what your race is! If you are an attractive lady, the sky is the limit in this business.

You were just raised well and have a good head on your shoulders. Implement that in to your marketing and the way you do business and it's an easy recipe for success.

Also reviews, all you need is a few up there that show some men are willing to pay your high rate AND you delivered the goods well. That sends a message to a lot of men who are looking to bargain, low-ball, etc.. Us men, we know what time it is when we're driving a Chevy Impala and another guy has a late model Range Rover. You should read a "HDH" review and look at the responses.

"Wow man, you had a good time but that's out my range"

"Man..I'd love to get with her she's juts out of my budget"

"To each his own, glad you have the money to spend it"

Men are better able to recognize the writing on the wall when our fellow man has set the precedent and validated it.

[Lovelyelle_01]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

So why isn't this NBA-like discussion being treated the same way as a client has to take it.

If a client is told no black allowed she has already established that no amount of money would make her partial to seeing that race. With the common reason to use as it being her preference......then promptly excused.

But when a potential client has "a preference" for his selection of black women to be offered at a cheaper rate its not just his preference....he gets no sympathy......he's just being a dick, similar to you being down bad for being NBA. Seems like both situations go hand in hand. Besides its his preference. Why can't you ladies respect his stance on wanting his ebony providers for a lower rate stucture than you white counterparts.


I bet its mostly whites that type that stuff to you......better change to non NBA....things could be better.

I'm sorry, but your last suggestion confused me. Nowhere on my website or ANY of my profiles do I mention that I have an NBA policy... Besides, who said things were bad? I'm simply voicing my concerns and hoping to get a little clarity in the subject.

I can respect ANY stance that has validity. But, having an NBA policy and telling a Provider that she's too pricey because of her race DO NOT go hand I'm hand. If a man prefers that the AA Providers he sees to be in a lower prove range, that's what he should LOOK FOR. There is absolutely no justification for reaching out to tell me that I'm too pricey. Simply find.someone who ISN'T out of your price range and keep it moving. I'm sure that the few rude comments I got did come from white males. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's hard to tell races behind handles and ESPECIALLY in places where they allow the use of aliases.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by John Peace

You were just raised well and have a good head on your shoulders. Implement that in to your marketing and the way you do business and it's an easy recipe for success.

Also reviews, all you need is a few up there that show some men are willing to pay your high rate AND you delivered the goods well. That sends a message to a lot of men who are looking to bargain, low-ball, etc.. Us men, we know what time it is when we're driving a Chevy Impala and another guy has a late model Range Rover. You should read a "HDH" review and look at the responses.

"Wow man, you had a good time but that's out my range"

"Man..I'd love to get with her she's juts out of my budget"

"To each his own, glad you have the money to spend it"

Men are better able to recognize the writing on the wall when our fellow man has set the precedent and validated it.

Thank you so much for your kind words, John.
I really appreciate it. Hmmm if your location didn't say "TX", I would have thought you were a client of mine . As for the absurd comments that are made on HDH reviews - well of course. ECCIE doesn't really cater to ..... the affluent.

[Shayla]

Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

Thank you so much for your kind words, John.
I really appreciate it. Hmmm if your location didn't say "TX", I would have thought you were a client of mine . As for the absurd comments that are made on HDH reviews - well of course. ECCIE doesn't really cater to ..... the affluent.

LOL! Very diplomatic. I am just trying to imagine how "Naomi" would have worded that.

[Guest021012]

Hmm, well my dear, after looking at your showcase, (with your tight little body and bouncy round ass ) and reading some of your posts, I have decided that...Drum roooolllll: you are in Kentucky; therefore, you should expect backwards people to make backwards comments like that. You're gorgeous.

I've notices the same thing though, black chicks almost always charge less than other races; I won't pretend to understand the logic behind it. I just assumed it was the same as how a vast number of providers don't see black men. There aren't a lot of super popular black porn stars either. The industry just doesn't have a high demand for black girls; be it because of preconceived racial stereotypes, personal preference, or whatever..

One of the things you can do is market differently. Whats sexy for a white girl isn't necessarily so for a latina, aisan, or black. There are ideals out there that the majority of men draw inspiration from for their fantasies; and we are tangible fantasies. I'm just trying to be honest, personally, I like dirty, naughty, filthy minded girls. I also know that the "norm" in most mens minds for black girls is ghetto, so to counter that, you could focus more on elegance, subtle sexy instead of the in your face erotica most other races can get away with. The world is screwed up babes, it has been for as long as time existed, and is only now starting to evolve. You just have to find ways to convey that you aren't the stereotypical, Martin Lawrence Shanaynay black chick. Men like variety, but especially if they're paying upfront, they want to fulfill the urge to hook up with "XXX" type of woman. Find out what the ideal sexy black chick is for your area and play on that.

Race from my standpoint as a provider... don't have one. I live in South MS.. You can't begin to imagine how many backwoods, redneck, inbred rude, white callers I reject. As a matter of fact, the few black guys who I have met with have been exceptional gents (except once but his color had nothing to do with him being a jerk). I decide if I proceed with details after I've spoken to the person. Not from the voice (we all know we can more often than not tell if you're black on the phone) but from the language being used, his knowledge of the hobby and willingness to comply with my screening and rules. If I hear "yo lil momma" or "buhbuh's trailer" or anything of the sorts, I politely decline, hang up, and giggle a little. I've heard girls say that race is a variable because size is a concerns.. Maybe I haven't seen enough black guys to form an educated opinion, but they were no more grotesquely big than any other race. As a matter of fact, this older, skinny, little pre pubescent looking Asian man holds my personal record. I gave the man half his money back; I simply couldn't do anything with it.

Don't let it get you down about ANYTHING though, if you've got the smarts, charisma, and talent to entertain and satisfy, all you need is a little marketing scheme...I'd make a date! :insert sexually vulgar female emote: xoxo

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Shayla

LOL! Very diplomatic. I am just trying to imagine how "Naomi" would have worded that.

Hahahahaaahahahahaahaha!

[John Peace]

Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

Thank you so much for your kind words, John.
I really appreciate it. Hmmm if your location didn't say "TX", I would have thought you were a client of mine . As for the absurd comments that are made on HDH reviews - well of course. ECCIE doesn't really cater to ..... the affluent.

My location is Arkansas.

Eccie doesn't cater to the affluent (tell me which places do so I can check them out) but there are some big spenders on this board. The funny thing is, if you follow these big spenders and notice their activity you'll see that they're obviously getting in way more action than they chose to put on the reviews.

[Shayla]

Originally Posted by John Peace

My location is Arkansas.

Eccie doesn't cater to the affluent (tell me which places do so I can check them out) but there are some big spenders on this board. The funny thing is, if you follow these big spenders and notice their activity you'll see that they're obviously getting in way more action than they chose to put on the reviews.

I have to say something here. I've had 2 visitors from TEXAS that saw me here in Calgary and spent more money than the average guy does even when I'm touring. These guys are typically more under the radar, though. I can see if they have a long list of $3000+ dates in their reviews that they'd be hooker bait for sure.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by John Peace

My location is Arkansas.

Eccie doesn't cater to the affluent (tell me which places do so I can check them out) but there are some big spenders on this board. The funny thing is, if you follow these big spenders and notice their activity you'll see that they're obviously getting in way more action than they chose to put on the reviews.

Oooh I know there are big spenders here but they do not post much AT ALL!

[John Peace]

I would like that "blue" site.

Might need to get some "blue" pills in order to really get my money's worth from chicks that post there.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by John Peace

I would like that "blue" site.

Might need to get some "blue" pills in order to really get my money's worth from chicks that post there.

[Soonerman12]

The affluent men are here.. One thing though.. They aren't going to be stupid enough to expose how much they can pay. People who make good money attract a lot of attention and beggars. It really sucks to be called on a weekly basis for money from all kinds of people -- long lost friends that you knew in Junior High School, family members who you spoke to a couple of times in your entire life, friends of family members, ect..

The reason why so many athletes and entertainers go broke is because they don't know how to guard their money from people.

Business people on the other hand(with many notable exceptions) have usually learned how to guard their money -- why you don't advertise your cash, why you appear more modest, why you negotiate hard, ect.

I'd take that to heart. There is a certain young lady that I'm looking at in these forums.. I have a preset budget that would be quite surprising for her if she performs the way that I think she will. But she won't know that unless she performs in the way that I think she can.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Soonerman12

The affluent men are here.. One thing though.. They aren't going to be stupid enough to expose how much they can pay. People who make good money attract a lot of attention and beggars. It really sucks to be called on a weekly basis for money from all kinds of people -- long lost friends that you knew in Junior High School, family members who you spoke to a couple of times in your entire life, friends of family members, ect..

The reason why so many athletes and entertainers go broke is because they don't know how to guard their money from people.

Business people on the other hand(with many notable exceptions) have usually learned how to guard their money -- why you don't advertise your cash, why you appear more modest, why you negotiate hard, ect.

I'd take that to heart. There is a certain young lady that I'm looking at in these forums.. I have a preset budget that would be quite surprising for her if she performs the way that I think she will. But she won't know that unless she performs in the way that I think she can.

First of all, Sorry but your post is a bit ridiculous.
Even on other boards, no one posts how much they will pay. smh
Anyone that has been here for more than 6 months knows the type of men on this very board (it's no secret). While there are men with money like SL, they make up a very small group here on eccie. This is also more reason why you will not see a lot of higher end laides here. Again no offense. I am just speaking the truth.

On to my next point, Only a hobbyist is sees a girl thinking about a grocery list, a client does not. C

Edited the rest of my post because I plan on posting it on my blog.
Read this: http://jennydemilo.com/2010/04/client-vrs-hobbyist/

xoxo,
Zarah

[John Peace]

"Let me take my time and enter this thread and show you what I know and go out my way to put you in your place and in the process put down eccie/hookerboard men and uplift client/God's blessed men"

Low level chicks get passed around and discussed about.

High level chicks get done on the low.

When it's about the pussy I'm going to give my guys intel on the $150 hoe so they can chime in and we all be boys about the shit.

When it comes to my high priced hoe, that's my money, that shit is getting kept to myself. The more money you spend on a chick the more you respect her and your time together. Thus the less need to "fuck and tell".

I've been plotting on a $600-$1400 type of chick for the longest and believe me NONE of the shit we will do will go on these messageboards.

Soonerman was discrete in his shit also. He didn't mention a name and he's weary about whether the chick will do this or that. She's probably in the intermediary range between umm.."provider" and "companion" (since we're differentiating based on class). The chick is probably at $300/hr and coule either tip one way or the other. If she has all the stuff he likes, she tips forward to 'companion' level - his secret little thrill. If she's average, then he's going to let others know of the average expierence and let them know what they're getting into.

The term "client" relates to a 'repeated customer'.

Stop jumping in here judging people.

[Soonerman12]

Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

First of all, Sorry but your post is a bit ridiculous.
Even on other boards, no one posts how much they will pay. smh
Anyone that has been here for more than 6 months knows the type of men on this very board (it's no secret). While there are men with money like SL, they make up a very small group here on eccie. This is also more reason why you will not see a lot of higher end laides here. Again no offense. I am just speaking the truth.

On to my next point, Only a hobbyist is sees a girl thinking about a grocery list, a client does not. C

There is a big difference between a client and a hobbyist. A clients meets the girl at her room, place donation on the table, have their session and go home to their lives. A hobbyist meets the girl at her room, place the donation on the table, have their session and then go home to post about the girl he just fucked on a message board. More affluent clients do not post reviews, they do not know of boards like eccie. Some do, some don't but for the most part, they're not in a review race. Most of the guys that I book my clock-free dates do not care for message boards. They are clients not hobbyists.

If you want to know the full jist on Clients Vrs Hobbyists, Please read Jenny Demillo's post: http://jennydemilo.com/2010/04/client-vrs-hobbyist/

I prefer clients of course

Anyways, Sorry for the hijack and BACK to the OP!

xoxo,
Zarah

Zarah, you haven't been in enough negotiations with people who control money to be able to tell. I'm not saying that all guys are rich here. This board resembles the population with gentlemen in income brackets.

But.. there are affluent men here. And some of them are posters. I can think of 5 of them right now who are doing very well though they've never stated how much they make or that they are affluent. Their responses to certain issues show me that they've had experience with running a business.

This would be impossible for you to understand at this point, but there are things that you learn to read in what a person says that really tell you how a person is doing when you negotiate enough with people. I'm convinced that the only way a person develops that financial "6th sense" is through practice.

I've seen one provider with that ability to detect spending ability -- LynnT. How she got it? I don't know. But I suspect that she got it from having extensive experience with running her own business before becoming a provider.


But it's not there with you.. And it probably never will be there unless you go through enough negotations where people are trying to nickel and dime you for every penny (even when they have a lot of money to spend). In the provider world, this may not be something that you have to worry about as much as in other business environments. That's why you see so many successful girls here who are under 25.