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02-07-2013, 09:14 AM
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"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society. "
-- John Adams, Novanglus Letters, 1774
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But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 17, 1775
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
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02-07-2013, 09:33 AM
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definitely a Nicolas Cage movie.... the guy will do anything
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02-07-2013, 04:50 PM
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hahaha.... he would be a great Washington, apparently he's been around a long time
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02-07-2013, 05:12 PM
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definitely a Nicolas Cage movie.... the guy will do anything
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hahaha.... he would be a great Washington, apparently he's been around a long time
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Hah yeah really!
Here's one of Michael Cera... and Hitler's mother!
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02-07-2013, 06:03 PM
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"It is arrogant to pretend that from our vantage we can gauge accurately the intent of the Framers on the application of principle to specific, contemporary questions."
“The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs.”
Justice Brennan
"We must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.
Chief Justice John Marshall (1819)
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02-07-2013, 06:20 PM
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"It is arrogant to pretend that from our vantage we can gauge accurately the intent of the Framers on the application of principle to specific, contemporary questions."
“The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs.”
Justice Brennan
"We must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.
Chief Justice John Marshall (1819)
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Horse shit. The argument that we couldn't possibly know what the founders intended is just an excuse to ingnore the Constitution. Liberals would burn the Constitution if they could.
One thing is absolutely clear, the founders intended that the federal government be limited. The federal government has grown far beyond what the founders intended because leftist judges and politicians are intellectually dishonest. They pretend to honor their oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution with no intention of doing so.
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02-07-2013, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TexTushHog
"It is arrogant to pretend that from our vantage we can gauge accurately the intent of the Framers on the application of principle to specific, contemporary questions."
“The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs.”
Justice Brennan
"We must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.
Chief Justice John Marshall (1819)
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Chief Justice John Marshall was referring to the "amendment" process wherein the Constitution provides for "adaptation", TTH. His fellow justice, Justice Joseph Story, explains it thusly:
". . . the power of redressing . . . evil lies with the people by an exercise of the power of amendment. If they do not choose to apply the remedy, it may fairly be presumed, that the mischief is less than what would arise from a further extension of the power; or that it is the least of two evils."
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02-07-2013, 06:41 PM
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Chief Justice John Marshall was referring to the "amendment" process wherein the Constitution provides for "adaptation", TTH. His fellow justice, Justice Joseph Story, explains it thusly:
". . . the power of redressing . . . evil lies with the people by an exercise of the power of amendment. If they do not choose to apply the remedy, it may fairly be presumed, that the mischief is less than what would arise from a further extension of the power; or that it is the least of two evils."
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The amendment process is slow and difficult. Liberals prefer to just reinterpret the Constitution so that it fits their purpose. Liberals could have tried to amend the Constitution to give the federal government authority to legalize abortion. Instead they invented "the right to privacy" which no court had ever found in the Constitution before.
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02-07-2013, 06:50 PM
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Interesting quotes, TTH. Of course, Brennan was an idiot.
But Marshall, good god! Do you know nothing of Constitutional history? I believe your quote is from Marbury v Madison. You know, the case where Justice Marshall wrote the destructive doctrine of judicial review into the Constitution on his own, to cover his own ass. He struck down a law that he himself violated. It was Marshall who failed to deliver the documents in question. That hardly qualifies him as a legal scholar, or anyone whose opinion should be respected. If he had any integrity, he would have recused himself from that case. He didn't. What a waste of time he was.
And, of course, you realize that your interpretation of the Constitution, in that it means whatever we want it to mean, really means that it means nothing at all. But that's good for you, now none of your anti-liberty, statist policies are forbidden. You can turn the country into a gulag if you want, and it would be Constitutional.
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02-07-2013, 07:10 PM
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Hah yeah really!
Here's one of Michael Cera... and Hitler's mother!
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a lot of celebrity vamps out there....
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02-07-2013, 07:11 PM
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Right wingers can read minds even the dead.
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02-07-2013, 07:12 PM
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02-07-2013, 08:28 PM
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a lot of celebrity vamps out there....
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Michael Cera should've been caught in the Nuremburg trials. God I hate that guy.
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02-07-2013, 08:34 PM
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yeah.... but Hitler's mom was good in Superbad
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02-07-2013, 09:48 PM
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[QUOTE=joe bloe;1052320705]Horse shit. The argument that we couldn't possibly know what the founders intended is just an excuse to ignore the Constitution. Liberals would burn the Constitution if they could. [end quote]
Liberals have burned the constitution, and they laugh at us as stupid, ignorant children with no intellectual heft, no moral standing, and virtually no rights of our own that differ from their prescriptions for a proper life enslaved to the government.
The only hatred they nurse is for our side, our ideas, our existence. We should throw off such government as a slave would free himself from his tormenting master.
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