Serious Question

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

thier own ideological reasons and now they mislead in many ways, one of which is to try to blame bush.

This is about F&F not how Bush misled the public into thinking Saddam had something to do eith 9/11

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by timpage

A cover-up of what?

the names of the people involved in the undercover operation

the way we set up and use undercover sting operations

the overall security for future operations

classified intel information


basically, details/everything/anything that gets kept out of reach of these simpletons that want to know what went on and why.

[CuteOldGuy]

You're right, CBJ7. We had no right to know about Watergate. It was devastating to national security. And Iran Contra, we certainly didn't need to know about that.

You're right. The only things government should tell us are, "You don't need to know that," "Remember how good you have it and shut up."

We'd all better off if we trusted our government more, even if they have proven untrustworthy.

Thanks for clearing that up, CBJ7.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You're right, CBJ7. We had no right to know about Watergate. It was devastating to national security. And Iran Contra, we certainly didn't need to know about that.

You're right. The only things government should tell us are, "You don't need to know that," "Remember how good you have it and shut up."

We'd all better off if we trusted our government more, even if they have proven untrustworthy.

Thanks for clearing that up, CBJ7.

apples to sheetrock ... nonetheless, how much you want to bet more details didnt come out than did for both watergate and iran contra ...

[CJ7]

oh yea COF, have you read the healthcare bill yet?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

It’s not so much the Fast and the Furious program itself. It was a bad judgment call, but it’s not the first time an AG made a bad judgment call. It’s the cover up that is what is damning. Obama, allegedly the most “transparent” presidency in the history of the country – no world – covered up sad end to a poorly thought out program.

Watergate
Penn State
Iran/Contragate
No WMD’s
The Bay of Pigs

You forgot some:

Travelgate
Whitewater
Castle Grande
Filegate
Billing-gate.

And then there's that whole Vince Foster thing.

Oh, and Cattlegate.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the names of the people involved in the undercover operation

the way we set up and use undercover sting operations

the overall security for future operations

classified intel information


basically, details/everything/anything that gets kept out of reach of these simpletons that want to know what went on and why.

Originally Posted by timpage

A cover-up of what?

The documents are being held from Congress, not the general population, by executive order. Are you saying that we cannot trust Congress with top-secret documents? Really? If not, how do the appropriate all that money for top-secret defense systems, operations, new monies for new super-duper top secret facilities, agencies or sub-agencies and the like without peeking at top-secret, national defense documents?

The House Oversight Committee voted to hold Holder in contempt. The White House is shielding him by trying to cover up the documents that may, but then again may not, incriminate Holder.

Neither the ATF nor Holder have the most stellar reputations.

I absolutely cannot blindly defend someone that is in the wrong just because they are liberal or a conservative. They either are right or wrong. Covering up the debacle makes it seem there may be more to the story than there appears on the surface. It certainly is just one more instance of Obama’s disregard for the actual laws of the United States and influence peddling.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...8#.T-TMVFL9Ur0

[CJ7]

are you serious?


BBBBAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

The documents are being held from Congress, not the general population, by executive order. Are you saying that we cannot trust Congress with top-secret documents? Really?

Yup.

I absolutely cannot blindly defend someone that is in the wrong just because they are liberal or a conservative. They either are right or wrong. Covering up the debacle makes it seem there may be more to the story than there appears on the surface.

Unless it involves Hillary Clinton. Then you'll not only defend her, you'll even go so far as to vote for her.

[CJ7]

heres a better SERIOUS question


are the federal agents who were involved in the operation guilty of anything?

[CuteOldGuy]

CBJ7, I'll let you know after we see the documents.

And BTW, Olivia has the most intelligent post in this thread so far, except for mine, of course.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

CBJ7, I'll let you know after we see the documents.

And BTW, Olivia has the most intelligent post in this thread so far, except for mine, of course.

the agents are responsible for botching the operation are they not?

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, let's see the documents, and find out.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, let's see the documents, and find out.

who else could have lost track of the weapons they sold to the Mexicans?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

And BTW, Olivia has the most intelligent post in this thread so far, except for mine, of course.

Provided you ignore the double standard inherent in it.