A world with out guns

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I disagree totally. What I do agree with is you BELIEVE you are safer with a gun. Think you are safer in your home with a gun? It is more likely that a homeowner's gun will be used to kill an innocent person rather than used in protecting his home from a would-b criminal. But feel free to live in your delusional world.

I know that reading flat words on a screen doesn't lend itself to total understanding but you seem to have a zealousness tinged with arrogance

[CJ7]

I feel more secure with my guns being there when I'm home than the person/s do/does entering my home uninvited

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I feel more secure with my guns being there when I'm home than the person/s do/does entering my home uninvited

you have surprised me

[CJ7]

not as surprised as you'd be when that little red dot from my crimson trace came to rest on the second button below your collar

[dtymh55]

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[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by CJ7

not as surprised as you'd be when that little red dot from my crimson trace came to rest on the second button below your collar

now your returning to type...not the defending of your home..the loving obnoxiousness..lol

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

now your returning to type...not the defending of your home..the loving obnoxiousness..lol

actually, my type is a 12 ga 3" mag loaded with 4 shot for home defense... results are indeed, obnoxious

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I disagree totally. What I do agree with is you BELIEVE you are safer with a gun. Think you are safer in your home with a gun? It is more likely that a homeowner's gun will be used to kill an innocent person rather than used in protecting his home from a would-b criminal. But feel free to live in your delusional world.

You make a lot of claims without citation but this little gem has been completely discredited.

Here, http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html, maybe this will help. This "study" was fatally flawed by the two doctors who did. Biggest flaw is that they NEVER looked at the likelihood of self defense but only the actions resulting in death. They overlooked suicides that are much more likely than murders or accidental deaths.

They survey was of only one county in one state (Washington).

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

I know that reading flat words on a screen doesn't lend itself to total understanding but you seem to have a zealousness tinged with arrogance

I try to understand the laws that pertain to me and I try to understand the realities of the world in which we live. Some people tend to ignore those realities.

[CJ7]

the vast majority of gun owners will never need a gun for home defense

the vast majority of guns kept in homes will never make it outside the home to kill innocent people

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You make a lot of claims without citation but this little gem has been completely discredited.

Here, http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html, maybe this will help. This "study" was fatally flawed by the two doctors who did. Biggest flaw is that they NEVER looked at the likelihood of self defense but only the actions resulting in death. They overlooked suicides that are much more likely than murders or accidental deaths.

They survey was of only one county in one state (Washington).

This was indeed a flawed study but even the articles cited to downplay the results of the study make statements such as this:

"Based on the evidence currently available, it appears that gun ownership is associated with a net increase in the risk of death for a typical individual."

Try reading this article published in 2004 if you care to not believe the Kellerman study:

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

An extract from the article:

"Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in
the home of dying from a homicide in the home."

Or this one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/gun-violence-study_n_3924063.html

An extract from the article, which was published in September 2013"


"A new study of gun violence published by the American Journal of Public Health found that states with greater levels of gun ownership tend to have higher rates of gun-related murder."

Or this one:

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home

An extract from the article which was published in December 2012.

"Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.


And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.


If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide."


And in the article I already cited:


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/


Look, I am not trying to convince you or any others who think like you do that you should get rid of all the arms you have in your home. That is a personal choice which I support. But it would be nice if people who do own a gun for protection of their home understand that it is more likely that the gun will be used against the homeowner or his/her family than it will be in protecting the homeowner. However, if you have any articles at all to cite that support your point of view I would love to see them

[LexusLover]

Everyone in the neighborhood who have bath tubs and showers are at a higher risk of dying from a slip and fall while walking from the tub or shower on a wet, tile floor than those families who do not have tubs and showers in their homes.

That's what my study shows.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Everyone in the neighborhood who have bath tubs and showers are at a higher risk of dying from a slip and fall while walking from the tub or shower on a wet, tile floor than those families who do not have tubs and showers in their homes.

That's what my study shows.

You would probably be the resident expert on such subjects. At least you've finally found something in which you are considered to be an "expert". If ignorance is indeed bliss, you must be a very happy man.

[JD Barleycorn]

I performed my own study. I have had guns in my house for almost 40 years, my brother for almost 40 years, my father for 50 years, my uncle for 60 years, my other uncle for 60 years, my other uncle for 60 years, my sister for over 30 years. The number of guns between us is in the hundreds and no one, NO ONE has ever been injured, killed, or committed suicide by any of these guns either on purpose or accidentally. How about that survey?

If you want I can include my co-workers, friends, and other family members in the next survey.

[CJ7]

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